[Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Further updated working principles for your review

Gomes, Chuck cgomes at verisign.com
Mon Jan 20 22:25:33 UTC 2014 

Thanks Nic.  That does make more sense to me.

All - please comment on this proposed structure (outline).

Chuck

From: Nic Steinbach [mailto:nic at name.com]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:15 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Mary Wong; gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Further updated working principles for your review

Ah, I understand now. I wasn't focused on the structure and headings of the first page since we went over it on the last call. Sorry about that.

Eventually I don't think there will be two more sets of principles under the overarching. I would propose that there would only be "Overarching" and "Principles" on the final document.

At this time there has only been discussion (consensus?) on the three principle bullet points on the first page. The other principles have received some comments via email, but haven't been discussed.

I slightly re-worded the current headings to reflect this proposal and our current progress. Current document has this structure:


A.      Overarching Principle

B.      Principles

         I. Discussed Principles

         II. Additional Proposed Principles

1.)   Proposed Principles Relating to Policy
a.     Policy Standards
b.     Policy and the Community
2.)   Proposed Principles Relating to Implementation
a.     Implementation Standards
b.     Limitations of Implementation
3.)   Proposed Principles Relating to ICANN Staff
a.     ICANN Staff Involvement
b.     ICANN Staff Limitations

C.      Explanatory Notes to Principles

I think after we evaluate/incorporate/eliminate/discuss the "Additional Proposed Principles" we can consolidate and sort "Principles" based on what we end up with. I think that it will most likely be reasonable to sort principles based on categories similar to the "Additional Proposed Principles," but I don't think we should set those in stone until we get through them.

I hope that makes slightly more sense.

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
Thanks for clarifying Nic.  So, in the version you sent, does the section titled "I. General Principles" go with the Overarching Principle?

Chuck

From: Nic Steinbach [mailto:nic at name.com<mailto:nic at name.com>]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:50 PM

To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Mary Wong; gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Further updated working principles for your review

Hi Chuck,

There shouldn't be any distinction between general and additional principles. More like:

A.      Overarching Principle

B.      Additional Proposed Principles

         a.       Policy Principles

         b.      Implementation Principles

         c.       Principles relating to ICANN staff

C.      Explanatory Notes to the General Principle

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Best,

Nic

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
Thank you very much Nic.  I would like as many on the sub-team who can to respond to this before our meeting this next Thursday.  In doing so, I request that you comment in two ways:

1.       The overall structure (outline)

2.       Specific comments in the document in the comments spaces provided.
If you do not have time to do both, please comment on 1.

Regarding 1, I believe that the document as NIC revised it follows the following outline (Nic - please correct this if it is not correct.):

A.      Overarching Principle

B.      General Principles

a.       Policy Principles

b.      Implementation Principles

c.       Principles relating to ICANN staff

C.      Additional Principles

D.      Explanatory Notes to the General Principles

Chuck

From: Nic Steinbach [mailto:nic at name.com<mailto:nic at name.com>]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:13 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Mary Wong; gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Further updated working principles for your review

Hello All,

I apologize for the delay on this.

Attached is my re-organization of the additional principles. These principles have been regrouped into three major categories each with several sub categories.

I also flagged concepts that are reflected in the additional principles, but are not explicitly called out in the overarching principle. While the general spirit of many of the additional principles is reflected in the current overarching principle there are specific differences or additions that may bear additional consideration. I did my best to be objective here, but please feel free to add, delete, comment on these flagged concepts.

I didn't make any changes to either the overarching principle or the last section with notes on that principle. I attempted to port all of the comments - please let me know if you think a comment made by you or someone else in the group got lost.

I hope that this document is useful and am happy to implement modifications or additional suggestions.

Best,

Nic

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
Thank you very much Mary.

All - Note that Nic plans to provide his revision of this document several days before our next call, which will be next Thursday at the same time as today.  Please plan on reviewing, and if possible commenting, on that document prior to our call next week.

Thanks, Chuck

From: gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
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Subject: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Further updated working principles for your review

Hello everyone,

As discussed on the sub-team call earlier today, I've updated the Working Principles document to reflect: (1) the wording change to the definition of "multi stakeholder model", per Michael's input from the Definitions sub-team; (2) the reworked bullet points on the General Principles that reflect the basis of Policy and Implementation processes in ICANN's multi-stakeholder model; (3) removal of several Additional Principles that the group agreed were already incorporated into the three General Principles; and (4) a new "Section III" for the group to consider including as Explanatory Notes to the three General Principles (if needed).

Please note that I've taken the liberty of deleting earlier comments in the previous version that were dealt with by the group today, and moved some remaining comments from the Additional Principles section to the new Section III as they do not seem to encapsulate additional principles but rather expound on specific aspects of the General Principles. Where I've added language, I've highlighted that in yellow in this new version.

Should you wish to ensure that I have not inadvertently lost some comments or suggestions from the previous version, I attach that as well for your convenience.

For the benefit of those sub team members who were not able to be on the call today, Nic Steinbach has kindly offered to further review and revise this updated document framework in time for the group's next meeting on Thursday 23 January.

Thanks and cheers,
Mary


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From: <Gomes>, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:25 PM
To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, Nic Steinbach <nic at name.com<mailto:nic at name.com>>
Cc: "gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>" <gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your review

While encouraging sub-team members to comment on any items in this document, I especially want to ask all of you to do one more review of the overarching principle at the beginning.  We spent most of our call last week working on the wording of that and I would like to move past that in our call this week.  If you have any more comments or edits about the overarching principle, please communicate them before our call on Thursday if at all possible.  I would like to spend no more than 5 or 10 minutes on the overarching principle at the beginning of our call this week and move on to the other draft principles.

Chuck

From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:59 AM
To: Nic Steinbach; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your review

Dear All,

To facilitate your review, I've integrated Nic's comment into the document as well as those sent by Avri earlier this week (see attached). Please feel free to add any further comments to this version of the document.

Thanks,

Marika

From: Nic Steinbach <nic at name.com<mailto:nic at name.com>>
Date: Friday 10 January 2014 19:08
To: Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>" <gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org<mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your review

Hello All,

In the interest of kicking off an online discussion prior to next week's call, I have added a few more comments to this doc. Focused on the principles we hadn't gotten to in a meeting yet.

Have a nice weekend,

Nic

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
Thanks a lot Marika.

When you or Mary have time, I think it would be helpful if the comments that Avri sent yesterday were added to this document.  I believe they dealt with principles after the overarching principle so they did not come up in yesterday's discussions but I don't want to lose those going forward.

Chuck

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Subject: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Updated working principles for your review

Dear All,

Please find attached for your review the latest version of the working principles document as updated during our meeting yesterday. I also removed the comments that I believe were addressed as part of yesterday's conversation.

Please share any additional comments and/or edits you have with the mailing list ahead of our next meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 16 January at 21.00 UTC for 90 minutes.

Best regards,

Marika

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