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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear TPR WG Members,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The next TPR WG meeting will be</span> on<span style="color:black">
<b>Tuesday,</b></span><b> 01 February 2022 <span style="color:black">at </span>16:00<span style="color:black"> UTC</span></b><span style="color:black">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><br>
Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black">Action Items</span>:<o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">None.<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Transfer Policy Review Phase 1 - Meeting #</span>33</b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:18.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Tuesday </span>25 January<span style="color:black"> 202</span>2<span style="color:black"> at
</span>16:00<span style="color:black"> UTC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Roll Call & SOI updates (5 minutes): <o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No updates provided.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Welcome & Chair updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No updates provided.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Discussion of registrar-applied lock upon domain creation (75 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">See overview of inter-registrar transfer locks <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1q7xaJuxi50Q6TDD26H92P6wOfZ8luap1wdWOtIgkv7o/edit__;!!PtGJab4!oqMH2tRzq1QzpUEQXotg_e2NrGw03JWAf9muByzGMy82K1cuZUcgRIa1N1_jFyooADPQ7WRojA$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q7xaJuxi50Q6TDD26H92P6wOfZ8luap1wdWOtIgkv7o/edit__;!!PtGJab4!oqMH2tRzq1QzpUEQXotg_e2NrGw03JWAf9muByzGMy82K1cuZUcgRIa1N1_jFyooADPQ7WRojA$">here
[docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Previous discussions on this topic are captured in the <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1e4hwyxKTx2JFROQ0qpqm_KREHIuZqIugRlzl_gYRppQ/edit__;!!PtGJab4!oqMH2tRzq1QzpUEQXotg_e2NrGw03JWAf9muByzGMy82K1cuZUcgRIa1N1_jFyooADNbgnBHSg$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e4hwyxKTx2JFROQ0qpqm_KREHIuZqIugRlzl_gYRppQ/edit__;!!PtGJab4!oqMH2tRzq1QzpUEQXotg_e2NrGw03JWAf9muByzGMy82K1cuZUcgRIa1N1_jFyooADNbgnBHSg$">parking
lot working document [docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">60-Day Creation Lock:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Went through a lot of the locks, even those for which we aren’t responsible.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Charter questions relate to the 60-day creation date and transfer locks. Should there be changes to the current 60-day lock in the
policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Summary of previous discussions suggests that people were leaning towards some period of time in which transfers are prohibited.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Current policy has these as “MAY”.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question is do we need to make the locks consistent and do they still serve a purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The 60-day lock on creation – having a universal approach would help protect new people entering the market.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Get some clarification on charge back – is this a live issue, or a legacy?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">60-day lock is handy now if you have a fraudulent reseller.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">60-day lock is a problem for the registrants and isn’t consistently applied. Don’t see charge-backs as such a big problem.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The anti-fraud mechanisms today with credit cards are more robust than they used to be, so the risk has shifted to the credit card companies.
The fraud situation has been ameliorated.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Even if the registrar is not incurring the charge, we would like to avoid the name transferring fraudulently.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Why not make this optional for the registrar?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The individual user should have the right to choose this option.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Standardization would help many parties.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There was a reference made to domain tasting and the lock as a mitigation. Not aware of domain tasting as a problem relating to a transfer.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Also observe that claw-backs are a separate process and independent of the lock. You should be able to claw back whether it’s locked
or not.’<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At-Large submitted results of a survey and from that At-Large was not in favor of locks. Also inconsistent application is confusing
for end users.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Felt that claw-back would be part of the transfer dispute discussions the WG is undertaking later.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Is the current policy of a 60-day lock mandatory (MUST) or optional (MAY)? Answer: Current policy is “MAP” on the sponsoring
registrar. May be able to deny a request.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is NOT an ICANN requirement under the current Transfer policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The 60-day lock after creation is contractual (Registry Agreement) for SOME registries but not all.
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For example it is a contractual requirement in our Registry Agreement with ICANN, but it’s not a requirement across the board – some new gTLDs don’t have it in their RAs, but many follow that model.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This WG could recommend that the RAs could be revised to not include the mandate for a 60-day lock. Does the WG have any interest in making that recommendation.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From the TPR Parking Lot document, bottom of page 1: “Proposal for additional consideration: Include in policy a 60-day lock post creation
and post transfer but with an opt out feature (for registrants? For registrar?) -- Should there be exceptions/constraints to the opt out?”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lock after transfer and lock after creation should be handled differently. Creation lock should be made mandatory. For transfer 60
days is way too long.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How can this WG make a consistent policy across all registries when the original policy is written into the registry agreements? Problem
is that it is not written into all agreements. We can make it consistent at least with post-creation lock.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the only available option is to impose the 60-day post creation lock on all registries that don’t already have it in their agreements.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the WG were to form consensus around a creation lock, the consensus policy adopted by the GNSO Council and the Board would supersede
any provisions in the registry agreements. Where the provisions were lacking they would have to be included in amendments of the agreements.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Look at the pros and cons of the lock for security and consistency.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can we find out which registry agreements have the locks and which don’t?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All ICANN contracted parties are required to meet requirements of consensus policies.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Haven’t heard a solid security reason for why there is a lock after creation.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Creation lock is less about security and more about consistency, while the transfer lock is more about security but also consistency.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is 60-day lock the ultimate security (versus 30-days, etc.)? 60-day is more historical.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Caution to make sure we are looking at this holistically and its potential impact on other policies, such as the (Add Grace Period)
AGP Limits Policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems like we should have a lock that is as long as the grace period, which is currently 5 days.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should look for a correlation between ccTLDs and gTLDs as they are very different.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sounds like the WG is leaning towards a shorter mandatory period.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we lower the period of time but keep the mandatory lock we should provide a rational.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The lock after transfer could be just a “transferProhibited” lock, so other changes, e.g., updates, could still occur.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WG should make sure its recommendations are as nailed down as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For the Initial Report the WG could ask specific questions in a survey format to get quantitative and qualitative responses.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Instead of calling it a lock, could call it a non-transfer period.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems that we are leaning towards shortening the 60-days but keeping the requirement that a transfer not occur in the X-day (say 7 days)
period and we need to provide the rationale. We should considering the period in calendar days or hours.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is nothing that prevents any RDAP server from adding anything in response. Do you want to require the publication of a value,
or you could just do it.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">60-day Transfer Lock:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could call it a transfer window availability.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There are more security issues here.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Registrar survey responses leaning towards a shorter lock (30 days).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we have 7 days for the creation lock we could make it 7 days for the transfer, for consistency.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">First question is what the length of time should be, but the second question is whether that period of time has to be the same for all?
Or whether there are exceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is also the question of should we have a lock.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I wonder if 7 days is long enough for a dispute … maybe 30 makes more sense.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Like the ability to lift the lock upon request.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need to have the flexibility to resolve the dispute.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What if the gaining registrar is not responsive and thus does not want to place a lock due to the dispute?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It's all connected. Dispute process, fast undo, lock timing, etc. and TEAC.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But disputes can take months. Could it have it long enough for the dispute to be filed.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is 7 days enough to file a dispute?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the case of suspicious behaviour (abuse), will clientHold be sufficient? I.e. clientTransferProhibited can be removed. Update to
my idea: serverTransferProhibited is removed, replaced with clientTransferProhibited when abuse.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">TDRP is also in scope for this PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need to make a distinction between a 7-day lock and a dispute lock.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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