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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear TPR WG Members,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The next TPR WG meeting will be</span> on<span style="color:black">
<b>Tuesday,</b></span><b> 22 February 2022 <span style="color:black">at </span>16:00<span style="color:black"> UTC</span></b><span style="color:black">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><br>
Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black">Action Items</span>:<o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>ACTION ITEM: Staff will update the work plan to include time for a couple of sessions on the claw-back procedure. Staff to include a note that this issue will be revisited in the Additional Topics Working Document.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Transfer Policy Review Phase 1 - Meeting #</span>36</b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:18.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Tuesday </span>15 February<span style="color:black"> 202</span>2<span style="color:black"> at
</span>16:00<span style="color:black"> UTC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Roll Call & SOI updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Welcome & Chair updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">See #3 below re: Business Constituency comments.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Registrar-applied locks upon domain creation and domain transfer (15 minutes) --
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1RGow_TYPSESvI9DFweF3T_g7vgufg6zCwEdSsUjBfqs/edit__;!!PtGJab4!sQkbkEXuWsv1j2i8mdAbJ0-FrsfcejL9juXDiE61fkUs6GVMlkmVGwlfycuE81PRbvz7SC32Hw$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1RGow_TYPSESvI9DFweF3T_g7vgufg6zCwEdSsUjBfqs/edit__;!!PtGJab4!sQkbkEXuWsv1j2i8mdAbJ0-FrsfcejL9juXDiE61fkUs6GVMlkmVGwlfycuE81PRbvz7SC32Hw$">
Working document [docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Post-Creation Locks:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Business Constituency had a brief discussion on locks and wanted to share some feedback from brand owners in the BC: Desire to
keep the 60-day post-creation day lock; if too short could compel the brand owner to redo the UDRP. From a brand perspective was that the 60-day lock for post creation could prevent having to redo UDRP enforcement.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some discussion that create doesn’t have the same issues as post transfer, but issue raised by the brand owners that a longer period
allows more time for UDRP enforcement.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If there is evidence of fraud the registrar can always lock again.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It doesn’t prevent a brand owner from raising a UDRP, but it’s a practical issue if you have to redo it, which is a temporary obstacle.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The flip side is input from WIPO – in some instances inter-registrar transfers are rejected when they are within the 60-day lock period.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Post-Transfer Locks:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that there is no specific policy to mandate a post-transfer lock, but many registrar agreements include it.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Suggested proposal of a 10-day post transfer lock – discussion:<o:p></o:p></span>
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think we need to first discuss the claw-back procedure -- do we need to tie the transfer reversal timeframe to the lock period?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think we can still discuss it now and note that it is dependent on the claw-back procedure/timing.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Would it work for the domain to be locked for 10 days but you can dispute a transfer for 6 months? or does that not make sense?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that we could put guidelines around a transfer claw back. Not sure we can come up with a mechanism that would solve all cases.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We just need a period that is long enough for the old registrar to get contacted by the registrant and for them to investigate and
contact the new registrar so they can investigate.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">10 days seems good and matches the timing of the post-creation lock, but we still have the issue of claw backs. Should we look at
wording here that allows us to tie those together at a later time?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the PCR we recognized how closely related locks are to denial of transfers – we can have those deliberations but not make any formal
recommendations. Need to think about some guardrails for now.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could talk about claw backs over a couple of sessions and come to a general understanding of what it looks like at a high level.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level2 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could come up with some ideas around what a successful claw-back procedure looks like.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>ACTION ITEM: Staff will update the work plan to include time for a couple of sessions on the claw-back procedure. Staff to include a note that this issue will be revisited in the Additional Topics Working Document.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4. Begin discussion on NACKing (60 minutes) -- <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1L2bZnhJUY3VxyAjVCrkyVqdttOPn2EaqBARRRnEPd0Q/edit__;!!PtGJab4!sQkbkEXuWsv1j2i8mdAbJ0-FrsfcejL9juXDiE61fkUs6GVMlkmVGwlfycuE81PRbvx3xnJXDg$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1L2bZnhJUY3VxyAjVCrkyVqdttOPn2EaqBARRRnEPd0Q/edit__;!!PtGJab4!sQkbkEXuWsv1j2i8mdAbJ0-FrsfcejL9juXDiE61fkUs6GVMlkmVGwlfycuE81PRbvx3xnJXDg$">
Working document [docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>NACK:</b> A denial of a request for transfer by the Losing Registrar. (Note: this definition comes from paragraph 1.9 of the
<b><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/tdrp-2016-06-01-en"><span style="font-weight:normal">Transfer Dispute Resolution Policy</span></a></b>.) <b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Two Charter Questions (pages 3 and 4):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">h1) Are the current reasons for denying or NACK-ing a transfer sufficiently clear? Should additional reasons be considered? For instance, ICANN Contractual Compliance has observed difficulties from registrars tying transfer denials involving
domain names suspended for abusive activities to the denial instances contemplated by the Transfer Policy; or should any reasons be removed?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In considering this question, the WG may wish to consider:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo12">Should any or all of the reasons that registrars MAY NACK a transfer be changed to MUST NACK to promote consistency and reduce potential registrant confusion?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Contractual Compliance has noted that many registrars and registrants remain confused by the terminology used in I.3.9.1, “Instances when the requested change of Registrar
<b><u>MAY NOT</u></b> be denied include, but are not limited to: 3.9.1 Nonpayment for a pending or future registration period.” Does the Working Group have suggestions for clarifying this language, or does it believe it should remain as is?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">h2) Should additional guidance around cases subject to a UDRP decision be provided to ensure consistent treatment by all registrars? If so, is this something that should be considered by the RPMs PDP Working Group’s review of the UDRP,
or should it be conducted within a Transfer Policy PDP?<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">See feedback from WIPO in the discussion document.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This was part of a public comment proceeding that was open to everyone. We didn’t seek target input from them or other providers.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WIPO comments seem to be related to people not following the policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>General Discussion</u>:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NACKing could still happen after a transfer if there is evidence of fraud.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One of the questions we need to resolve is whether or not the lists and groupings are correct for when one MAY or MUST NACK. Also,
is the terminology correct?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We should rename NACK. “NACK” is “Not acknowledge”. I was always confused when I saw that working at ICANN Compliance. I think deny
is more logical (and obvious to anyone to reads the term).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The groupings seem correct but we could review the reasons within the group.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Move the NACK timing to when the TAC is requested, not when it is provided.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is easier to NACK in the pre-TAC creation time.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Of the groupings – the MUST and MAY NOT are more rigid, the MAYs are flexible.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>Discussion re: The reasons the Registrar of Record <b>MAY</b> deny a transfer request:</u>
<u><o:p></o:p></u></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We should consider (1) should it be removed; (2) should it be moved to a different section.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems that the reasons for MAY deny all belong on the list. We can confirm what’s in the policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Update the transfer contact so it is consistent with the EPDP Phase 1 recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Under current recommendations 3.7.5 & .6 could become MUST. Maybe 3.7.2 also should be a MUST, as well as 3.7.4.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Are we talking about denying the transfer, or denying the provision of the TAC? Answer: We need to be clear on this. You
never deny a transfer, but you deny a transfer request all the way up until the transfer occurs. So do we say that these are the reasons to deny a transfer request?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Two points: 1) this is the brainstorming phase of the discussion, but a poll could help with the review the of lists; 2) for consideration:
what is the specific reason why any of these need to remain as a MAY? We are trying to avoid MAYs in policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that if it is not in the MAY section, you are not allowed to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe they belong in "MAY" to indicate that the Rr has option to determine if that evidence is compelling enough to warrant denial
or not.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For the first 3 on the list it is important that the registrar has the opportunity to review and make a decision. So they should remain
in the MAY section.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>Discussion re: the reasons <span style="color:black">the Registrar of Record
<b>MUST</b> deny a transfer request: </span><o:p></o:p></u></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We should consider (1) should it be removed; (2) should it be moved to a different section.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Update 3.8.5 with the new timeline if not 60 days.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.8.5: Phase 1a and 1b – this is likely going to be untouched until we have our deliberations in Phase 1b on change of registrant (COR).
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could combine 3.8.1 and 3.8.4 (URS and UDRP proceedings). Not sure if calling them out makes it clearer. The difference could be
that a pending UDRP could be officially commenced, but for 3.8.4 it could be an intent to commence a URS. May need to clarify if combined especially where the information (informing the registrar) is coming from. The nuance has nothing to do with whether
a UDRP or URS is filed, so we could clarify, the relevancy is when the registrar is notified by the provider that there has been a UDRP has been filed. The case has to actually been filed by the provider and is ongoing.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the URS, the registry applies a lock that the registrar cannot undo. Registries apply a lock when notified of an URS action.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At that the time that section 3.8 was added to the policy, there was no mention of the registrar so that language was added (“Registrar
informed of”). Wanted to make sure that a registrar wasn’t being penalized for something they were unaware of.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For 3.8.5: Couldn’t we just remove the 60 days?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There will be an opportunity to adjust after the COR discussions for the Phase 1 Final Report.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For 3.8.2: what is a competent jurisdiction? It is one that the registrar is subject to.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems that there is agreement that these reasons belong in this MUST deny list.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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