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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear TPR WG Members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s
</span>meeting<span style="color:black">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The next TPR WG meeting will be</span> on<span style="color:black">
<b>Tuesday,</b></span><b> 29 March 2022 <span style="color:black">at </span>16:00 UTC<i><span style="color:black">.</span></i></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><br>
Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:black">Action Items</span>:<o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">None captured.<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Transfer Policy Review Phase 1 - Meeting #</span>39</b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;line-height:18.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Tuesday </span>22 March<span style="color:black"> 202</span>2<span style="color:black"> at
</span>1600<span style="color:black"> UTC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Roll Call & SOI updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Welcome & Chair updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>a. Update from Steinar Grøtterød, ALAC:</u> Distributed results of discussion in the CPWG on locks.   Based on that discussion we had a poll.  There were around 40 responses. The results showed support for a 60-day period for locks as
 well as 30 days.  Positive response to keeping the same policy for all locks.  This input should be taken as informal.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><u>Questions/Comments</u>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Noted that in the time period for the transfer locks there was equal support for 10 and 60 days, but for
 creation lock there was support for the 30-day period.  Any explanation for that result?  Answer: There was a concern about whether there was enough time for the UDRP with 10 days, so less support for that, but in general there was support for keeping the
 shorter period.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Seems like the respondents didn’t understand the locks relating to the UDRP, would more information help? 
 Also, isn’t a goal to standardize the time periods for the lock?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Could you say what the policy was supposed to be that would be the same for all registry operators? Answer:
 We thought it would be more user friendly to have the same policy.  That it should be the same number of days for creation and transfer locks.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There are more registries that would prefer not to have activities in this space.  Need a discussion as to whether
 there should be a requirement on registry operators.  This has not been decided in this WG.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Steinar: Would like to hear if 10 days is a real show stopper for the UDRP policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">60 days seems far too long and 10 days seems to have general support.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Are we asking whether 10 days from creation enough time to file a UDRP? Answer: In post-create and post-transfer
 is 10 days enough time to complete a UDRP?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Once a UDRP is notified the name is locked until settled, so the creation or transfer lock no longer applies.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Don’t think the creation or transfer locks had anything to do with the UDRP.  The lock for the UDRP on notification
 is separate.  The length of a creation lock shouldn’t have any bearing on how long it takes to complete a UDRP.  These locks should be mutually exclusive.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The brand protection services are pretty quick to file a UDRP.  Once settled, the creation lock would still apply.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This seems a non-issue… very few UDRPs filed within first 30 days as there would rarely be any usage by then, plus
 time to prepare and file.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Once the creation lock expires, the UDRP lock still applies.  If we are looking at 10 days, if a UDRP is filed in
 12 days then the name might have been transferred, in which case some of the UDRP filing would have to be updated to reflect the transfer.  This was also an issue that WIPO brought up. If a complaint is filed, but the domain is not locked in time, and transferred
 to a new Registrar, then the admin process has to reset as owner(RNH)/Registrar have changed.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Even if they were to change the registrar, another 10-day transfer lock would apply.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: If we were to standardize a post-creation or transfer lock, would this be a registry lock or a registrar
 lock? Answer: Roger’s assumption was that the lock was enforced at the registrar level.  Registries would only be brought in if there was a court case.  The post-creation and post-transfer would be the registrar handling the locking of the domain during that
 period.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: There this also an open question as to how registry lock is handled during the transfer process?  When
 is a registry lock removed or put back on?  <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think the registry lock is outside the transfer policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: While the registry lock service is out of scope, there still is an issue of when the registry lock is dealt
 with?  Seems like that point is in scope for this WG.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the registry lock doesn’t come off, then the losing registrar will deny the transfer to the gaining registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems that it would be good to have a stated policy on this – even if the statement is that the policy does not address
 this.  But think the registrars would want to know what are their obligations.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Don’t see why it needs to be treated differently than any other lock? If the domain owner who requested it in the
 first place asked for it to be removed, then it gets removed. if not, isn't the whole point of the lock to prevent a transfer?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the swimlane it is the sponsoring registrar’s responsibility to address any locks, including registry locks.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems that we’ll need another swimlane review session.  In relation to who does what and when, if we look at this
 in the swimlane in general the moment the TAC is provisioned (which is an automated step), if there are any locks that the sponsoring registrar determines would prevent the transfer they shouldn’t be provisioning the TAC, the losing/sponsor registrar should
 resolve any locks.  If all the locks are not cured there is an out to kick it back to the losing registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The registry still has to do that final check.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The locks that we are talking about are in terms of EPP statuses being set.  There really is no such thing as a “registry
 lock”, but a set of EPP statuses.  Should talk in terms of service statuses.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“5. Registry Lock: Registry Operator may offer the Registry Lock service, which is a registry service that allows
 an authorized representative from the sponsoring Registrar to request the activation or deactivation of any of the following EPP statuses: serverUpdateProhibited, serverDeleteProhibited and⁄or serverTransferProhibited.”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A registry will set these EPP statuses as part of a registry lock service in order to protect registrants.  There
 is an interaction with these registry lock statuses with the transfers that we need to understand. A registry to create a lock service that a RNH could ask for a transfer, registrar handles the client statuses that they have to cure, but the registry statuses
 stay in place.  The registry gets a transfer request, but how do they distinguish that from an attack?  The registrar of record would get a notification and then would have to notify the RNH, cure the lock, get the name transferred, and then the registry would
 reinstitute the lock.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe the Registry which offers the lock service could include in the lock removal process that the RNH should tell
 them the correct gaining registrar and the Registry only allows the transfer to that registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Don’t think we should treat registry lock as any special.  Could simplify it by looking just at the EPP status.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The window of vulnerability is the time period between when the registry lock status is removed until it is restored. 
 That’s a vulnerability for the registrant, since the TAC is at risk of getting lost or stolen.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">b. <u>Update From ICANN Org Compliance</u> re: “3.9.3 Domain name in Registrar Lock Status, unless the Registered Name Holder is provided with the reasonable opportunity and ability to unlock the domain name prior to the Transfer Request.”
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo14"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Compliance invokes 3.9.3 when the domain has an internal lock applied.  Example is an internal lock for additional
 security.  The registrant had to follow some steps to request for the lock to be disabled.  Generally, the registrar can’t deny a transfer if an internal lock has been applied without giving an opportunity for the registrant to request that the internal lock
 is removed.  Helpful if the policy could provide clarification on what is “reasonable.”<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Begin discussion on bulk use cases (60 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Related charter question: <b><i>“b5) Should the ability for registrants to request AuthInfo Codes in bulk be streamlined and codified? If so, should additional security measures be considered?”
</i>See <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O9PAnxWFUuPofLQCWIQXz8lT7KEj1HgH3b_obh0AK00/edit?usp=sharing">
AuthInfo Codes Working Document</a>, page 9.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Theo Geurts:  In the Netherlands, if you want to transfer your portfolio from one registrar to another, you provide
 the names to the gaining registrar, the registry contacts the losing registrar to get the necessary verifications, then the registry moves the database.  Pretty easy and cost effective.  Dutch registry charges 50 Euro for a database switch.  Current bulk transfers
 are overly complex.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For a lot of TLDs it’s even easier as the transfer is instant.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Would like to see an additional security level and claw back because of the number of domains.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think we should be aware that this already happens in the gTLD space.  As long as there can be a transfer that doesn’t
 go against the transfer policy, those transfers can happen.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We are talking about large-scale transfers outside of BTAPPA.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overall the bulk transfer process should be similar to the single-domain transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Have we talked about the contact information – how would that be handled for bulk transfers?  Couldn’t
 find recommendations on contact information in the AuthInfo Code working document.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don’t think that contact info is needed… because the gaining registrar literally has to know the registrant.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think that the BTAPPA is a fast-track registry service.  There is pre-approved boilerplate language, so we would
 have to make sure that our recommendations don’t interfere with things that already exist.   Also, not clear in the charter question what “bulk” means, but it is defined in the BTAPPA process.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think we are going to discuss what “bulk” is.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So areas that could be different are (1) how the TAC is obtained, (2) if the notice of TAC provision needs to be
 sent once or multiple times, (3) if multiple domains + TACs can be submitted in one order to the registry (does it matter?) (4) how is it verified that they should all go together, (5) does the contact info all have to be the same pre-transfer, (6) does the
 contact info all have to be the same post-transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need to think also about whether a year is added to the extension.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo15"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need to separate this out from BTAPPA.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">4. AOB (5 minutes) <o:p></o:p></p>
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