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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Farzi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For context, Mike had raised via
</span><span lang="EN-US">email </span><span style="color:black;background:rgb(252,252,252)">(please see </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/2022-May/000449.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,82,204);background:rgb(252,252,252)">here</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);background:rgb(252,252,252)">)
</span><span lang="EN-US">that the</span><span lang="EN-US"> IPC was uncomfortable with the phrasing “violation of the Registration Agreement,” as it believes this to be too broad and could
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Evidence of fraud or material violation of the Registration Agreement (emphasis added); (note: this textual addition was suggested by the RrSG) OR<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Evidence of fraud or violation of registrar’s domain use or anti-abuse policies (emphasis added) (note: this textual addition was suggested by an ICANN org colleague, and seemed to receive
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It may be helpful to review the relevant meeting transcripts for additional context. Please refer to the relevant links here:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">17 May 2022: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2022-05-17+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2022-05-17+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">24 May 2022: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2022-05-24+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2022-05-24+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Julie, Berry, Caitlin, and Emily<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">GNSO-TPR <<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 19:11<br>
<b>To: </b>Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [GNSO-TPR] Proposed agenda for meeting #47 on Tuesday 17 May 2022 at 16:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 can you please specify exactly how it will change the current language that we agreed on (Owen suggested language). That is what NCSG was informed about and I need to follow up with them if we are making changes to that language. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, unfortunately I have been unable to make the last few calls due to litigation matters.  I should make it next week and certainly to the F2F in Den Haag.
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 to wait five days if the matter was urgent and a registrar had that kind of time latitude.  We’d strongly prefer a 1-2 calendar day maximum.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 2:10 PM Caitlin Tubergen <<a href="mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org" target="_blank">caitlin.tubergen@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Dear Working Group members,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Please find below the proposed agenda for the next meeting scheduled to take place on Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 16:00 UTC. </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Transfer Policy Review Phase 1 - Meeting #47</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">17 May 2022</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Roll Call & SOI updates<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Welcome and Chair Updates<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Return to items in the preliminary recommendations flagged for further discussion during last week’s call (see
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1clAqB1wBeOf9ZC5RMMxKrrUTs3N2WyaVYTIyVy_ODs4/edit__;!!PtGJab4!9wu0H42W3_Sb5igHR0R3To6sU5OszNBkQtMDkbuGHN8sof-0JGgmKCOdoeJH7sSosegNNDV6gPm0b9GtD3kDi4z-24fSmwTk6Q$" target="_blank">
here [docs.google.com]</a>) <u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<span lang="EN-US">Recommendation 7<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Recommendation 9.2<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Recommendation 13.1<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Recommendation 13.2<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<span lang="EN-US">Discussion of Recommendation 19 email thread (please see <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-tpr/2022-May/000449.html" target="_blank">
here</a>)<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">Begin review of items flagged in <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1s9xumJ1XBPdTb7kQmc5sAC2AkszvfAF0freMvnx6G18/edit__;!!PtGJab4!9wu0H42W3_Sb5igHR0R3To6sU5OszNBkQtMDkbuGHN8sof-0JGgmKCOdoeJH7sSosegNNDV6gPm0b9GtD3kDi4z-24fyJMbErg$" target="_blank">
Proposed Revisions from Working Group members [docs.google.com]</a> document (if any)<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span lang="EN-US">AOB <u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<span lang="EN-US">Next call: Tuesday </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">24 May</span><span lang="EN-US"> 202</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">2</span><span lang="EN-US"> at </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">16:00</span><span lang="EN-US"> UTC<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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