<div dir="ltr">The IPC also is interested in the issue of transfer fees. I do not know the history of discussion of that issue, but think it should be in scope of the TPR.<div><br></div><div>I also agree that policy decisions should never be made during WG calls, and only after presentation for discussion on the list. I believe that is consistent with the PDP Manual and generally how this WG has been conducted at least until recently.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span><br><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt" align="left"><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><colgroup><col width="203"><col width="86"><col width="335"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:20.25pt"><td rowspan="4" style="border-right:0.75pt solid rgb(0,133,61);vertical-align:middle;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:center;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:159px;height:95px"><img alt="Logo" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/S_Oxvn9Vep0rF8IVyiOnDwA4LymtHrWirggIxlsU26JihhEYDv5A5D03ZY0k_npND2t8xfiWCdTM5NTO_LSZMksjO_UlJm5IAP3FEi5cw96AwIPgVzvoOfHIux_qNA26n5UuxvQZ" width="159" height="95" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></p></td><td colspan="2" style="border-left:0.75pt solid rgb(0,133,61);vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:18pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">address:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">548 Market Street, Box 55819</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">San Francisco, CA 94104</span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">email:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a></span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:24pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">phone:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">+1 (415) 738-8087</span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 4:28 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks Emily. So they decided not to do any work because we didn’t even address these two issues. The issue of sanctions, I understand it might be out of mandate but the transfer fee is something ALAC and NCSG brought up and it should have been addressed by this group, even if it was dismissing it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I also think other than ICANN compliance, those at ICANN involved with registrants rights and responsibilities should have been involved with this group. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am going to raise this with the GNSO later but we keep doing policy work during meetings. Some of us don’t do policy at ICANN as our day job. We have other commitments. Notes are great but we still miss the boat if we can’t attend the meetings. I would like to see a more hybrid approach where we can actually make policy through written conversations on mailing lists so that we get to reply. This is very important especially for the registrants rights and bringing more diverse points of views. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 6:34 AM Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The working group circled back to these two items during yesterday’s working group meeting. Meeting notes and recording are available
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2022-06-07+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call" target="_blank">
here</a>. On the <a href="https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/4v47jJJKGtv79CIQjgWTQZ4MGVdRwAq7d_6O-w_N-nQvaz-4p5Uz9hWmTtVIQIRPOB0WsQuYbHDOYIwL.9DBlazbZb2yt08n1" target="_blank">
Zoom recording</a>, they are discussed beginning at minute 5:00. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As detailed in the notes and recording, at this time, the working group has not reached any agreement to pursue additional work on these topics and questions remain about whether they
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Caitlin, Julie, Berry, and Emily<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="en-BE" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">GNSO-TPR <<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 14:17<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-tpr@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-tpr@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GNSO-TPR] A few issues<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I was wondering if we addressed the following issues at some point as I don't see them in the preliminary recommendations:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1. Sanctions: there have been instances of registrars or registries finding out that the domain name registrant is located or is providing services to ordinary residents of sanctioned countries.
In some cases they have been able to transfer smoothly. But in others the notice to transfer was too short and it amounted to confiscation of a domain name. sometimes the registrars change jurisdiction and suddenly stop serving domain name registrants in sanctioned
countries which is over compliance with the sanctions anyway. But they do that on regular basis. Up to this point ICANN has allowed this to happen since this is within the remit of internal governance of registries and registrars. Can we discuss this issue
a little bit more? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2. Fees: I can't find anything in our recommendations about excessive transfer fees. Fee setting by ICANN creates complications but can we mention that non-malicious transfer should be free
or transfer fee should be reasonably priced?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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