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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear TPR WG members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">The next meeting will be Tuesday, 26 July at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Action Items: </b><b>WG members to consider the best way to frame the discussion of the CoR policy and review the Cor Foundation Brainstorm document at: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit</a>.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Notes:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Transfer Policy Review Phase 1(b) - Meeting #54<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Proposed Agenda<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>19 July 2022<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1. Roll Call & SOI updates<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2. Welcome and Chair Updates<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Phase 1A created several new mechanisms that apply to the CoR concepts as well in a positive way. WG should take note of those things, such as the 5-day window to provide the TAC.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">While it is Phase 2, everyone can assume we will create a more robust dispute mechanism not just for change of registrar, but could also be for CoR.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">As a reminder, PC closes 2 August. 4 submissions thus far.
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/initial-report-on-the-transfer-policy-review-21-06-2022/submissions?page=1&sort-direction=newest">
https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/initial-report-on-the-transfer-policy-review-21-06-2022/submissions?page=1&sort-direction=newest</a>. We have three meetings before we take a break and then staff write up the public comment summary.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Re: Mike Rodenbaugh sent an email last week Tuesday about the 60-day lock being optional and since it’s optional why do we need recommendations – any comments?<o:p></o:p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">From Mike: “I want to get clear on the effect of this proposed change. This 60-day lock is optional now. We are talking about removing that optional lock from the IRTP, and it seems we are getting to
consensus to remove it. I suppose that removing it from the Policy is not the same as prohibiting registrars from imposing such a lock anyway via their TOS. So, are we also talking about prohibiting registrars from imposing any such lock upon Change of Registrant?
Otherwise, I guess I do not see the point of removing it from the Policy. Maybe I am just missing something here...”<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6"><u>Discussion</u>:<o:p></o:p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">If you can opt out of it, what reason would there be to have a 30-day lock as a default?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">Makes sense to remove it entirely. Registrars could still choose to do that and registrants could pick registrars accordingly.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">Not a comment to Mike's email, but CoR was something that guarded against parties that had made a malicious registration from rotating the registrant of record frequently as a means of evasion - but this
was more of a thing when more of the whois information was public.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">+1 Jothan, and with a 30 day lock on transfers, it would remain at that registrar.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">Good thing to think about, whether it even belongs or not.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level3 lfo6">Does the lock even need to exist for the CoR?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6"><u>Locks from Phase</u> 1a – transfer can’t occur 30 days from registration or transfer. It is a delay, not a lock per se. If you have a case where a name has changed to another registrant a lock would
prevent moves to another registrar, but not a registrant within a registrar. We may need to diagram the different scenarios.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">We don’t have any numbers so it’s not clear how much a problem are domain name hijacks.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">Still a large impact (hijacks) even if there aren’t many of them.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">The current Registrar of Record on a given domain name is the party with the highest ability to resolve matters related to that domain name. Change of Registrant, as long as the name remains at the most
recent gaining registrar, does not introduce additional challenge to transfer related matters.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">If we remove the locks it can be gamed and it is a little bit more risky.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">The majority of CoRs are legitimate, but there can be a big impact from a few illegitimate changes.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">We already have some security mechanisms, particularly from Phase 1a.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">How to evaluate the impact from illegitimate CoRs: even if it is an intra-registrar transfer the rules should be the same – have the same locks.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">GDPR (and subsequent Privacy Regulation) - and the affectation on the amount of redaction it caused to RDAP/WHOIS - have lowered the impact of Change of Registrant (CoR) related matters, because the majority
of the information has become redacted or otherwise is not displayed publicly.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">When providing a service to the registrant, you want some type of lock to mitigate hijacking. If you are going to have a lock in both cases, maybe 30 days is too long, or maybe not. It’s about providing
a good service and keeping things the same.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">I don’t think I agree that the transfers are similar enough to require the same locks for both...I like consistency (lock periods should be uniform) but I think updating owner data is different enough
from changing Rrs that they're not the same thing.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">It is not just about Registrar Hopping and domain theft, but preventing fraud on the Internet. If a registrant is doing something bad, the registrar knows that. If the registrar prevents fraud, the
domain should not be able to move for a period of time to prevent the fraudster / phisher / bad guy continuing the fraud they are committing.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">What is the criteria for a material change that today triggers a CoR lock?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo6">1.1 "Change of Registrant" means a Material Change to any of the following: 1.1.1 Prior Registrant name, 1.1.2 Prior Registrant organization, 1.1.3 Prior Registrant email address, 1.1.4 Administrative
Contact email address, if there is no Prior Registrant email address.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3. Risk-based approach: What problems are we trying to solve with CoR?
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Here is the document we will use for today's discussion: Cor Foundation Brainstorm -- <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit</a>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">This is an open-ended table. We can rank these and see if they help us get to the same spot.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Context: One of the things we are hoping to do is to take a step back from the current policy, think about the problems we are trying to solve and the risks. If a registrant name is changed, for example,
is that something we need to worry about. We also don’t need to come up with solutions at this point.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">There is a big difference between changing the information about a registrant (name, etc.) then if there is a move to a different account (intra-registrar transfer). Not sure we need to care about changes
to an account.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Account is difficult as that might not be in scope. Only if there is a true change of ownership.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">If there is going to be a change that causes a lock a user should be warned before they commit to that.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Propose that we limit what we do to transfers. Some changes in a registrant’s account aren’t a transfer.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Change of ownership is valid to discuss.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">See the definitions at: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gu4sXGvyJeWJIfvaK_I7GKA6lAdfKFPQKaN4UMgzmcE/edit">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gu4sXGvyJeWJIfvaK_I7GKA6lAdfKFPQKaN4UMgzmcE/edit</a>.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">What we are trying to do is to determine the problems, not the solutions.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Also, registrars are responsible for keeping their accounts accurate, while registrants have rights to make changes.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">At the end of the day the WG has to have consensus recommendations to change any of the CoR policy.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">For example, does the change of a name warrant restrictions on subsequent changes or change of registrar?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Another example, if the WG agrees that a material change should no longer include a registrant name change then we need to thoroughly document the reason for the change.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">60-day lock is the action based on what is considered a “material change.” The WG could decide that something isn’t a “material change” but keep the subsequent action (lock), or decide to scrap both
what are material changes as well as the actions – once we go through the various scenarios.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Maybe we decide something else is better than a lock.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">If we look at today’s environment it doesn’t seem that there is much policy to prevent an illegitimate transaction. And the AuthInfo Code has been there since the name was created. But with the Phase
1A recommendations the TAC will not be sitting there, but not provisioned until requested.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Any transaction from column 1 with no other follow-on action would not invoke the TAC. But others would invoke the inter-registrar transfer policy.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">The policy today originated through a discussion of change of control.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">There has to be a way for registrants to dispute a change, beyond an intra-registrant policy.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">No matter the original intent the policy has not worked well.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Should look at why an action was put in place and whether it is still needed.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">We need to come up with a way to get to a rationale—either to keep the policy or to change it.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Example: If there is an illegitimate name change that stays within the registrar is that a problem particularly if easily corrected?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Could say that we don’t need to look at the definition or trigger, but maybe the possible action (notification, lock, dispute mechanism).<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">However the contact is made between the registrar and registrant, what is important is when that contact changes.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Can we create a baseline?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">Don’t think the trigger is the update to the communication, but the owner. We will at least have to update the list of changes to remove the Administrative Contact.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>ACTION ITEM:</b> <b>WG members to consider the best way to frame the discussion of the CoR policy and review the Cor Foundation Brainstorm document at: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fjkdk6VSWHw-ZjRfHHL0vGeWw9NKcf7IsT8eT8T2VYw/edit</a>.</b><b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
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