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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear TPR WG members,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s meeting.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">The next meeting will be Tuesday, 13 September at 16:00 UTC.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>ACTION ITEM: WG members should be prepared to discuss the public comments on
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Recommendations_Rec%202_20220829.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1661772796000&api=v2">
Recommendation #2</a> of the Phase 1A Initial Report.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Notes:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Transfer Policy Review - Meeting #58</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Proposed Agenda</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>6 September 2022</b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1. Roll Call & SOI updates</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2. Welcome and Chair Updates</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Busy next few weeks with ICANN75 coming up.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Public comment period ended and all comments (34) have been assembled. Support and identification of a few items to discuss. We’ll be reviewing all comments and updating recommendations as appropriate.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Update from Steiner on the At-Large summary of the CPWG discussion on Change of Registrant policy. See attached.<o:p></o:p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Had a fruitful discussion last week on the CPWG call.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Based on that discussion, if we are going to change anything on the transfer lock the CPWG would like some statistics/data supporting removing that part of the policy. But we don’t have any statistics.
If we will have transfer lock period it might be reduced to less than 60 days. Specifically: “Input to the discussion were mostly connected to the question whether the present 60-days transfer lock after a change of registrant data is preventing domain name
hijacking. Further - the majority of the CPWG attendees requested data about the volume of hijacked domain names. These statistics - if available, may indicate if the transfer lock after a change of registrant is needed. The discussion also covered whether
a transfer lock is needed for mitigation of domain name hijacking.”</li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Discussion:
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Wonder if Compliance has some data?</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Registrars have indicated that they don’t have data.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Without data we should remove it.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">From staff re: question about data: Compliance has provided data related to complaints about the lock itself in Phase 1A, but not specific enough in terms of hijacking. As to data to “prove” that a lock
is necessary or not, we don’t have that level of breakdown/tracking to speak to that issue.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Compliance tracks transfer complaints in general, but does not break down to “inter registrar" vs. “COR”.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">The best you can get is the NACK statistics from the Open Data Initiative, but only limited years and not recent. Does show significant use of the NACK, but can’t correlate it to hijacking.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Not sure that we can get valuable data as to why there was a NACK in the first place.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Registrars offer different levels of security and registrant can pick the model that fits their needs/shop around to get what they are looking for.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">I also remember most complaints about COR to Compliance were people annoyed by not being to unlock their domains. For hijacked domains, the hijack happened even with COR process (which hijackers were
able to bypass).</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">It’s a very interesting perspective. As registrars can and do provide security that is superior to minimum requirements under the Transfer Policy. Accordingly, it may be that this is the answer; leave
it to registrants to select a registrar with desirable security protocols to prevent unauthorized transfer.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3. Review public comments on proposed edits to Transfer Policy section I.A.3.7.1 -- See <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool" title="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool">Public
Comment Review Tool for Recommendation 19</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Overview of the Public Comment Review Tool (PCRT):</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">See the wiki page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool">
https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool</a>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Full compilation of 34 comments. Summary:
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Include both those responding to specific questions and from those who didn’t follow the format.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Responses to questions.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Series of comments suggesting new topics that are consolidated.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Process and modalities (such as extension of the public comment period).</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Series of comment that express concern about security issues.</li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">PCRT:
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">For each recommendation, breakdown: support, support with wording change, significant change required, recommendation should be deleted, no opinion. Grouped the comments by type.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Grouped by themes.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Recommendation #19 <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Recommendations_Rec%2019_20220829.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1661773138000&api=v2">
PCRT</a> – Summary:</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Expectation that WG members have reviewed these comments.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Support -- Ted Chang, RySG, ICANN Business Constituency (BC), ICANN Org,
<span lang="EN-GB">Samwel Kariuki, </span>Philip Busca, Namecheap, RrSG, Newfold Digital, IPC</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Support recommendation with wording change:
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Tucows, GoDaddy, John Poole.<b><o:p></o:p></b></li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Significant change required:<b><o:p></o:p></b>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Com Laude, ICA, Leap of Faith Financial Services Inc.</li></ul>
</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Recommendation should be deleted: NCSG.</li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Discussion:</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">The evidence of fraud was discussed in the full WG and in the small group.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">We expected to get comments on this.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Based on the comments, do we have a path forward on whether to change the recommendation?</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Is there a possibility that fraud goes to a “MUST”?</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">There could be good reasons to leave fraud as a “MAY”-- could imagine that a registrar might allow a registrant to transfer away, so good to have the flexibility.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Maybe the losing registrar doesn’t want to deal with this registrant/domain name, so wants the flexibility to allow a transfer.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Does that mean that a losing registrar could allow a fraudulent registrant to transfer without the gaining registrar to know about the fraud?</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">How do you know that there is evidence of fraud? If you make it a “MUST” a registrar could be in breach without ever knowing it. Or something is illegal for one country but not in another.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Procedure element: The current language is limited to evidence of fraud in the “MAY” category. To put a change in policy forward to Council the WG will have to have consensus support for a change to
the recommendation/policy. In this case the “MAY” is the current policy so there would need to be consensus for a change to “MUST”.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Suggest removing “domain use” from “Violation of the Registrar's domain use or anti-abuse policies or evidence of fraud.”</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">The above suggested change may not allow enough flexibility – to allow for things other than abuse or fraud.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Three scenarios: 1) keep the recommendation as “evidence of fraud”; 2) the recommended language; 3) “Violation of the Registrar's anti-abuse policies or evidence of fraud.”</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Once we agree to language the change should go back to the groups and get approval.</li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">4. Time permitting, Review public comments on other elements of Recommendations 18, 19, and 20 – See
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool" title="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/Phase+1A+-+Public+Comment+Review+Tool">
Public Comment Review Tools for Recommendations 18, 19, and 20</a></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Recommendation 18 (brief discussion), <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Recommendations_Rec%2019_20220829.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1661773138000&api=v2">
PCRT</a> – Summary:</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Pretty good support.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Support as written: Ted Chang, Tucows, Com Laude, ICANN Business Constituency (BC), ICANN Org, GoDaddy,
<span lang="EN-GB">Samwel Kariuki, </span>Philip Busca, NCSG, Namecheap, RrSG, Newfold Digital, IPC, ARTICLE 19, Leap of Faith Financial Services Inc., ICA<br>
Support with wording change: RySG and John Poole<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Discussion:</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Registrars have a clear process for taking down domain names. Language we have now is good enough.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Not sure the gaining and Losing Registrar have the same data of abuse.</li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">5. AOB: Next session: Tuesday 13 September at 16:00 UTC</p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Next topic will be the elimination of the FOA and security of the TAC. Current plan is to start on that topic on the 13 September meeting. Then continue on that topic at ICANN75.</li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">In the meantime WG members should review Recommendation #2 and the comments, as well as how to reconcile them to find mutual agreeable updates to the recommendations.</li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>ACTION ITEM: WG members should be prepared to discuss the public comments on
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/201949311/gnso-TPR-P1A-pcrt-Initial-Report-Recommendations_Rec%202_20220829.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1661772796000&api=v2">
Recommendation #2</a> of the Phase 1A Initial Report.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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