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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear TPR WG members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find below the brief notes and action items from today’s meeting. <b><i><o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The next meeting will be on Tuesday, 25 April at 1600 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Emily, Julie, Berry, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEMS/HOMEWORK: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Interested supporting registrars should provide a proposal in writing for a fast/gap undo in between the informal process and the TDRP/courts
by next Tuesday, 25 April.<o:p></o:p></span></b></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ongoing</span></i></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> -- Small Team to develop a proposal/language
to codify the informal transfer resolution process is continuing its work. Volunteers: Jody Kolker, Rich Brown, Owen Smigelski Juan Manuel Rojas, Zak Muscovitch and Jothan Frakes.<o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ol>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Notes:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Transfer Policy Review - Meeting #87</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">18 April 2023</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1. Roll Call & SOI updates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2. Welcome and Chair Updates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reminder to WG members about the deadline for early input and that they are responsible for reading all the comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Small Team looking at codifying the current informal transfer dispute resolution process is meeting later today; reminder that the small
team is expected to be short lived and focused only on codifying existing process.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Project Workplan: One open action item to start up the Small Team – close that off today; focus on fast undo in the gap analysis document;
then back to TEAC/TDRP charter questions and early input – but everyone should also be reading the input, and those whose groups provided input should speak up as it is addressed. Aiming to finish up by ICANN77.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3. Continuation of Gap Analysis Discussion – Focus on Fast Undo (see section I.C. of the <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1Mq-Zu-fTdu4xrI1h1YPB1ITGRTxAp2gKzef7cTkgnNg/edit__;!!PtGJab4!86IQcG2HXm5LXwtJZxOgNdbAHr7rTdOGxJCysyeqJphVZNro9xRQcrqqZGlXyCQJ6CJqYdQ2rE9U9IQd0InWIqRo4CT3X2h8qw$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1Mq-Zu-fTdu4xrI1h1YPB1ITGRTxAp2gKzef7cTkgnNg/edit__;!!PtGJab4!86IQcG2HXm5LXwtJZxOgNdbAHr7rTdOGxJCysyeqJphVZNro9xRQcrqqZGlXyCQJ6CJqYdQ2rE9U9IQd0InWIqRo4CT3X2h8qw$">working
document [docs.google.com]</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I.C. Additional Element for consideration: Fast Undo</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Introduction:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fast undo is not new – it was introduced as a proposal during the IRTP discussions, but was rejected.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Has anything changed to make it more suitable?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Give everyone who has a perspective on this has a chance to speak to it.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Early Input:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rick Wilhelm, RySG: SAC007 on hijacking; fast undo was brought to solve a problem that is very different today; skeptical that we can come
up with something that doesn’t have the downsides that the previous proposal had.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Zak Muscovitch, BC: TEAC came out from IRTP B Final Report – ETRP was under consideration that was rejected. “<i>The dangers of a “quick
undo” have been extensively canvassed previously and there is no practical solution beyond what current exists.”</i><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: Are we thinking about moving the reversal from a non-TEAC situation? Answer: It’s beyond a DNS reversal – it is getting a domain
back into the original registrant’s hands from the new registrant; it may not be TEAC initiated, it is beyond that.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There have been some changes since then in new technology, but the question is whether we want to go down that rabbit hole?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hijacking still occurs but probably isn’t as relevant. And we do have a fast undo as part of the TEAC --- if the gaining registrar doesn’t
respond the registrant can request that the name should be transferred back.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For those interested in understanding more of the history, the original proposal for Fast Undo (Expedited Transfer Reversal Procedure) appears
in the IRTP WB B Initial Report (https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/filefield_12531/irtp-b-initial-report-29may10-en.pdf). After substantial public comments were critical of this proposal, the WG put out a Proposed Final Report with questions for the
community (https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/filefield_22303/irtp-b-proposed-final-report-21feb11-en.pdf), and ultimately recommended the TEAC in its Final Report. For those advocating for a fast undo, we would recommend you familiarize yourselves
with the previously-noted pitfalls and criticisms so that we avoid rehashing these conversations.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We need a reversal process but not sure it needs to be fast. We’ve agreed to a Small Team to codifying the informal reversal process, don’t
think it makes sense to look at ETRP and I feel like we’ve decided not to look at a fast undo.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">TDRP is technically a reversal process, but maybe we are talking about something in between – everyone agrees and TDRP. On “automatic”
reversal becomes a concern.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note the Small Team is focusing on the friendly path to a reversal.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Either they come to agreement or someone is not responding – this discussion is whether there is something in between.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the case of a gaining registrar not responding the losing registrar can go to ICANN Compliance. The Small Team is only looking at the
friendly resolution, not if the gaining registrar is non-responsive.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We are trying to define is the solution of undoing the transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Small Team should suggest a timeframe for response – a week would be good.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Timeline could be multi-factor.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the happy path is no longer happy, we move on to something else.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A codification of the informal process would not contain a trigger to compliance because the current process doesn’t. It would be a variance.
The Small Team could discuss it.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What we need to focus on – don’t hear an appetite for an automatic undo of a transfer outside of the codification of the “happy path”, and
the TEAC/courts.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Informal poll:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If you support an undo process between the informal process and TDRP/court order: 10<o:p></o:p></span></b></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If you do not support: 4 (3 with 1 alternate)<o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could be a need for a registrant-initiated dispute process.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think what we are hearing is a break-glass situation – whatever we do it seems we need an emergency solution.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Seems like the emergency thinks need time to work out and the fast undo doesn’t allow that.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">When we think about this, it would mean disagreement or non-response – if a disagreement then it’s a dispute process.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It’s a dispute between registrants.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There’s not going to be consensus on fast undo.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe a rollback would be better.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If they aren’t agreeing that falls out of what the Small Team is working on.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">According to the poll there is support for a fast undo process between the Small Team codification of the informal process and the TDRP/courts.
We need proposals from those supporters. Any proposal should address how to manage the pain points.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Interested supporting registrars should provide a proposal in writing for a fast/gap undo in between the informal process and the TDRP/courts by next Tuesday,
25 April.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">4. AOB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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