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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear TPR WG members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find below the brief notes and action items from today’s meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The next meeting will be in
<i>two weeks</i> on Tuesday, 28 November at 1600 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Christian, Caitlin, Berry and Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEMS/HOMEWORK:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<b>WG members should review the "CoR - Overall Policy" Working Document at <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gu4sXGvyJeWJIfvaK_I7GKA6lAdfKFPQKaN4UMgzmcE/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gu4sXGvyJeWJIfvaK_I7GKA6lAdfKFPQKaN4UMgzmcE/edit?usp=sharing</a> and continue to think about "Change of Control".<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Transfer Policy Review - Meeting #108</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">14 November 2023</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1. Welcome and Chair updates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Not meeting next week; next meeting is 28 November.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is our last big topic; the goal is to wrap up by ICANN79 – about 2 months.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Updates:<o:p></o:p></span>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l4 level2 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Steinar, ALAC: CPWG trying to imagine a scenario when CoR is not part of the inter-registrar policy – will have a deeper discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l4 level2 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Roger: We haven’t gotten there yet – could end up with something less restrictive, but still in the policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2. Overview COR and <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/novoa-et-al-to-council-et-al-06feb23-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!8L1U8oULYUjMeV_Lr1c6OG-dixF78X8XqRObpv66IgOBz5rklO8JV5ob_7uaUVgcQqHucSDmJUANXhIkO7-rh5kQWAt0U-iPSCla$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/novoa-et-al-to-council-et-al-06feb23-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!8L1U8oULYUjMeV_Lr1c6OG-dixF78X8XqRObpv66IgOBz5rklO8JV5ob_7uaUVgcQqHucSDmJUANXhIkO7-rh5kQWAt0U-iPSCla$">Charter
[gnso.icann.org]</a> Questions d1 - d3 – See attached slides and also at: <a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hrlj_0l-dacJ526xj8PFJ4n4V_x7nS9VjJhxIWdRWnY/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hrlj_0l-dacJ526xj8PFJ4n4V_x7nS9VjJhxIWdRWnY/edit?usp=sharing</a>: Start at slide 4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Two big pieces: 1) opt out and 2) designated agent. We can still look at security issues that occur today.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What comes into play with discussions with registrants is where there is an unpaid status and registrar is flowing the domain name into
the recovery process – separate out this language?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can a CoR without being part of the policy?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There will be a CoR but will vary in how different registrars process this unpaid status.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Precursor to what we will decide on CoR in general.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is just a high-level overview – we will get to use cases later.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A lot of this we’ll cover in definitions – this we’ll get to a point where we can make this policy less confusing.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">When we look at this notification is important.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Historically we had to get deferral for privacy/proxy enabling/disabling. Have to address this so we don’t end up in the same spot.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We touched on all the charter questions last year and we have addressed a lot of these issues with security recommendations. If we leave
anything as we discussed then, it could be a high-level policy with details left to registrars, but as we go through this again we will address specific use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3. Discussion of COR Definitions and Change of Control – Start at slide 8.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We made pretty good progress when we talked about this previously – GDPR require registrants to be able to change their contact details
while balancing against something bad happening. Ended up with registrar and registered name holders to be able to work together. We were being pretty careful about not introducing account details into policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think that logically change of control seems like a better model than the current definition because what we care about is contactability
– that is the anchor. That is more reflective of how the system works. It is necessarily one piece of information.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that the Whois verification policy for phone, email – registrar needs to verify. Doesn’t identify an identity—so contactability.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Big issue we dealt with was Designated Agent – does it serve a purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">During the IRT work the Designated Agent was the salvation to the policy.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Designated Agent was around before, just not codified in policy.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Security implications are big for inter- (versus intra-) registrar transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Think about the idea of contactability – that is a big change that does allow registrants to do updates and also manage operational issues.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: The concept of Change of Control – are there issues of ownership? Change of ownership is generally different from change of registrant
contract details. We need to look at the differences and discuss them.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The distinction between control and CoR hinges on change of ownership. What are we trying to do with CoR? This about registration at an
abstract level – who can do what with a domain name. Gets really hard to talk about accounts. Stick to what registrars and registrants – change of control or contactability.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Change of ownership also includes agreements between parties – different from change of control.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Goal: when there’s a change of ownership (or control) goes to a level of awareness to make sure things are going the right way – is it valid,
verified, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Assumptions that we don’t know re: change of ownership. May not know unless there is a dispute.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At least the registrant could be notified that that has happened.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Everyone agrees that notification is great – the key question is whether there is something beyond notification?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Where we are is agreeing on notification and then if the WG wants to add to that…<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: How deep does this go – changes to domain name records? Don’t see that is part of changing records – not sure ICANN has control
of that –beyond the scope.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nameservers are not necessary with the same control panel as the Registrar interface.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Challenge: Does the CoR policy change to only notification of change of registrant data to prior registrant. Could be a good starting spot.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Notification process could be left up to the registrar. Contactability is what matters.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Concerns: 1) Brand owners interest in a lock following CoR; 2) if only notification, is there any requirement for redress in case of unauthorized
changes?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Registrar may not know if a change is authorized or not.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The move to notification is the right direction – how does that work with existing verification process, such as in the RAA?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If it is a notification is there an escalation process to the prior contact?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How would you even know there are changes being made?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we take it down to just verification we should think about the issues accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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