[ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto - decision on the dates

Tue Aug 28 16:39:26 UTC 2012

Sandra,

You absolutely may object and that is healthy, but please help me understand.  I know the ultimate goal is as you state and I fully support that, but look at the list of 32 attendees.  As I previously pointed out on this list: the overwhelming majority of the 32 are 'experienced and well trained in ICANN matters'; there may be some of the NCAs that are not; and it could be that there are new SO/AC Board appointees that are not.  If there are a lot of substitutes for the identified 32, it is possible that they would benefit from the curriculum proposed but we don't have enough information in that regard.  Like was well pointed out by others, we need to know our audience and make sure our learning objectives meet their needs.

If I am missing something here, please show me.

Chuck

From: sandra hoferichter [mailto:info at hoferichter.eu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:59 AM
To: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org; Gomes, Chuck
Subject: AW: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto - decision on the dates

Dear Chuck, may I object at this point:

[Gomes, Chuck]  The large majority of potential trainees are also 'experienced and well trained in ICANN matters'.

The original idea of, what we recently called ICANN Academy, came up because this is not the case. There are people joining ICANN where it is required that they take over responsibility pretty soon and they have not entirely understood the organisation, nor they know their counterparts in other SO /AC /SG and their focus.

It even turns out, that changing constituencies within ICANN offers surprises for many among us. We received this feedback from NomCom elections, Board members, ALAC reps and many others. Participating in the Newcomers programme could be an option, but seams to be somehow not the suitable format for a specific group of people. I will not oracle what could be the reason for this, I guess they are manifold.

Best Sandra

Von: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Gomes, Chuck
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2012 16:19
An: Alain Berranger; TYokunbo Abiola
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Betreff: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto - decision on the dates

Alain,

Please note my responses to your comments below.

Chuck

From: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
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Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto - decision on the dates

Three quick points:
1) the majority of those expressing a preference for postponing are all experienced and well trained in ICANN matters;[Gomes, Chuck]  The large majority of potential trainees are also 'experienced and well trained in ICANN matters'.
2) would it make sense to poll the prospective trainees? They have the most at stake in learning.
3) an important benefit of training is the networking between trainees; given that this training involves a good chunk of ICANN stakeholders' leadership, this networking would produce substantial value.[Gomes, Chuck]  I agree with this but, if networking is the main benefit, then the cost & time commitment is probably too high.

Alain

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, TYokunbo Abiola wrote:
Having read about the Toronto training program for some time, I strongly agree with Bill's ideas.

Regards,
Adetokunbo Abiola

--- On Tue, 28/8/12, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'william.drake at uzh.ch');>> wrote:

From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'william.drake at uzh.ch');>>
Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto - decision on the dates
To: "sandra hoferichter" <info at hoferichter.eu<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'info at hoferichter.eu');>>
Cc: "at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org');>" <at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org');>>
Date: Tuesday, 28 August, 2012, 3:18
Hi

While I strongly support capacity building and outreach/inreach and would not want to cause frustration among those who've worked hard on this, I think I agree with Avri and Chuck that postponement merits serious consideration.  There still seems to be different baseline visions in play with regard to goals, substance, mechanics and governance, and it's not obvious that these can all be effectively resolved quickly enough to ensure a good outcome in Toronto.  And if a "not ready for prime time" version is rushed out and doesn't go splendidly, this could have a negative impact on community perceptions of the utility of such efforts going forward.  I'd rather see it unambiguously done right and build the support needed for a regular activity than have it be the object of gossip and dissensus (not that that could happen in ICANN, but...).

A little more percolation and community direction seems advisable to me.

Best,

Bill

On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:53 AM, sandra hoferichter wrote:

> Hi Avri, postpone the programme would be that last option only, which I put not as an option yet. Taking into consideration the NomCom selections and the new CEO participation, I still see some very good reasons to go for Toronto. The Autumn meeting was not proposed just by chance. Furthermore I believe we can get things done, now that we are in the dialogue.
>
> Best Sandra
>
> (Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.)
>
> Am 28.08.2012 um 01:01 schrieb "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com<http://mc/compose?to=cgomes@verisign.com>>:
>
>> Considering how late it is before the Toronto meetings, this is worth considering.  At the same time, I personally will contribute however possible to do what needs to be done if we keep the Toronto target.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto -
>>> decision on the dates
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> other ideas.
>>>
>>> Would it be possible/reasonable to add the option of postponing the
>>> leadership training from Toronto to a later time when a properly
>>> constituted plan can be considered?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 17:00, sandra hoferichter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> thank you again for the valuable comments which has been posted on
>>> this list. I did not respond to everyone, but they should all feed into
>>> the further discussion and the final curriculum.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back to one of Filiz' earlier email I like to draw your
>>> attention to the following question and ask you kindly to express your
>>> opinion in a doodle.
>>>>
>>>> Due to the time conflicts for some assigned participants, we like to
>>> get a clearer picture about the duration of the leadership training in
>>> Toronto.
>>>>
>>>> I propose 3 options and ask all WG members*** to choose, what do you
>>>> think is the most appropriate solution. Feel free to consider also
>>> the
>>>> feedback of your SO / AC / SG chair whilst making the choice
>>>> here:http://www.doodle.com/4c4fa7dehuaksckx
>>>>
>>>> *** For group balancing reasons I ask the recent ALAC programme
>>> committee members (Avri, Tijani, Sala, Carlos) only to reply on the
>>> doodle.
>>>>
>>>> The options are:
>>>>
>>>> 1.       A one day orientation programme on Fri, 12th October à this
>>> will avoid time conflicts, especially for the GNSO, board and current
>>>

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