[ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto confirmed

Thu Sep 6 16:54:13 UTC 2012

Hello,

I understand Marilyn's point but agree with Sandra's original meeting
proposals and Avri.

The point is to build in sufficient flexibility to ensure participation
while we are still at this embryonic stage. We are fortunate to get two
time slots from Staff to maximise the effect of the Academy and to ensure
real reach and input. Let's take advantage of it!

Kind regards
Cintra

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One extra bit to add to the equation.
>
> First, I accept the utility of 2 separate discussions of similar agenda
> and thank staff for the scheduling.
>
> Some of us, if we can, will participate in both sessions, at least in
> part.  As long as the meeting is not a decision meeting but rather a
> discussion meeting this can actually help increase the amount of useful
> content that is added to the discussion, because the discussion grows, even
> if based on the same agenda.
>
> I do not beleive these meetings can be decision meetings since:
>
> - we are obviously a long way from reaching x-community consensus on even
> the first steps
> - not every part of the x-community will be able to make it to one of the
> meetings.
> - any deliberations in the SOAC entities about possible decisions would
> have to occur after these meetings.
>
> As for staff intervention, while I am adamantly against any notion of
> staff taking charge of this sort of activity (-; probably obvious by this
> time), I have every faith in the ability of staff to serve the needs of
> this group and to serve as an honest broker in helping us find a
> x-community consensus.  I also trust the chair to not let the newly
> (re)launched x-community process get derailed by a 'man in the middle'
> attack.  Additionally, I would assume that these meetings will have
> recordings for those of us who insist on a 'trust but verify' approach and
> cannot attend both session.
>
> Finally, I do not see how this x-community aggregate is going to finalize
> anything in 90 minutes.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 5 Sep 2012, at 10:49, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> > Marilyn is correct that it is difficult to literally have two duplicate
> meetings.  But it is also true that it is needed sometimes to deal with
> scheduling and time zone issues.  The ideal in my opinion is to have one
> meeting so that everyone is on the same page.  My suggestion is that we
> find out whether that is possible in this instance for most participants;
> if not, we may have to schedule more than one meeting but make them as
> similar as possible.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-
> >> lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:35 AM
> >> To: StÃ©phane Van Gelder ; at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org
> >> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto
> >> confirmed
> >>
> >> How can a meeting be a duplicate w different oarticipants?
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder at indom.com>
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:58:26
> >> To: <at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto
> >>      confirmed
> >>
> >> Obviously I understood both meetings to be replications so that we can
> >> maximize participation. If that is not the intention, then what would
> >> be the point of having two separate meetings on the same day?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stéphane Van Gelder
> >> Directeur Général / General manager
> >> INDOM Group NBT France
> >> ----------------
> >> Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
> >> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
> >> F: +22 (0)1 48 01 83 61
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 5 sept. 2012 à 15:39, Marilyn Cade a écrit :
> >>
> >> And disparete views, that means staff and staff consultants have to
> >> synthesize. Dive and conquer applies, and puts staff in the middle,
> >> which is where they have been. To all of our dismay. And to waste of
> >> time, and recycle, recycle, etc.
> >>
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder at indom.com
> >> <mailto:stephane.vangelder at indom.com> >
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:25:23
> >> To: <marilynscade at hotmail.com <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com> >
> >> Cc: <info at hoferichter.eu <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu> >; <at-large-
> >> icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org <mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-
> >> hoc-wg at icann.org> >
> >> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto
> >> confirmed
> >>
> >> I couldn't disagree more! Having two sessions means we have more chance
> >> of accommodating various people's agendas and getting better
> >> attendance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stéphane Van Gelder
> >> Directeur Général / General manager
> >> INDOM Group NBT France
> >> ----------------
> >> Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
> >> T: +33 (0)1 48 01 83 51
> >> F: +22 (0)1 48 01 83 61
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 5 sept. 2012 à 14:59, Marilyn Cade a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> Sandra and Filiz
> >> Thanks for this proposal.  In my view, there must be a single meeting
> >> in Toronto. The rest of the community has major work items beyond the
> >> Academy idea/concept/proposal. We have to have a single discussion.
> >>  Holding this from 7:30-9:00 a.m. is an excellent idea.
> >> All of us will do our best to show up on time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Personally, I start many BC meetings at 7 a.m., so that I can conclude
> >> them PRIOR to the agenda of other meetings. I am willing to meet at 7
> >> am. for this meeting/discussion in order to have a single, and focused
> >> discussion. It is important that staff and staff consultants are not
> >> put in the position of hearing different messages. This meeting needs
> >> to be about the community communicating with itself and not creating
> >> yet another setting where we are not talking to and with each other,
> >> but reading transcripts, and wondering what happens next.  If you hold
> >> two meetings, you will continue to divide the community and avoid the
> >> basic dialogue that is needed among the community members who have
> >> questions, or concerns, or different ideas. It is essential that we
> >> area ll in one room, at one time. That was what led us to this space --
> >> let's not miss this opportunity for a single dialogue opportunity.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please, consolidate these sessions into one single and early session on
> >> Wednesday.
> >>
> >>
> >> For me, I will have many other responsibilities for my constituency,
> >> including focus on SSR; and many other topics. I will not be alone in
> >> that challenge.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Academy is an interesting concept that the community, broadly, is
> >> trying to assess. It is limited in its contribution to the larger
> >> issues that the community is raising. I am committed to a true
> >> assessment of how/whether it can evolve  to serve the community.
> >>
> >>
> >> Those of us who are committed to this discussion will show up at 7
> >> a.m.. We do it all the time in our daily work lives.
> >> Serve croissants with the coffee and juice, and we can handle the
> >> complaints about breakfast. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Marilyn Cade, BC Chair
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> From: info at hoferichter.eu <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
> >> <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
> >> To: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org <mailto:at-large-icann-
> >> academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org>  <mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-
> >> wg at icann.org>
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:42:06 +0200
> >> Subject: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto
> >> confirmed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> the Academy Working Group meetings have now both been confirmed
> >> (see:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-
> >> +Wednesday%2C+17+October+2012
> >> <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-
> >> +Wednesday%2c+17+October+2012> ).
> >>
> >> Academy WG Session 1 - Wed, 17 October between 7:30-9:00 in the Harbour
> >> C Room
> >> Academy WG Session 2 - Wed, 17 October between 11:00-12:30 in the
> >> Regatta Meeting Room
> >>
> >> The agenda will be uploaded soon but I ask you herewith to pencil these
> >> dates in your calendar.
> >>
> >> Best Sandra
> >>
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