[Internal-cg] [IANAxfer] [ianatransition] Jurisdiction (was Composition of the ICG)

[Alissa Cooper]

Perhaps the problem here is that the viable path for participation of any
interested party is evident to some but not to others. I’m wondering if a
clarification would help. The thrust of my understanding of what the ICG
has proposed for a process going forward is explained below.

There will be, at a minimum, three sets of processes for developing
components of the transition proposal:

(1) An IETF process for developing the protocol parameters component. As
with all IETF processes, it is open to anyone with an email address. No
one is prevented from participating. If people need help understanding how
to participate, the IETF ICG appointees (as well as other experienced IETF
participants) are here to help. The process uses well established
mechanisms for discussion and consensus-building that have been used to
successfully craft thousands of documents over the years.

(2) RIR processes for developing the numbers component. My expectation
(which I’m sure will be corrected if wrong) is that these processes will
also be open to anyone who wants to participate. And again if people need
help understanding how, there are folks who are committed to providing
that help.

(3) A CCWG process for developing the names component. Again I think the
only way this will work is if anyone is permitted to participate, and I
haven’t seen any indication that participation will be somehow restricted.
Unlike the other two components, this process is perhaps more novel — but
certainly not more novel than any conceivable alternative process the ICG
could run.

If we have three sets of open processes where anyone can participate,
where work and attention can be efficiently divided so as to develop
focused proposals, where the ICG makes it a priority to ensure that
coordination happens so that areas of overlap get addressed within the
appropriate communities, and where tried-and-trusted discussion and
consensus processes can be leveraged, how is it possible than an arbitrary
group of 30 people in the ICG running a single centralized process created
de novo for this purpose would produce a result that has broader support
and better reflects the specific oversight/accountability needs of the
various IANA functions?

Alissa

On 8/1/14, 4:47 PM, "Tamer Rizk" <trizk at inficron.com> wrote:

>
>Richard is spot on. The reason why many of us have had to curtail our
>feedback is that a viable path for our comments to be reflected in the
>output of this process is not evident. If we desire an outcome that is
>representative of a diverse set of stakeholder interests, then the ICG
>should function to publicly aggregate input from those sources, merge
>them into discrete, topic based proposals for review by the wider
>community, and offer a transparent mechanism by which to gauge both
>external and internal consensus. Otherwise, if the coordination group is
>interested in drafting a proposal of its own accord, but would
>appreciate external feedback for internal deliberation, please refer to
>the previous suggestions herein.
>
>Richard Hill wrote:
>> Please see below.
>>
>> Thanks and best,
>> Richard
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Patrik Faltstrom [mailto:paf at frobbit.se]
>>> Sent: vendredi, 1. aout 2014 15:57
>>> To: rhill at hill-a.ch
>>> Cc: Eliot Lear; Avri Doria; ianatransition at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [ianatransition] Jurisdiction (was Composition of the ICG)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 12:01, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am proposing that the ICG assemble and summarize, and the
>>> summary could well include a satement to the effect that
>>> proposals X, Y, and Z are consistent with, and accomodated, in
>>> consolidated proposal A, which can therefore be said to be a
>>> consensus proposal.
>>>
>>> Why would not parties first talk with each other and merge their
>>> respective proposals before sending it to the ICG?
>>
>> Of course they should.  But what is the role of the ICG if all the
>> coordination is done outside ICG?
>>
>>>
>>> What you propose is for me not bottom up, but an informed top
>>> down process with consultations.
>>
>> Hunh?  What I propose is the usual process.  People make inputs, an
>>editor
>> collates them and produces a consolidated draft.  People comment on the
>> draft.  The editor produces a new draft, etc.
>>
>> If some of the stakeholders work together to agree a common proposal,
>>why
>> not.  But if nothing else is acceptable, then I don't call that "bottom
>>up",
>> I call that "pre-cooked deal".
>>
>>>
>>> Not good enough for me.
>>>
>>>> The ICG would then put that assembled proposal out for comment,
>>> as you say, and if they got it right, nobody would object to it.
>>>
>>> Saying no one would object to a proposal is of course something
>>> that will never happen. You know that as well as I do.
>>
>> There will surely be more objections at the end if people are
>>discouraged
>> from sending inputs and if their comments are not reflected in the
>>output in
>> some way (which may be an explanation of why the input was not
>>included).
>>
>>>
>>>     Patrik
>>>
>>>
>>
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