[Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Sat Aug 30 12:36:17 UTC 2014


Dear Alissa,
Please advise whether or not after several support to my proposal
as contained/ mentioned in rev 2 that I did send you three days ago , v14
is now amended or not
Regards
Kavouss


2014-08-30 14:31 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:

> Dear All,
> My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been
> taken into account
> I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal  to ignor it
> kavouss
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> Date: 2014-08-30 14:30 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Fwd: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?
> To: Coordination Group <Internal-cg at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear All,
> My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been
> taken into account
> I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal it should be ignored
> Kavouss
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
> Date: 2014-08-30 11:35 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?
> To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>
>
>  Off list:
>
> I've lost a bit of the thread...
>
> Which of your proposed edits s the one that hasn't been properly accounted
> for?
>
> Joe
>
> On 8/30/2014 3:31 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>
>  Dear All,
> Dear Alissa
> What Milton agreed was on consensus building process and not on RFP .
> What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some changes which are not of
> editorial nature but essential.
> There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.
> I have sent that twice and I request to be considered before being
> published as draft .
> I am not in the little group nevertheless the amendment that I have
> proposed are essebntial.
> However, should every body agree that the draft should be published I have
> no problem provided that everybody understand that the amendments proposed
> by me are still valid and to be considered.
> I have informed in different manner
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
>
>
> 2014-08-30 9:29 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>
>>  Dear All,
>> Dear Alissa
>> what Milton agreed was on consensus building process.
>> What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some changes which are not
>> of editorial nature but essential.
>> There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.
>> I have sent that twice and I request to be considered before being
>> published as draft .
>> I am not in the little group nevertheless the amendment that I have
>> proposed are essebntial.
>> However, should every body agree that the draft should be published I
>> have no problem provided that everybody understand that the amendments
>> proposed by me are still valid and to be considered.
>> I have informed in different manner
>> Regards
>> Kavouss
>>
>>
>> 2014-08-30 7:06 GMT+02:00 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net>:
>>
>> I am keen to publish the draft, as a draft, soon please.  It doesn’t need
>>> to be perfected before we do that.
>>>
>>> For the record I agree with Kavouss’ suggestions, as amended by Milton,
>>> and happy for these to be included
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Milton,
>>> > Thank you again for yr analysis
>>> > Yes I could make a consensus with your last suggestion
>>> > Pls go ahead and I thank you for that.
>>> > By the way do you know any ting about a book published in 70 s about
>>> that group?
>>> > tks and have a nice week-end ,if I do not hear from you
>>> > Kavouss
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2014-08-29 20:12 GMT+02:00 Mohamed El Bashir <mbashir at mbash.net>:
>>> > After reviewing Kavouss RFP updates, I prefer to keep the text " light
>>> coordination role" and I am fine with the rest of the updates .
>>> >
>>> > We suppose to finished and published the RFP yesterday, I propose move
>>> ahead and publish the latest version as agreed before the IGF.
>>> >
>>> > Kind Regards,
>>> > Mohamed
>>> >
>>> > On 29 Aug 2014, at 19:47, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear Manal
>>> >> ,
>>> >> I am not pointing toward any one who made the suggestion that the
>>> adjective " Light " being added to the word or term " Coordination "
>>> >> I am just saysing that ICG tasks . interalia, is to coordinate the
>>> activities .
>>> >> This does not any thing to do with TOP down or button up process
>>> .Just it does not feet. It give the impression that the activities of ICCG
>>> on this matter is a light activitiwes and not a complete and in-depth
>>> >> Tks
>>> >> Kavouss
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-08-29 19:10 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>:
>>> >> This was not the intention of course .. I have inserted this clause
>>> “in order to help ICG maintain its light coordination role” as I thought 2
>>> things would make it more convincing for non-operational parties to work
>>> through the operational communities processes:
>>> >>
>>> >> -          to make sure the ICG does not have a top-down
>>> decision-making authority, and
>>> >>
>>> >> -          to make sure their contributions are considered early
>>> within the process, and directly discussed with the relevant party
>>> >>
>>> >> Just thought to clarify, but I’m flexible should colleagues feel it
>>> does not serve the purpose of the first bullet ..
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> --Manal
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh
>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:45 PM
>>> >> To: Milton L Mueller
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Cc: Coordination Group
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Milton,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you very much for your kind response .You are among the most
>>> knowledgeable and competent as far as I understand the exchange of message.
>>> >>
>>> >> Pls kindly note that the term LIGHT before coordination, weakenes our
>>> actions .It could be interpreted that the coordination actions that we
>>> undertake is not sufficiently serious as it is qualified by the adjective
>>> LIGHT.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Would it cause any difficulty that we delete that and just refer to
>>> coordination without any qualification.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Kavouss
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-08-29 15:54 GMT+02:00 Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>:
>>> >>
>>> >> My opinions regarding Kavouss’s proposed changes:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Would prefer to keep “light” in there.
>>> >>
>>> >> OK to remove the word “only” from the paragraph on Comments
>>> >>
>>> >> OK to replace “direct” with “forward”
>>> >>
>>> >> OK to replace “encourages” with “urges”
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Milton L Mueller
>>> >>
>>> >> Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
>>> >>
>>> >> Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>>> >>
>>> >> http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Martin Boyle
>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:46 AM
>>> >> To: Kavouss Arasteh; Daniel Karrenberg
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Cc: Coordination Group
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks Alissa for your work on this.  I’m sure we could continue
>>> word-smithing this for a long time, and I’m happy to go.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kavouss’s comment on light:  I like the term as it reminds everyone
>>> that we are not planning to play the autocrats.  But if non-native English
>>> speakers find the meaning obscure I’m ok without.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Martin
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh
>>> >> Sent: 29 August 2014 13:32
>>> >> To: Daniel Karrenberg
>>> >> Cc: Coordination Group
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear Alissa,
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear All,
>>> >>
>>> >> I suggest some small amendments to make various parts of the text
>>> consistent with each other
>>> >>
>>> >> See attachment
>>> >>
>>> >> Kavouss  the l
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-08-29 13:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel Karrenberg <
>>> daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net>:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 28.08.14 23:36 , Alissa Cooper wrote:
>>> >> > ...
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Are there any objections to publishing this as a draft (and having
>>> the
>>> >> > secretariat host it on our web site and make an announcement about
>>> its
>>> >> > existence) by Sept 1?
>>> >>
>>> >> I support publishing this as a daft with Elise's corrections.
>>> >>
>>> >> Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
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