[Internal-cg] Chair structure poll

Fri Jul 25 17:46:44 UTC 2014

I have taken Joe’s suggestion and created a poll concerning chair
structure [1]:

http://tinyurl.com/pgufgjh

I suggest we set a deadline of July 30 at 20:00 UTC for people to respond
to the poll. After that, we can create another poll for actually selecting
people, or take an email vote, or work it out by some other mechanism that
we can figure out next week.

The responses to the chair structure poll will be publicly visible here
[2]: http://tinyurl.com/ptrr2m6

I appreciate that we are still figuring out the details of our processes
and consensus mechanisms. We did have support for the three co-chair
structure in London, and now we appear to have some support for other
models, so I think in this bootstrapping phase we should be at least a bit
flexible and take a little more time to determine a structure that has
broad support. I also recognize that we’ve had a variety of deadlines
suggested for different aspects of this chair selection issue, but my
sense from the list discussion is that resolving this structure question
mid-next-week and the actual personnel selection shortly thereafter will
work while I continue as interim chair.

Please fill out the chair structure poll by July 30 at 20:00 UTC and we’ll
take it from there.

Thanks,
Alissa

[1] Full URL is here (I used tinyurl to avoid line-break problems):
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gngAa7fjboC9y2zdKs7rmH9H08RLyW7Qv4hE1Dj0D2
Y/viewform

[2] Full URL: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xJkGxBRu6BBPX9XSTCRQNblNG7QEE-RllGR
9ZCvvY8g/edit#gid=1350424468

On 7/25/14, 9:53 AM, "Jon Nevett" <jon at donuts.co> wrote:

>I'm sure that the ICANN staff folks could do it if we agree on the
>questions to ask and that the exercise is worthwhile.  Best, jon
>
>
>
>On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
>wrote:
>
>> While I have used doodle I have not set one up, so i would invite
>>anyone so inclined to go forth and doodle.  I would however remind
>>everyone that we have a 2 stage question:
>> 
>> 1.  Composition of Chairs - Three co-chairs or Chair/Alternate+
>>volunteers
>> 2.  Who will serve.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Joe
>> On 7/25/2014 8:45 AM, Jon Nevett wrote:
>>> Joe:
>>> 
>>> In various ICANN fora, we have used Doodle polls to determine
>>>substantive issues in addition to scheduling meetings.  It's a
>>>relatively quick way to get a sense of the group and it might be
>>>appropriate in this situation.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:34 AM, joseph alhadeff
>>><joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Colleagues:
>>>> 
>>>> Alissa is already interim chair, as of London.  I assume she has been
>>>>somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a
>>>>conflict of interest.
>>>> 
>>>> One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine
>>>>unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters
>>>>related to running meetings.  Where no consensus emerges, the Chair
>>>>leads a process of coming to consensus.  That is different than
>>>>determining consensus.  Thus, I would have to take exception to
>>>>Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process
>>>>issue.  Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the
>>>>Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly
>>>>becoming chair...
>>>> 
>>>> I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory
>>>>responsibility.  If we don't agree with a proposal we must step
>>>>forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made
>>>>known at the earliest opportunity.  If this constructive participation
>>>>does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset.  My
>>>>suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not
>>>>less than a week, for consultation.  With the exception of consensus
>>>>on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal
>>>>would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the
>>>>communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified
>>>>in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also
>>>>suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the
>>>>importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process.   I am
>>>>fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection
>>>>point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for
>>>>transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting
>>>>to the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer
>>>>established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to
>>>>conclude...  Equally happy to entertain other proposals.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can
>>>>you say when the group will provide an opinion?  Open-ended timelines
>>>>will not help us develop efficient process or workflows.
>>>> 
>>>> Best-
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I acknowledge the different views on
>>>>> 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and
>>>>>number of (co-) chairs and
>>>>> 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a
>>>>>focal role on taking initiatives and organization
>>>>> 
>>>>> Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint
>>>>>Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described
>>>>>by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a
>>>>>following (co-) chair selection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM
>>>>> To: ICG Internal
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of
>>>>>ICG
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations
>>>>>shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but
>>>>>also on other matters of importance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions
>>>>>concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some
>>>>>questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jean-Jacques.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>> De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark at accan.org.au>
>>>>> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson at apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström"
>>>>><paf at frobbit.se>
>>>>> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg at icann.org>
>>>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51
>>>>> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's
>>>>>appointment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Narelle Clark
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>[mailto:internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM
>>>>> To: Patrik Fältström
>>>>> Cc: ICG Internal
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of
>>>>>ICG
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Patrik, I support.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment
>>>>>>of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything
>>>>>>regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and
>>>>>>zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to
>>>>>>define when we have consensus in ICG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that
>>>>>>objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on
>>>>>>Monday July 28.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find
>>>>>>Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as
>>>>>>you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to
>>>>>>even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the
>>>>>>role of the chair is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing
>>>>>>less.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Patrik Fältström
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