[Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17

Wed Sep 17 14:34:20 UTC 2014

Thank you all for your replies, comments and clarification of the need for paragraph 4 referenced below .. 

I would just like to note that:

-          I have not edited the version shared by Alissa to be used on the call .. The final draft is already there untouched .. so I hope there is need for an editorially updated doc. with new reference called Draft for Conference call ..

-          I have sent my remarks over email as wisely suggested by Alissa to avoid such confusion .. I thought this is going to be equally good, if not better, to sharing them over the call ..

-          I have already mentioned at the very beginning that I’m flexible to revert to the original text if so agreed .. 

Looking forward to our call later today ..

Kind Regards

--Manal

From: joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:37 PM
To: WUKnoben; Manal Ismail; Alissa Cooper; internal-cg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17

I am sympathetic to the concern raised by Kavous that we need a stable draft to consider on the call so that everyone will have had an opportunity to review.... there will be opportunities on the call to raise any residual  concerns.  can we at least suggest that at least 4 hours before the call a final draft for consideration will be posted so that we are all on the same page?

On 9/17/2014 6:59 AM, WUKnoben wrote:

	Thanks Manal,

	I’ve inserted my comments in red

	Best regards

	Wolf-Ulrich

	From: Manal Ismail <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>  

	Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:34 PM

	To: Alissa Cooper <mailto:alissa at cooperw.in>  ; joseph alhadeff <mailto:joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>  ; internal-cg at icann.org 

	Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17

	Many thanks Alissa and all who have contributed to this document ..

	I'm sending my editorial remarks below following your suggestion .. 

	It's worth noting that I'm flexible to revert to the original language wherever deemed more appropriate ..

	Page 1:

	-          4th paragraph under 2. : replace capital 'M' of 'ICG Members' with small 'm' for consistency

	-          I've tried the url at the footnote and it did not work (might be my problem but worth someone else checking) ..

	you’re right re the footnote on page 1. The document can be found on https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf> 

	Page 2:

	-          3rd paragraph under 3. : For cases for which where it has been previously agreed that a decision is to be made at a given meeting and one or more members are not in a position to attend present at that meeting, these members  may provide their views to the ICG in advance in order that those views be considered at the scheduled meeting for decision making. Should the decision made not meet the requirements views of those absent, there should be another attempt to find a suitable compromise. Absent members should be invited to provide the ICG with a written statement of their concerns for inclusion in the report /conclusions of the ICG.

	-          4th paragraph under 3. : I suggest the deletion of this paragraph as, to me, it is completely redundant to paragraph 3 above .. if it was decided to remain, there's a missing full-stop at the end of the paragraph ..

	-          I’m not sure but think para 3 is related to absent members who may be opposed whereas para 4 refers to opposed members in general.  Maybe Joe can assist...

	I do not dare to suggest any changes on the following pages J ..

	be courageous if you are not convinced...

	Hope you find the above straight forward non-substantial changes .. 

	Kind Regards

	--Manal

	From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper
	Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:40 AM
	To: joseph alhadeff; internal-cg at icann.org
	Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17

	All,

	Attached and in Dropbox are the versions we will use on the call on Sept 17:

	ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC.docx

	ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC-clean.docx

	All of the changes since v12-MU-ALC are editorial (mostly typo fixes and white space deletions), except one: on page 1, I added the text suggested by Joe about public comment periods. The editorial fixes include the suggestions made by Joe, Wolf-Ulrich, Kavouss, and Milton (off-list).

	If people spot further editorial issues prior to the call, please send them in email to the mailing list, rather than editing the document directly, and I will incorporate them prior to the call.

	Thanks,

	Alissa

	On 9/16/14, 5:14 AM, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:

		Alissa, Colleagues:

		The draft is acceptable as is - thanks for your work on editing...  I have proposed a few non-substantive edits to improve understanding - for example use of public comment forum may be read not to include written comments, propose replacing forum with consultation, etc.

		One possible addition might be a reaffirmation of our commitment to consultation which should be differentiated from our 7 day period for decisions...  Possible language which could be added to making decisions could be:

		ICG will make all reasonable efforts  to enable member stakeholder communities to have appropriate time to consult with their members on issues on which the ICG will make substantive decisions.  Where appropriate and practicable, public comment periods will also be provided .

		Joe

		On 9/16/2014 4:40 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:

			I am at another meeting 

			I have  read your edited text which seems to cover most or almost every points.

			Please let me to ck it again and come back to you 

			Kavouss  

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