[Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Wed Sep 17 15:00:39 UTC 2014


Dear Manal
I very much appreciate your efforts and collaboration.
I just asked Alissa to made available a CLEAN DOC. WITH new naming Drfat on
CONSENSUS BUILDING FOR conference call
Kavouss

2014-09-17 16:38 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle at nominet.org.uk>:

>  I do hope that we can use the version posted in drop box less than a day
> ago, which we have all had a chance to read and consider carefully.  I do
> not think that there is any need for an editorially updated doc.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> *From:* internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Manal Ismail
> *Sent:* 17 September 2014 16:31
> *To:* Kavouss Arasteh
> *Cc:* Coordination Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Arasteh ..
>
>
>
> I’m not debating your request, I just noticed I typo in my below email
> that I wish to correct ..
>
> I meant to say “… I hope there is no need for an editorially updated doc.
> …”
>
>
>
> Just thought it’s worth noting .. apologies for the inconvenience ..
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> --Manal
>
>
>
> *From:* Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
> <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:03 PM
> *To:* Manal Ismail
> *Cc:* joseph alhadeff; WUKnoben; Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17
>
>
>
> Alissa,
>
> Once again I request to post the draft with new name final draft for
> conference call
>
> Kavouss
>
>
>
> 2014-09-17 16:34 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>:
>
> Thank you all for your replies, comments and clarification of the need for
> paragraph 4 referenced below ..
>
> I would just like to note that:
>
> -          I have not edited the version shared by Alissa to be used on
> the call .. The final draft is already there untouched .. so I hope there
> is need for an editorially updated doc. with new reference called Draft for
> Conference call ..
>
> -          I have sent my remarks over email as wisely suggested by
> Alissa to avoid such confusion .. I thought this is going to be equally
> good, if not better, to sharing them over the call ..
>
> -          I have already mentioned at the very beginning that I’m
> flexible to revert to the original text if so agreed ..
>
>
>
> Looking forward to our call later today ..
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> --Manal
>
>
>
> *From:* joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:37 PM
> *To:* WUKnoben; Manal Ismail; Alissa Cooper; internal-cg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17
>
>
>
> I am sympathetic to the concern raised by Kavous that we need a stable
> draft to consider on the call so that everyone will have had an opportunity
> to review.... there will be opportunities on the call to raise any
> residual  concerns.  can we at least suggest that at least 4 hours before
> the call a final draft for consideration will be posted so that we are all
> on the same page?
>
> On 9/17/2014 6:59 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
>
>   Thanks Manal,
>
>
>
> I’ve inserted my comments in red
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> *From:* Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in> ; joseph alhadeff
> <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> ; internal-cg at icann.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17
>
>
>
> Many thanks Alissa and all who have contributed to this document ..
>
> I'm sending my editorial remarks below following your suggestion ..
>
> It's worth noting that I'm flexible to revert to the original language
> wherever deemed more appropriate ..
>
>
>
> Page 1:
>
> -          4th paragraph under 2. : replace capital 'M' of 'ICG Members'
> with small 'm' for consistency
>
>
>
> -          I've tried the url at the footnote and it did not work (might
> be my problem but worth someone else checking) ..
>
> you’re right re the footnote on page 1. The document can be found on
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf
>
>
>
> Page 2:
>
> -          3rd paragraph under 3. : For cases for which where it has been
> previously agreed that a decision is to be made at a given meeting and one
> or more members are not in a position to attend present at that meeting,
> these members  may provide their views to the ICG in advance in order that
> those views be considered at the scheduled meeting for decision making.
> Should the decision made not meet the requirements views of those absent,
> there should be another attempt to find a suitable compromise. Absent
> members should be invited to provide the ICG with a written statement of
> their concerns for inclusion in the report /conclusions of the ICG.
>
>
>
> -          4th paragraph under 3. : I suggest the deletion of this
> paragraph as, to me, it is completely redundant to paragraph 3 above .. if
> it was decided to remain, there's a missing full-stop at the end of the
> paragraph ..
>
> -          I’m not sure but think para 3 is related to absent members who
> may be opposed whereas para 4 refers to opposed members in general.  Maybe
> Joe can assist...
>
>
>
> I do not dare to suggest any changes on the following pages J ..
>
> be courageous if you are not convinced...
>
>
>
> Hope you find the above straight forward non-substantial changes ..
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> --Manal
>
>
>
> *From:* internal-cg-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:internal-cg-bounces at icann.org <internal-cg-bounces at icann.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Alissa Cooper
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:40 AM
> *To:* joseph alhadeff; internal-cg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Attached and in Dropbox are the versions we will use on the call on Sept
> 17:
>
>
>
> ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC.docx
>
> ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC-clean.docx
>
>
>
> All of the changes since v12-MU-ALC are editorial (mostly typo fixes and
> white space deletions), except one: on page 1, I added the text suggested
> by Joe about public comment periods. The editorial fixes include the
> suggestions made by Joe, Wolf-Ulrich, Kavouss, and Milton (off-list).
>
>
>
> If people spot further editorial issues prior to the call, please send
> them in email to the mailing list, rather than editing the document
> directly, and I will incorporate them prior to the call.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alissa
>
>
>
> On 9/16/14, 5:14 AM, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Alissa, Colleagues:
>
> The draft is acceptable as is - thanks for your work on editing...  I have
> proposed a few non-substantive edits to improve understanding - for example
> use of public comment forum may be read not to include written comments,
> propose replacing forum with consultation, etc.
>
> One possible addition might be a reaffirmation of our commitment to
> consultation which should be differentiated from our 7 day period for
> decisions...  Possible language which could be added to making decisions
> could be:
>
> ICG will make all reasonable efforts  to enable member stakeholder
> communities to have appropriate time to consult with their members on
> issues on which the ICG will make substantive decisions.  Where appropriate
> and practicable, public comment periods will also be provided .
>
> Joe
>
> On 9/16/2014 4:40 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>
>  I am at another meeting
>
> I have  read your edited text which seems to cover most or almost every
> points.
>
> Please let me to ck it again and come back to you
>
> Kavouss
>
>
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