[IOT] IRP-IOT: Please share view on Amicus Participation

Tue Aug 29 17:04:01 UTC 2023

Dear All,
Good day / time,
I almost agree with David,
We can not allow 8 billions of earth inhabitant to be involved in Amicus
the very limited no. subject to further discussion is preferable
Regards
KA

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:13 PM McAuley, David via IOT <iot at icann.org>
wrote:

> Thank you, Susan.
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> I agree with Becky that someone must make the call on materiality and the
> panel is best placed to do that.
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> As regards automatic amicus status on the showing of materiality, I
> personally would leave a bit of discretion to the panel. What if twenty
> entities demonstrate materiality on a jointly held point of view – does the
> panel have to take all twenty briefs? I would say the panel should be able
> to limit participation once they are satisfied that all legitimate and
> material points of view are being expressed competently and diligently.
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> Consequently, I think your point about a presumption for the groups in (i)
> – (iii) makes sense.
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> I think we can let subparagraph (iv) go as unneeded.
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> I also think the parties engaged in the dispute should have a chance to be
> heard on an amicus application but strictly within the panel’s discretion.
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> With regard to Malcolm’s point I am still considering this but suspect
> that here again we might put our trust in the panel to sort through
> amicus-requests on a sound and efficient basis.
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> Best wishes all,
>
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> David
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> David McAuley
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> Policy Director
>
> Verisign, Inc.
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>
> *From:* IOT <iot-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf Of * Becky Burr via IOT
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2023 5:50 PM
> *To:* Susan Payne <susan.payne at comlaude.com>
> *Cc:* iot at icann.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [IOT] IRP-IOT: Please share view on Amicus
> Participation
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> All of these cases seem to me to require an evaluation by the panel.
> Someone has to decide if the prospective amicus meets the criteria
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> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Susan Payne via IOT <iot at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Thanks to everyone for a good call last Tuesday.  We will be picking this
> up again on Tuesday 29th to get through the rules on Amicus
> participation, but it would be very helpful if you can continue to share
> thoughts on this over the mailing list before the call.
>
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> As currently drafted, our proposed Rules envisage that those with a
> material interest relevant to the Dispute have a right to participate as an
> Amicus, and that a subset of participants are deemed to have a material
> interest, such that they would be permitted to participate as of right
> without having to demonstrate to the Panel that they have a material
> interest.
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> The questions we were debating during our discussion of Rule 7 (25) were:
>
>    - If you can demonstrate you have a material interest relevant to the
>    Dispute, are you automatically permitted to be an Amicus, or should there
>    still be some Panel Discretion?
>    - If there is some Panel Discretion should the groups identified in
>    (i) – (iii) be automatically permitted, i.e. no Panel discretion?  Would
>    this be better expressed as a presumption that they have a right to
>    participate, thereby retaining some minimal discretion for the Panel?
>    - Do we agree that (iv) effectively re-states the general eligibility
>    for an Amicus, rather than identifying a specific group of interested
>    entities, and so is not appropriate for the automatic permission/presumption
>    - Should the Parties have the opportunity to raise objections, to be
>    taken into consideration by the IRP Panel?
>    - Does “material interest relevant to the Dispute” adequately cover
>    the scenario Malcolm raised where the entity might be materially impacted
>    by a potential interpretation of the Bylaws which might be reached by the
>    Panel in deciding the Dispute?
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> For convenience, Rule 7 (25) is reproduced below (with a couple of edits
> in red that did have strong agreement on the last call):
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> Any person, group, or entity that has a material interest relevant to the
> DISPUTE, even if they do but does not satisfy the standing requirements
> for a CLAIMANT set forth in the Bylaws, may participate as an amicus
> curiae before an IRP PANEL, subject to the limitations set forth in these
> sections 25 – 29. The purpose of participation as an amicus curiae is to
> assist the IRP Panel by offering information, expertise or other input that
> has a bearing on the issues in the DISPUTE. [For the avoidance of doubt,
> an amicus curiae is not a party to the DISPUTE.] Without limitation to
> the persons, groups, or entities that may have such a material interest,
> the following persons, groups, or entities shall be deemed to have a
> material interest relevant to the DISPUTE and, upon request of person,
> group, or entity seeking to so participate, shall be permitted to
> participate as an amicus before the IRP PANEL:
>
> i.                    A person, group or entity that participated in an
> underlying proceeding (a process-specific expert panel per ICANN Bylaws,
> Article 4, Section 4.3(b)(iii)(A)(3)) the outcome of which is material and
> relevant to the DISPUTE;
>
> ii.                   If the IRP relates to an application arising out of
> ICANN’s New gTLD Program, a person, group or entity that was part of a
> contention set for the string at issue in the IRP;
>
> iii.                 If the briefings before the IRP PANEL significantly
> refer to actions taken by a person, group or entity that is external to the
> DISPUTE, such external person, group or entity; and
>
> iv.                 A person, group or entity that is directly and
> materially impacted by the Covered Action which is the subject of the
> DISPUTE, but does not meet the requirements to be a CLAIMANT
>
> Thanks
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>
>
> Susan Payne
> Head of Legal Policy
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