<div dir="ltr">ICANN just closed a CEP with my client that had lasted more than seven years, re .GCC.  And not a single issue was narrowed or eliminated.  So yes, the CEP Rules (circa 2013) really need a review.<div><br></div><div>Another client just had an RFR 'summarily dismissed' by the BAMC, which has only happened very rarely in the past.  But it appears very unclear how or when such a dismissal can or must be challenged.  And so that is another scenario that needs review by this group, imho.<div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span><br><div dir="ltr" style="margin-left:0pt" align="left"><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><colgroup><col width="203"><col width="86"><col width="335"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:20.25pt"><td rowspan="4" style="border-right:0.75pt solid rgb(0,133,61);vertical-align:middle;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:center;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="border:none;display:inline-block;overflow:hidden;width:159px;height:95px"><img alt="Logo" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/S_Oxvn9Vep0rF8IVyiOnDwA4LymtHrWirggIxlsU26JihhEYDv5A5D03ZY0k_npND2t8xfiWCdTM5NTO_LSZMksjO_UlJm5IAP3FEi5cw96AwIPgVzvoOfHIux_qNA26n5UuxvQZ" width="159" height="95" style="margin-left:0px;margin-top:0px"></span></span></p></td><td colspan="2" style="border-left:0.75pt solid rgb(0,133,61);vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:18pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">address:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">548 Market Street, Box 55819</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">San Francisco, CA 94104</span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">email:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a></span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:24pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:3.6pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,133,61);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">phone:</span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt;overflow:hidden"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.53;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">+1 (415) 738-8087</span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:27 AM Susan Payne via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">On our last call we discussed the possible other accountability measures which it might be appropriate to toll IRP time limits for, and agreed it would be helpful
 to have a clearer picture of the time these processes take.  The below is my best assessment – hopefully Sam or Liz will correct me if I have this wrong, but in any event there are various timings expressed as “where possible” and some steps with no clear
 time limit that I can find, giving rise to an overall lack a clear outer time limit/duration.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I hope this is a useful background to keep in mind when we are considering tolling.  Bearing all of this in mind, perhaps the simplest approach in order to toll for
 the time taken by these other accountability mechanisms, if the group agree this is appropriate, would be to have the time to bring an IRP start to run from the publication of the final decision on any of these mechanisms, where brought, or, in the case of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Clearly a complainant who pursues an RFR would be very likely not to know the final outcome within the 120 days assigned for filing an IRP.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Submission<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">No specific time limit<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">ICANN response where possible<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">30 days<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Ombuds<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Timing in Ombuds Framework<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">60 days - Discretion to refuse if over 60 days from the act<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Response to draft report by complained-about body<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">30 days where possible<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">There was a question about whether the Ombuds has jurisdiction.  According to the
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Framework</a>, they do: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">“The ICANN Ombudsman will receive and have jurisdiction over complaints of unfairness concerning: • Decisions, actions, or inactions by one or more members of ICANN staff; •
 Decisions, actions, or inactions by the Board of Directors that may be inconsistent with the Articles of Incorporation or the Bylaws. • Decisions, actions, or inactions by constituent bodies”.<span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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