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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please let’s try to keep things civil gents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think it is appropriate for us to look at what the Bylaws say on this point and assess whether the rules are consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If others in the group have experience of whether this fee becomes the subject of a cost-award at the end of the process that would seem
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh via IOT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 July 2021 17:20<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Silber <silber.mike@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> iot@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am quite sure the purpose of this group is to enhance ICANN's woefully deficient, so-called Accountability Mechanisms -- not to provide a platform for disgruntled and snarky former ICANN Board members to denigrate legitimate concerns
expressed by any member of the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Back to the substance, fwiw, ICDR calls it an 'administrative fee' -- thus indicating it is a fee for administration of the IRP, which the plain language of the Bylaws require ICANN to pay for. More importantly, whatever the fee is called,
the real question is whether ICANN should force claimants to pay $6,000 merely for the entry fee to file an IRP case? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even from ICANN's point of view, that seems a really bad idea since court proceedings can be brought much more cheaply. From the community's point of view, I think it is a substantial and intentional barrier that ICANN has created in order
to stifle the ability of claimants merely to file a case.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it is well within the group's purview to discuss the issue, and ideally to make a Rule, in accord with the plain language of the Bylaws, that ICANN shall pay all ICDR administrative fees -- except possibly a nominal filing fee much
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was quite sure the purpose of this group was to improve and finalise processes - rather than affording a platform for a disgruntled litigant to ventilate their/their client’s issues?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also think there is a huge difference between ICANN bearing the costs of “maintaining the IRP mechanism” and ICANN bearing the costs of a party launching an IRP (that is not a Community IRP). At least that is my plain reading of the language.
The alternative reading would require ICANN to maintain a deposit with the ICDR just in case a potential IRP arises. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If my learned friend wants to suggest any wriggling, I would recommend he proposes a change to the bylaws to revise the current language - which to my mind does not (on a plain reading) lead to the conclusions to which both my learned colleagues
have leapt, with Olympic gold medal winning distances.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Really. Perhaps ICANN wants to try to explain it to this group...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I requested ICANN to pay that fee in the .hotel IRP, they refused. I asked the so-called Emergency Panelist to require ICANN to pay it, he refused (subject to review by the full IRP panel, just recently appointed). I will continue to
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">From Section 4.3:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">(r) </span>ICANN<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> shall
bear all the administrative costs of maintaining the IRP mechanism, including compensation of Standing Panel members. Except as otherwise provided in Section 4.3(e)(ii), each party to an IRP proceeding shall bear its own legal expenses, except that </span>ICANN<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> shall
bear all costs associated with a Community IRP, including the costs of all legal counsel and technical experts. Nevertheless, except with respect to a Community IRP, the IRP Panel may shift and provide for the losing party to pay administrative costs and/or
fees of the prevailing party in the event it identifies the losing party's Claim or defense as frivolous or abusive.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To me, that expresses a clear rule that the costs of the IRP itself are picked up by ICANN, that Claimants other than the EC pay the cost of their own professional advice and representation,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What is ICANN’s excuse for wriggling out of this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh via IOT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2021 19:03<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As for other issues, I had posted an email re IRP Fees last Sept. Now the fee is $6,750 merely to initiate an IRP at the ICDR. I think that is an administrative fee that the Bylaws
require ICANN to pay. But ICANN denies that, and forces claimants to pay it. I think it should cost far less to file a challenge to an ICANN decision. Note that it costs just $400 to file a lawsuit in U.S. federal court.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:51 AM Susan Payne via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for your thoughtful email. I will respond in writing as a follow up, but hope we will be able to also consider
these suggestions on the upcoming call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For convenience, hopefully, I have made a very light-touch update to the short slide deck we have been using to frame
the discussion on tolling – to correct a few areas of ambiguity that came up on the last call, as promised. These are noted in red.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The updated version is attached and we can review this on the call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> IOT <<a href="mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">iot-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>McAuley, David via IOT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 July 2021 12:20<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Dear IOT colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Susan asked us to note any work items that we think remain to be done. In my personal opinion, these are possible tasks remaining beyond those mentioned by Susan
on the last call:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">To develop a recall process relating to members of the standing panel – see Bylaw 4.3(j)(iii);</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">To consider the development of additional independence requirements for members of the standing panel, including
<span style="color:black;background:white">term limits and restrictions on post-term appointment to other </span>ICANN<span style="color:black;background:white"> positions – see Bylaw 4.3(q)(i)(B) on conflicts of interests of members of the standing panel;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Do we want to establish ‘limitations’ on appeals? – see Bylaw 4.3(w) which states:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:74.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">o</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Subject<span style="background:white"> to any limitations established through the Rules of Procedure, an IRP Panel decision may be appealed to the full Standing Panel sitting en banc within sixty (60) days
of issuance of such decision.</span></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:74.25pt"><i><span lang="EN-US"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:90.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">One possible limitation which I think we may want to consider is whether non-binding IRPs (see Bylaw 4.3(x)(iv)) should be appealable.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:51.75pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:90.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Courier New"">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Additionally, in this respect, is it within our remit to consider whether non-binding IRPs should constitute precedent?
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<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><i><span lang="EN-US"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Is there ambiguity regarding a standing panel’s ability to ‘adjudicate’ a stay of ICANN action or just to ‘recommend’ a stay? See Bylaws 4.3(o) and 4.3(p). If there is ambiguity, is there anything within our remit to help clarify?
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<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><i><span lang="EN-US"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:38.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Finally, with respect to the Rule 4 (Time for Filing) issue that we are currently discussing, should we clarify that the rule we eventually develop is either an affirmative defense that ICANN can raise, or not, as it sees fit or,
alternatively, a firm matter of standing that the panel should invoke on its own without exemption, subject only to the savings language that Sam and Liz are working on?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">David</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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