<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I will certainly try keep it civil Susan<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I should indicate that I am extremely gruntled. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My time spent on the board was shorter than my time in the community (where I remain involved), so I am not sure why that period is particularly relevant.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The IOT has had the benefit of input from several people involved (as participants and as counsel) in various accountability processes (including IRPs).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There seems to be two groupings (from those involved in previous accountability processes) that I have observed:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ol class="MailOutline"><li class="">participants who are trying to improve ICANN’s accountability and the accountability mechanisms, and by improving ICANN’s accountability we will thus reduce the frequency with which those mechanisms need to be used; and</li><li class="">participants who seem not to care about improving accountability but rather are intent on reducing any possible obstacle or barrier to the use of accountability mechanisms - presumably to ease litigation and generate more fees.</li></ol><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is of course a small third group (who may not have actually been involved in any processes, other than as observers and critics) who seem intent on excoriating ICANN (whether justified or not) for its actions and inactions perceived to not accord with that group’s world view.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was merely pushing back at the views of that second and third group. Otherwise we allow them to create an issue where none exists. I would welcome input from anyone who is not a litigant or perpetual critic to find out if this is indeed a real issue?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise I would like to get back to David McAuley’s thread before it was side-tracked.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Jul 2021, at 19:19, Susan Payne <<a href="mailto:susan.payne@comlaude.com" class="">susan.payne@comlaude.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Please let’s try to keep things civil gents.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I think it is appropriate for us to look at what the Bylaws say on this point and assess whether the rules are consistent.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">If others in the group have experience of whether this fee becomes the subject of a cost-award at the end of the process that would seem to be relevant additional information.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Many thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Susan<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class="">Susan Payne<br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light"; color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">Head of Legal Policy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class="">Com Laude<br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light"; color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">T</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light";" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+44 (0) 20 7421 8250<br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light"; color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">Ext</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light";" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>255</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class=""><br class=""></span><a href="https://comlaude.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold"; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D77F26.1E48EEE0"><image001.png></span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IOT <<a href="mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh via IOT<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>22 July 2021 17:20<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am quite sure the purpose of this group is to enhance ICANN's woefully deficient, so-called Accountability Mechanisms -- not to provide a platform for disgruntled and snarky former ICANN Board members to denigrate legitimate concerns expressed by any member of the community.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Back to the substance, fwiw, ICDR calls it an 'administrative fee' -- thus indicating it is a fee for administration of the IRP, which the plain language of the Bylaws require ICANN to pay for. More importantly, whatever the fee is called, the real question is whether ICANN should force claimants to pay $6,000 merely for the entry fee to file an IRP case? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Even from ICANN's point of view, that seems a really bad idea since court proceedings can be brought much more cheaply. From the community's point of view, I think it is a substantial and intentional barrier that ICANN has created in order to stifle the ability of claimants merely to file a case.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I think it is well within the group's purview to discuss the issue, and ideally to make a Rule, in accord with the plain language of the Bylaws, that ICANN shall pay all ICDR administrative fees -- except possibly a nominal filing fee much closer to $400 than to $6000.<br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="height: 20.25pt;" class=""><td rowspan="4" style="border-style: none solid none none; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(0, 133, 61); padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: center;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0cm;" class=""><span id="cid:image002.jpg@01D77F26.1E48EEE0"><image002.jpg></span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td><td colspan="2" valign="top" style="border: none; padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style="height: 18pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">address:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">548 Market Street, Box 55819</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">San Francisco, CA 94104</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">email:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 24pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">phone:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">+1 (415) 738-8087</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 2:20 AM Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I was quite sure the purpose of this group was to improve and finalise processes - rather than affording a platform for a disgruntled litigant to ventilate their/their client’s issues?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I also think there is a huge difference between ICANN bearing the costs of “maintaining the IRP mechanism” and ICANN bearing the costs of a party launching an IRP (that is not a Community IRP). At least that is my plain reading of the language. The alternative reading would require ICANN to maintain a deposit with the ICDR just in case a potential IRP arises. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If my learned friend wants to suggest any wriggling, I would recommend he proposes a change to the bylaws to revise the current language - which to my mind does not (on a plain reading) lead to the conclusions to which both my learned colleagues have leapt, with Olympic gold medal winning distances.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 22 Jul 2021, at 01:31, Mike Rodenbaugh via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Really. Perhaps ICANN wants to try to explain it to this group...<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I requested ICANN to pay that fee in the .hotel IRP, they refused. I asked the so-called Emergency Panelist to require ICANN to pay it, he refused (subject to review by the full IRP panel, just recently appointed). I will continue to ask....<br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="height: 20.25pt;" class=""><td rowspan="4" style="border-style: none solid none none; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(0, 133, 61); padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0cm;" class=""><span id="cid:image004.jpg@01D77F26.1E48EEE0"><image004.jpg></span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td><td colspan="2" valign="top" style="border: none; padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 18pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">address:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">548 Market Street, Box 55819</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">San Francisco, CA 94104</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">email:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 24pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">phone:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">+1 (415) 738-8087</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:46 AM Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:Malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Really?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From Section 4.3:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white;" class="">(r) </span>ICANN<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white;" class=""> shall bear all the administrative costs of maintaining the IRP mechanism, including compensation of Standing Panel members. Except as otherwise provided in Section 4.3(e)(ii), each party to an IRP proceeding shall bear its own legal expenses, except that </span>ICANN<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white;" class=""> shall bear all costs associated with a Community IRP, including the costs of all legal counsel and technical experts. Nevertheless, except with respect to a Community IRP, the IRP Panel may shift and provide for the losing party to pay administrative costs and/or fees of the prevailing party in the event it identifies the losing party's Claim or defense as frivolous or abusive.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To me, that expresses a clear rule that the costs of the IRP itself are picked up by ICANN, that Claimants other than the EC pay the cost of their own professional advice and representation, and ICANN also covers those costs for the EC.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is ICANN’s excuse for wriggling out of this?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IOT <<a href="mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh via IOT<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 July 2021 19:03<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As for other issues, I had posted an email re IRP Fees last Sept. Now the fee is $6,750 merely to initiate an IRP at the ICDR. I think that is an administrative fee that the Bylaws require ICANN to pay. But ICANN denies that, and forces claimants to pay it. I think it should cost far less to file a challenge to an ICANN decision. Note that it costs just $400 to file a lawsuit in U.S. federal court.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also, we should discuss when an RFR is 'summarily dismissed' by the BAMC, which has only happened very rarely in the past. But it appears very unclear how or when such a dismissal can or must be challenged. And so that is another scenario that needs review by this group, imho.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Mike</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr style="height: 20.25pt;" class=""><td rowspan="4" style="border-style: none solid none none; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(0, 133, 61); padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0cm;" class=""><~WRD0001.jpg></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></td><td colspan="2" valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 20.25pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style="height: 18pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">address:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 18pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">548 Market Street, Box 55819</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">San Francisco, CA 94104</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">email:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 12.75pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 24pt;" class=""><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 3.6pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 133, 61);" class="">phone:</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p></td><td valign="top" style="padding: 5pt; height: 24pt; overflow: hidden;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">+1 (415) 738-8087</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:51 AM Susan Payne via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hi David</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you for your thoughtful email. I will respond in writing as a follow up, but hope we will be able to also consider these suggestions on the upcoming call.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">For convenience, hopefully, I have made a very light-touch update to the short slide deck we have been using to frame the discussion on tolling – to correct a few areas of ambiguity that came up on the last call, as promised. These are noted in red.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The updated version is attached and we can review this on the call.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Speak to those who are able to make it shortly.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Susan</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class="">Susan Payne<br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light"; color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">Head of Legal Policy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class="">Com Laude<br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light"; color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">T</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins Light";" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+44 (0) 20 7421 8250<br class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 7, 52);" class="">Ext</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>255</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold";" class=""><br class=""></span><a href="https://comlaude.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Poppins SemiBold"; text-decoration: none;" class=""><image001.png></span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IOT <<a href="mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>McAuley, David via IOT<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 July 2021 12:20<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">iot@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[IOT] Possible work remaining for IOT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Dear IOT colleagues,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Susan asked us to note any work items that we think remain to be done. In my personal opinion, these are possible tasks remaining beyond those mentioned by Susan on the last call:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">To develop a recall process relating to members of the standing panel – see Bylaw 4.3(j)(iii);</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">To consider the development of additional independence requirements for members of the standing panel, including<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color: white;" class="">term limits and restrictions on post-term appointment to other </span>ICANN<span style="background-color: white;" class=""> positions – see Bylaw 4.3(q)(i)(B) on conflicts of interests of members of the standing panel;</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">Do we want to establish ‘limitations’ on appeals? – see Bylaw 4.3(w) which states:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 74.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">o</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class=""><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Subject<span style="background-color: white;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to any limitations established through the Rules of Procedure, an IRP Panel decision may be appealed to the full Standing Panel sitting en banc within sixty (60) days of issuance of such decision.</span></span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 74.25pt;" class=""><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 90pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Courier New";" class="">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">One possible limitation which I think we may want to consider is whether non-binding IRPs (see Bylaw 4.3(x)(iv)) should be appealable.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 51.75pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 90pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Courier New";" class="">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">Additionally, in this respect, is it within our remit to consider whether non-binding IRPs should constitute precedent?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">Is there ambiguity regarding a standing panel’s ability to ‘adjudicate’ a stay of ICANN action or just to ‘recommend’ a stay? See Bylaws 4.3(o) and 4.3(p). If there is ambiguity, is there anything within our remit to help clarify?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><i class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 38.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">Finally, with respect to the Rule 4 (Time for Filing) issue that we are currently discussing, should we clarify that the rule we eventually develop is either an affirmative defense that ICANN can raise, or not, as it sees fit or, alternatively, a firm matter of standing that the panel should invoke on its own without exemption, subject only to the savings language that Sam and Liz are working on?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Best regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">David</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">David McAuley</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Sr International Policy & Business Development Manager</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Verisign Inc.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">703-948-4154</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" class=""></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. 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The Com Laude Group includes Nom-IQ Limited t/a Com Laude, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 5047655 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England; Valideus Limited, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 6181291 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England; Demys Limited, a company registered in Scotland with company number SC197176 and registered office at 15 William Street, South West Lane, Edinburgh, EH3 7LL Scotland; Consonum, Inc. dba Com Laude USA and Valideus USA, a corporation incorporated in the State of Washington and principal office address at Suite 332, Securities Building, 1904 Third Ave, Seattle, WA 98101; Com Laude (Japan) Corporation, a company registered in Japan with company number 0100-01-190853 and registered office at 1-3-21 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0033, Japan; Com Laude Domain ESP S.L.U., a company registered in Spain and registered office address at Calle Barcas 2, 2, Valencia, 46002, Spain. 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