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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I was not part of the small group looking at this rule and have no view on the scenarios that may have been considered in regard to this rule.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However, I am concerned that the amendment has the potential for an unintended knock-on effect on matters outside this rule.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The amendment refers to a person
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“material interest relevant to the DISPUTE but does not satisfy the standing requirements for a CLAIMANT”</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What is the scope for such a person to exist?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A Claimant may be “any legal or natural person, group, or entity including, but not limited to the EC, a Supporting Organization, or an Advisory Committee that has been materially affected by a Dispute”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Wouldn’t a person with “a material interest
<i>relevant to</i> the dispute” be considered to have been “materially affected <i>
by”</i> the dispute? By adding this language, you may imply that the answer is no.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The problem with such apparent conflicts of natural language is that they invite the tribunal (in this case, the IOT) to look for nuances that aren’t there, and to attempt to resolve the conflict
by creating artificially narrow and technical distinctions that may bear no relation to what was originally intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think the intent here is to cast the net of this rule 25 more broadly than we understand Claimants to be, not to narrow the scope of eligibility as a Claimant. Perhaps we need some further clarifying
language so as to ensure that is indeed the effect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I look forward to discussion of this point tonight,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Malcolm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#7030A0;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> Malcolm Hutty | Director, Legal and Policy<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Payne via IOT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2023 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kristina Rosette <krosette@gmail.com>; iot@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IOT] Today's Call - Draft Rule 7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kristina, thanks so much for spotting this. It looks as though the Google Docs version that was circulated is an earlier draft and therefore does not capture a few of the changes that the small
team subsequently discussed, including those you have flagged. They are captured in the Word attachments dated 12 July, which we will work off during our upcoming call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All – Flip has added some comments to the clean (non-redline) Word doc and circulated earlier today. We will therefore work off this version for the call (attached). We will also have the redline
version available should we need it (also attached) but as previously mentioned it is quite difficult to read so less easy to work from.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Our agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Review agenda and updates to SOIs<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Action items: Rule 3 panel selection<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Review and discussion of the small team’s proposed revision to Rule 7<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">AOB<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Next call 8 August tbc<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Poppins SemiBold"">Susan Payne
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristina Rosette via IOT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2023 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> iot@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IOT] Today's Call - Draft Rule 7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With apologies, I will miss today's call. I'll be in transit from North Carolina after my son's college baseball season.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was part of the team working on this proposed draft rule 7. I support it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It appears that the circulated draft may have inadvertently omitted two proposed changes to section 25 (amicus curiae). I had proposed the following change to 25(i) to restrict its breadth given the existence of 25(ii)-(iv). It was my understanding
that the small team supported this change: <o:p></o:p></p>
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25(i): A person, group or entity that participated in an underlying proceeding (a process-specific expert panel per ICANN Bylaws, Article 4, Section 4.3(b)(iii)(A)(3))<b><u>, the outcome of which is material and relevant to the DISPUTE. </u></b> [proposed
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<p class="MsoNormal">The team also discussed a proposed change to 25 that would clarify the purpose of amicus curiae to provide guidance to the Panel, the community and potential amicus curiae. It was my understanding that the majority of the small team supported
this change.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">25. <span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Any person, group or entity that has a material interest relevant to the DISPUTE but does not satisfy the standing requirements for a CLAIMANT set forth in the Bylaws may participate as
an amicus curiae before an IRP PANEL, subject to the limitations below. <b><u>The purpose of participation as an amicus curiae is to assist the IRP PANEL by offering information, expertise or insight that has bearing on the issues in DISPUTE, which is between
ICANN and the CLAIMANT</u></b>. Without limitation to the persons, groups or entities that may have such a material interest, the following persons, groups, or entities shall be deemed to have a material interest relevant to the DISPUTE and, upon request of
person, group or entity seeking to so participate, shall be permitted to participate as an amicus before the IRP PANEL: [proposed change in bold and underline]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-*-<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kristina <o:p></o:p></p>
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