[IRT.RegDataPolicy] [Ext] RE: Additional Thoughts Re yesterday's Rec. 7 discussion
Sarah Wyld
swyld at tucows.com
Tue Sep 3 13:01:57 UTC 2019
Hello team,
Re the question of which version of the Matrix we should refer to, I
would say we should use version 1.8, as this is the most recent and up
to date version. I think the link to 1.4 was a drafting error that can
be ignored.
Thanks,
--
Sarah Wyld
Domains Product Team
Tucows
+1.416 535 0123 Ext. 1392
On 8/30/2019 2:19 PM, Dennis Chang wrote:
>
> Dear IRT,
>
>
>
> To spur continued IRT discussion on Rec 7, clarify potential
> confusion, and align assumptions, I am asking two questions.
>
>
>
> Question 1: In consideration of Mark’s comment below, “workbooks
> themselves are non-definitive (p171),” should the workbook used to
> guide the requirement for our policy?
>
> Here is the full paragraph from p171. “Further, the citation of the
> Workbooks in Recommendation #7 should be removed. The agreed aggregate
> data set is presented in the text of the Recommendation as that was
> the agreed-upon text. The Workbooks are informational and should not
> be incorporated by reference.
>
>
> Question 2: If the answer is yes to the question above, can the IRT
> agree to accept the version 1.8 found in the wiki rather than the
> version 1.4 that the Final Report links to?
>
> It’s important that the IRT’s decision on this be documented here.
> Please note that
> “20 Feb - Data Elements Matrix_v1.8.xlsx
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/96207076/Data%20Elements%20Matrix_v1.8.xlsx?version=1&modificationDate=1550683203000&api=v2>”
> is the last entry found on the Data Elements Workbooks page:
> https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/e.+Data+Elements+Workbooks
>
>
>
> Please reply with your answers, comments, or question.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Chang
>
>
>
> *From: *"Mark Svancarek (CELA)" <marksv at microsoft.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 2:20 PM
> *To: *theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl>, "Anderson, Marc"
> <mcanderson at verisign.com>, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang at icann.org>,
> "irt.regdatapolicy at icann.org" <irt.regdatapolicy at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] RE: [IRT.RegDataPolicy] Additional Thoughts Re
> yesterday's Rec. 7 discussion
>
>
>
> I note that RySG says that the workbooks themselves are non-definitive
> (p171). So even though the data elements matrix document is on the
> “workbooks wiki”, it’s the matrix document rather than the workbooks
> themselves which should be used, I think.
>
>
>
> For clarity we should use the Data Elements Matrix document v1.8, if
> in fact that is the final version.
>
>
>
> *From:*IRT.RegDataPolicy <irt.regdatapolicy-bounces at icann.org> *On
> Behalf Of *theo geurts
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:54 AM
> *To:* Anderson, Marc <mcanderson at verisign.com>;
> dennis.chang at icann.org; irt.regdatapolicy at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IRT.RegDataPolicy] Additional Thoughts Re yesterday's
> Rec. 7 discussion
>
>
>
> Thanks for keeping us on the same page and on track Marc.
>
> I think your suggestion to stick with the workbooks from the final
> report makes the most sense.
>
> Theo
>
> On 8-8-2019 20:25, Anderson, Marc via IRT.RegDataPolicy wrote:
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> IPT and IRT members,
>
>
>
> The version 1.4 of the Data Elements Matrix that Margie references
> is an old version. The correct final version of the Data Elements
> Matrix is 1.8 and can be found on the Data Elements Workbooks page
> of the ePDP wiki:
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>
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> https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/e.+Data+Elements+Workbooks
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> In looking at the final report, I see that the link provided for
> “illustrative purposes” at the end of recommendation #7 (page 10)
> goes to the old version 1.4 of the Data Elements Matrix. I hadn’t
> noticed this before as I have been referring exclusively to the
> Data Element workbooks found in Appendix D (which start on page 92
> of the Final Report).
>
>
>
> I suggest everyone make sure you are looking at the correct
> version 1.8 of the Data Elements Matrix, or better yet stick with
> the workbooks contained in the Final Report (Appendix D). These
> are consistent with version 1.8 of the Matrix document.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Marc
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>
>
>
>
> *From:*IRT.RegDataPolicy <irt.regdatapolicy-bounces at icann.org>
> <mailto:irt.regdatapolicy-bounces at icann.org>*On Behalf Of *Margie
> Milam
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:07 PM
> *To:* Dennis Chang <dennis.chang at icann.org>
> <mailto:dennis.chang at icann.org>; IRT.RegDataPolicy
> <irt.regdatapolicy at icann.org> <mailto:irt.regdatapolicy at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [IRT.RegDataPolicy] Additional Thoughts Re
> yesterday's Rec. 7 discussion
>
>
>
> Hi All –
>
>
>
> After our IRT call, I reread Rec 7 and the supporting appendices,
> per Marc A’s suggestion. Rec 7 links to the Data Elements Matrix
> on Page 10 (attached for your convenience) , which clearly
> describes what data is required to be transferred to the registry
> from the registrar, and what data is optional.
>
> The 3^rd page of the Data Elements Matrix (Transfer from
> Registrar to Registry), clearly notes an R (Required) for the
> contact data fields that are required to be transferred, which
> include all of the registrant contacts except for:
>
> * the Org field
> * the Tech Contact Name and Email Address ,
>
> which are listed as O-RNH (Optional for the Registered Name
> Holder) for the purposes listed on the matrix (including, Purpose 2).
>
>
>
> As a result, the new policy continues the “thick WHOIS”
> requirements and our implementation needs to be consistent with
> Thick WHOIS, especially in light of the Board’s resolution and
> its anguage in the scorecard.
>
>
>
> Also, please note that this data elements matrix is also relevant
> to our prior discussion regarding what “optional” means with
> regard to the Tech Contact and the Org Contact in Rec. 5, footnote
> 7. Rec 5 also links to this Data Elements Matrix, and clarifies
> whether a field is optional to the registrar, registry or
> registered name holder. Since the data elements of Tech Field and
> Org Field are clearly marked as O-RNH and do not include O-Rr
> (Optional for Registrar), our prior conclusions on Rec .5 need to
> be revisited in light of this documentation.
>
>
>
> I propose we discuss this at our next IRT meeting.
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>
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> All the best,
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>
>
> Margie
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