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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks, I made a note to include this as a future agenda item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">James Galvin <galvin@elistx.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 20 December 2021 at 22:14<br>
<b>To: </b>"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lewisroca.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Jothan Frakes <jothan@jothan.com>, NCAP Discussion Group <ncap-discuss@icann.org>, Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Draft Final Proposed Workflow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Anne,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I’ve been thinking about your question. I will offer my own perspective and would welcome comments from others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On the one hand, the case study that was done for .corp, .home, .mail, lan., .local, and .internal could provide all the information the Board needs to make a decision, in part because the Board might choose to
make its decision based on the 2021 overall process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On the other hand, you’re right, the Board could choose to exercise explicitly the workflow framework we’re proposing and use that to make its final decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So, whether or not we should recommend a pilot is a good question for further discussion. It’d be great if folks would contribute some thoughts here, on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regardless, please do keep the question in mind and make sure we don’t forget to revisit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Jennifer, would you please capture this question for our agenda?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On 15 Dec 2021, at 14:41, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Jim. I probably should have brought this up on the call but is it possible that the DG should be recommending that ICANN test the
system of controlled interruption we are endorsing on strings that were previously applied-for in 2012 and not delegated due to Name Collision issues? I believe that some of those applications have never been withdrawn – e.g. in relation to .corp, .home,
and .mail - and if the framework that evolves from the DG is accepted and moves forward, it would seem that those stings might provide good “test cases” of the types of controlled interruption we are recommending, e.g. a type of “pilot” for the Board to consider.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#777777">James Galvin <galvin@elistx.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2021 11:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lewisroca.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jothan Frakes <jothan@jothan.com>; NCAP Discussion Group <ncap-discuss@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Draft Final Proposed Workflow</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Anne,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Speaking personally, while I agree with the sentiment I have to be honest and point out that I don’t think we’ll be able to fully achieve this, in part because
we know we won’t be able to have a full picture of name collisions until after controlled interruption. We know this from the Data Sensitivity Analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">The applicant will have a partial view of the risk of applying based on their review of the public information that ICANN will publish (and in fact already are).
Currently, an applicant will have to make this determination themselves, i.e., there won’t be any advice from ICANN or the Board on this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Speaking as a co-Chair, there may very well be some “business issues” to be discussed that will need to find a home, since these will be out of scope for NCAP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">On 8 Dec 2021, at 16:59, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I think this discussion gets to the point that Tom Barrett was trying to make on today’s call – that there should be a technical mechanism
for informing a potential applicant of the degree of risk of non-award of the contract at some point before application is made and a large application fee is paid. In other words, if the potential applicant has a way to assess name collision risk as “high”,
then the applicant may not waste resources on that particular string. This is consistent with the notion coming out of the Sub Pro Final Report which resulted in a Recommendation to the Board that a DO NOT APPLY list be developed prior to the launch of the
next round.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Otherwise, we are saying “go ahead and develop your business plan and pay your application fee and later if name collision risk is too high
and the string can’t be delegated, you might get a partial or total refund.” That seems like something that should be avoided.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#777777">NCAP-Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of</b> James Galvin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jothan Frakes <<a href="mailto:jothan@jothan.com">jothan@jothan.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> NCAP Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Draft Final Proposed Workflow</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">An important distinction to make is whether we are using “delegation” in a technical sense or a business sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">In a technical sense, you are correct. A string must be delegated (be present in the root zone) in order for controlled interruption and enhanced controlled interruption
to work. And, if there is an issue created as a result of name collisions then the delegation must be withdrawn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">This is separate and independent from the business decision of deciding to delegate a proposed TLD string to a particular registry operator, which if successful
would also require a technical delegation in order for the string “to work”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">The technical delegation is part of the due diligence process. There is no change in predictability to an applicant as compared to the application process as a
whole.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Since you mention “applicant” in the context of your question I believe you’re asking about business delegation and that is out of scope for this working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#777777">On 1 Dec 2021, at 14:43, Jothan Frakes wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Is this contemplating a scenario where a TLD would get revoked _after_ it is delegated due to some NC issue? <br>
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Attached is a PDF of the slides describing the workflow for those who don’t have ready access to the Shared Drive.<br>
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This is now draft final, which means we will start to progress producing our final work product based on this. We’ll talk more about this today.<br>
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Jim<br>
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