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<body><div style="font-family: sans-serif;"><div class="plaintext" style="white-space: normal;"><p dir="auto">I agree Anne that that’s a logical conclusion. At least, that’s what I believe given the data we have at hand. I’m certainly open to being educated to some other point of view.</p>
<p dir="auto">Jim</p>
<br><p dir="auto">On 21 Feb 2022, at 15:28, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:</p>
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From: NCAP-Discuss <ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of James Galvin<br>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 12:45 PM<br>
To: NCAP Discussion Group <ncap-discuss@icann.org><br>
Subject: [NCAP-Discuss] why enhanced controlled interruption - not legal</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Speaking as co-Chair:</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">This discussion of the purpose and value of enhanced controlled interruption is essential. As a group we need to understand all points of view, make sure to defend any choice we make, and mention relevant counterpoints so the community understands why we made our choice.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Toward that end I want to remind us that this is a technical group and we ultimately will make the best technical choice we can based on the data we have at hand.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">There are legal questions associated with the use of enhanced controlled interruption. There are related business, privacy, and liability questions. These questions have very limited scope in our work. It is appropriate for us to note the questions and suggest future study of them, but in general it is not within scope for us to resolve them.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Let’s remind ourselves as to why enhanced controlled interruption (ECI) is part of our currently proposed solution.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">We have been asked to provide guidance on how to assess name collisions and consider what mitigation and remediation might be possible. The data we have tells us the following.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Those two facts alone tell us the development of a mitigation and remediation plan is problematic at best.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-style-priority: 99; mso-style-link: 'Plain Text Char'; margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">ECI exists because it is currently the only mechanism that has been proposed to obtain sufficient information to develop a mitigation or remediation plan. We can certainly note the additional risks that the ICANN Board will need to consider, that are outside the technical scope of our work.</p>
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