<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks Jeff,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And knowing a thing or two about how Jothan and the PSL like to work, pre-notification actually fits in the model, so wouldn’t even be a “stretch”. I concur with your analysis and conclusions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rod<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Jeff Schmidt via NCAP-Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org" class="">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Team:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rolling-up and sharing a number of conversations recently:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Public Suffix List (PSL) (<a href="https://publicsuffix.org/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://publicsuffix.org/</a>) is a volunteer-maintained list of TLDs and “TLD-like” domains like .<a href="http://com.cc/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">com.cc</a>, .<a href="http://co.uk/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;" class="">co.uk</a>, etc. PSL is lovingly maintained by Jothan and a small group of folks for quite a while now. The uses of PSL vary widely. There are several other similar projects that effectively maintain lists of TLD-like things for one reason or another.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I believe it is a Finding for NCAP that such projects exist and have lose and widely varying relationships with the collisions phenomenon.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">PSL typically populates itself in one of two ways: (1) Observing IANA actions; and (2) Voluntary submissions. In the case of new gtlds, absent advance notification from ICANN/TRT, PSL would find out about the TLD at the time of an IANA action (the first trial delegation by the TRT). I think there is only one NCAP consideration beyond the Finding – should ICANN/TRT “pre-advise” PSL (causing PSL publication prior to IANA action), or simply remain silent and allow PSL to pick it up in normal course?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Like everything Collisions, there is no clear choice and arguments could be made either way. Issues related to end software updates against PSL snapshots and the associated time lags are both unknowable and fortunately out of our remit.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Going back to first principals, we want to:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">(1) Not hurt anything (beyond the intentionally designed notification interruptions)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">(2) Notify those potentially impacted<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">(3) Collect data<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">While I don’t know precisely all the ways folks use PSL, I can imagine the scenario we’re most interested in is software that analyzes a domain name looking thing to determine if it should use DNS to resolve it or do “something else” with it (perhaps like sending it to search or another resolution mechanism). Given that, since all our assumptions and processes are predicated on the potentially colliding strings being queried in the DNS, I think we should pre-advise the PSL as soon as practical and leave it at that.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thx,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Jeff<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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