<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Matt,<div><br></div><div>It means the following paths make sense to me:</div><div><br></div><div>1 -> end</div><div>1 -> 2 -> end</div><div>1 -> 3 -> end</div><div>1 -> 3 -> 4 -> end</div><div><br></div><div>But these ones don’t:</div><div><br></div><div>1 -> 2 -> 3 -> end</div><div>1 -> 2 -> 4 -> end</div><div>1 -> 2 -> 3-> 4-> end</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Rubens</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Em 1 de dez. de 2023, à(s) 05:09, Thomas, Matthew <mthomas@verisign.com> escreveu:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Rubens,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">I’m not sure I grok the last statement of “</span>don’t see any value of doing (2) before doing (3) or (4)…<span lang="EN-US">”. The very first thing you said was “</span>Depending on the results of (1), end here, go with (2) and end there, or go with (3<span lang="EN-US">)” which seems to be contradictory. Can you elaborate for clarity?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Matt</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">NCAP-Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org">ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Rubens Kuhl via NCAP-Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>><br><b>Reply to:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, 1 December 2023 at 00:07<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"ncap-discuss@icann.org" <ncap-discuss@icann.org><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Workflow methods<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Em 30 de nov. de 2023, à(s) 13:59, Matt Larson <matt.larson@icann.org> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Nov 29, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: HelveticaNeue, serif;">This is why I was suggesting a few calls ago that if the user experience is the same for (2) and (3), why don't we just skip to (3), so we also get better data?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(i.e., skipping controlled interruption and going directly to reject all)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The user experience between (2) and (3) might be the same (or essentially the same), but to channel Jeff Schmidt, there is notification value in the returned value of 127.0.53.53 for those administrators who investigate a failure, see that IP address, and do a Google search.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The other thing that controlled interruption has going for it was that we’ve already used the technique many times and it didn’t break the Internet.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">FWIW, the sequences I imagined with (1) to (4) were like this:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(1) - For all TLDs<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Depending on the results of (1), end here, go with (2) and end there, or go with (3). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(3) For TLDs that justified that based on the results of (1)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Depending on the results of (3), go with (4) or end here. And ending could either mean “ok for delegation” or “not ok for delegation”. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(4) For TLDs that justified that based on the results of (3)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Depending on the results of (4): ending with root zone removal in case of “too risky” or not having root zone removal in case of “ok for delegation”. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I don’t see any value of doing (2) before doing (3) or (4)…<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Rubens</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>