[Neobrahmigp] IP-Response-on-Devanagari LGR Proposal
Akshat Joshi
akshatj at cdac.in
Tue May 1 14:39:25 UTC 2018
Dear Dr. Rao,
Thank you for your comment. And yes, any comment on Devanagari LGR is not
out-of-date till the time it finally gets published. :)
Regarding your analysis about Rule 2 and Rule 7, there is some problem in the
interpretation of it as I see.
Rule 2 provides left context to H, i.e. it put conditions on what can come
before H. It does not speak of what can come on right of it. This means that any
valid start of an aksar I,e, C and V can come after it.
Rule 7 is to provide right context to H, i.e. it puts conditions on what can
come after H. And thereby restricts a V from coming after H.
Given the above understanding of the rules, they are kind of are mutually
exclusive. Hence both are required.
As far as example “आम्अचार” is concerned, if I recall correctly, this example
has come from Nepali in which it is quite frequent. Also, even if it is quite
rare, it does not matter in our analysis as we are not making rules that bind
the meaning of the words. One can and should be able to make any possible label
as long as the label is valid as per akshar syntax and do not introduce any
ambiguities as per the LGR Procedure requirements.
Please do respond back if you think your point is still not addressed.
Regards,
Akshat Joshi
On April 30, 2018 at 10:32 PM Uma Maheshwar G <guraohyd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Akshat, Congratulations for the realization of the final version with
> all the accessories. I am sure Devanagari LGR would remain a model for all
> NBGP LGRs. I went through it with a great interest. It may not be out of
> date if I can raise a point that needs some clarification.
> Sorry for this late observation: In my view the following requires to be
> reviewed in Devanagari LGR.
> Comment on WLE rule in Devanagari LGR:
> In the presence of the following Rule
> 2. H: must be preceded by C or CN of WLE rules:
>
>
> the Rule: “7. V: Can NOT be preceded by H (details in "Case of V preceded by
> H") “ is only redundant or vacuous and in my view it shall be with drawn.
> Rule 2. Can be interpreted as cases like syllables of CH, CNH are valid and
> all other, such as *VH, *XH, MH, BH, DH are invalid and similarly, *HV, *HC,
> *HCN, *HM, *HB, *HD are also invalid. Thus, the outcome of the rule 7 i.e. *HV
> is redundant.
> And if this is true then the sub list of valid and invalid labels as per the
> WLE rules of the following shall be withdrawn.
>
> #Valid - Case of "V: Can NOT be preceded by H (details in "Case of V preceded
> by H")"
> Since the Devanagari LGR stands as the reference model for all other Indian
> LGRs it needs to be cleared of such redundancy.
> The
> following cases hardly occur and hardly acceptable.
> #Invalid
> - Case of "V: Can NOT be preceded by H (details in "Case of V preceded by H")"
> आम्अचार a compound where the Halant is unnecessary.
> स्वागत्आपका two words in sequence, where the first word must end by a
> boundary. -gurao
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Akshat Joshi <akshatj at cdac.in
> <mailto:akshatj at cdac.in> > wrote:
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> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Please find attached, modified Devanagari LGR document with all the
> > changes as suggested by IP accommodated/responded to. This is accompanied
> > with following files.
> > 1. Devanagari LGR modified XML file. ( modified as per IP feedback and
> > additional Bengali cross-script variants)
> > 2. Test Labels file (with more labels covering almost entire
> > character-set, all the exclusion code-points) (Thanks to Neha Gupta for
> > this.)
> > 3. A separate file that contains the labels that produce variants.
> > 4. Response to IP for each of the individual changes suggested by them.
> >
> > As discussed during the F2F I have added the possible Bengali
> > cross-script variants in Devanagari.
> >
> > Additional text regarding ZWJ and ZWNJ has also been added which can (and
> > most probably should) be used by all the other script LGRs (Last paragraph
> > of Point 4.1.2.1 ii)
> >
> > Gurumukhi variants have also been harmonized and the tables updated
> > accordingly.
> >
> > A short paragraph describing the process of harmonization of cross-script
> > variants has also been added at the end of the point 6.5.
> >
> > While we await the responses on the mailing list for extensive
> > cross-script analysis of other scripts with Devanagari (I have already heard
> > from Malayalam, Tamil, Telugu, Gurmukhi, Bengali and Gujarati about not
> > having any additional cases of cross-script variants) I have already added
> > the line in Devanagari LGR that no cases were found. As I am travelling from
> > tomorrow onwards for a week, I may have limited connectivity hence sending
> > in advance. Once we get confirmation from all the scripts (which we most
> > probably will), I request co-chairs to consider as a submission to IP.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Akshat Joshi
> >
> > On March 30, 2018 at 11:44 PM Sarmad Hussain < sarmad.hussain at icann.org
> > <mailto:sarmad.hussain at icann.org> > wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > Dear Akshat,
> > >
> > > Please find attached the following:
> > >
> > > 1) IP response for Devanagari (Proposal of 2018-01-30)
> > > 2) LGR proposal, as originally sent
> > > 3) Current associated XML
> > >
> > > You are requested to kindly consider the feedback and update the
> > > proposal accordingly. Please let us know if you have any queries.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sarmad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
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