[Npoc-discuss] Fwd: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G.
crg at isoc-cr.org
Fri Apr 22 17:06:13 UTC 2016
Dear Rudi,
please take note of these 3 e-mails from colleagues in the NCSG, as a
sample of the members that consider these accumulation of initiatives,
as important each one may be, a distraction from policy work the GNSO
council is supported to do.
I strongly believe that these initiatives would go to the CWG on IG, or
even better to ALAC, and we all at NPOC should concentrate back to the
narrow remit of the GNSO Council.
Best regards
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
+506 8837 7176
Skype: carlos.raulg
Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
Forwarded message:
> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at GATECH.EDU>
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:14:21 +0000
>
> Grace
> As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we
> have, I was against it at the time. ?
> My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and
> before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns
> and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making
> authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long
> debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed
> to do.
>
> I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too
> little to do
>
> So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal
> endorsement by NCUC, No.
>
> Milton L Mueller
> Professor, School of Public Policy
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga
> <ggithaiga at HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:ggithaiga at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously
> supported non domain issues that are internet related?
>
> Rgds
> Grace
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
> From: douglaskarel at GMAIL.COM<mailto:douglaskarel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
> To:
> NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
> Yes , +1 and Definitely!
>
> This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
>
> regards
>
> Karel
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross
> <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez G.
>> <crg at isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
>>
>> @Milton +1
>>
>>
>> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
>> +506 8837 7176
>> Skype: carlos.raulg
>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>> On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these
>>> initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many
>>> of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All
>>> does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had
>>> better stick to our basic mission.
>>>
>>> --MM
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss
>>>> [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>]
>>>> On Behalf Of
>>>> James Gannon
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>>>>
>>>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an
>>>> infrastructure related
>>>> campaign.
>>>>
>>>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that
>>>> this may be
>>>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to
>>>> endorse?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Ra?l
>>>> Guti?rrez G."
>>>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>> on behalf of crg at ISOC-CR.ORG<mailto:crg at ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could
>>>>> also be
>>>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
>>>>>
>>
>
Forwarded message:
> From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM>
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:12:59 -0400
>
> I think Milton is exactly right. We have more than enough on our
> plate in this group respecting issues that are tied to IANA policy
> that affects us all. We don’t need to become a broader policy forum
> for things that are beyond our remit. Indeed, we just spent a huge
> amount of political capital making sure that these things were outside
> the scope of what ICANN is going to do … for good reason
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul Rosenzweig
>
> <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq at redbranchconsulting.com>
> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>
> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>
> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>
> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>
> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
>
> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9>
> Link to my PGP Key
>
>
>
>
>
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Mueller, Milton L
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:14 PM
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>
>
>
> Grace
>
> As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we
> have, I was against it at the time. 😉
>
> My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and
> before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns
> and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making
> authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long
> debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed
> to do.
>
>
>
> I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too
> little to do
>
>
>
> So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal
> endorsement by NCUC, No.
>
>
> Milton L Mueller
>
> Professor, School of Public Policy
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at HOTMAIL.COM
> <mailto:ggithaiga at hotmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously
> supported non domain issues that are internet related?
>
>
>
> Rgds
>
> Grace
>
> _____
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
> From: douglaskarel at GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
> Yes , +1 and Definitely!
>
>
>
> This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> Karel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org> > wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G.
>> <crg at isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org> > wrote:
>>
>> @Milton +1
>>
>>
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> +506 8837 7176
>> Skype: carlos.raulg
>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>> On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these
>>> initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many
>>> of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All
>>> does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had
>>> better stick to our basic mission.
>>>
>>> --MM
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> ] On Behalf Of
>>>> James Gannon
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>>>>
>>>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an
>>>> infrastructure related
>>>> campaign.
>>>>
>>>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that
>>>> this may be
>>>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to
>>>> endorse?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl
>>>> Gutiérrez G."
>>>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of
>>>> crg at ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg at ISOC-CR.ORG> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could
>>>>> also be
>>>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
>>>>>
>>
>
>
>
Forwarded message:
> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA>
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:32:43 -0400
>
> +1 Lots of pdp work going on. Need help. Useful to know about this,
> distracting from main mission to spend time on formal endorsement in
> my view.
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2016-04-21 18:14, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>> Grace
>> As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we
>> have, I was against it at the time. ��
>> My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent
>> and before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse
>> campaigns and causes that are not related to our actual scope of
>> policy making authority. Some of those issues might divide us,
>> leading to long debates that detract from our ability to do the
>> things we are supposed to do.
>>
>> I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too
>> little to do
>>
>> So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal
>> endorsement by NCUC, No.
>>
>> Milton L Mueller
>> Professor, School of Public Policy
>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at HOTMAIL.COM
>> <mailto:ggithaiga at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously
>>> supported non domain issues that are internet related?
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
>>> From: douglaskarel at GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>> Yes , +1 and Definitely!
>>>
>>> This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Karel
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> > On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G.
>>> <crg at isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > @Milton +1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>> > +506 8837 7176
>>> > Skype: carlos.raulg
>>> > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>>> > On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing
>>> these initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals,
>>> and many of its members may be interested in joining in, but
>>> #Internet4All does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and
>>> I think we had better stick to our basic mission.
>>> >>
>>> >> --MM
>>> >>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>] On Behalf Of
>>> >>> James Gannon
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
>>> >>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an
>>> infrastructure related
>>> >>> campaign.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is
>>> that this may be
>>> >>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and
>>> organisations to
>>> >>> endorse?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos
>>> Raúl
>>> Gutiérrez G."
>>> >>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of
>>> crg at ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg at ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity?
>>> Could also be
>>> >>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified
>>> opinion.
>>> >>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
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