[Npoc-discuss] The new charter of NPOC - members' review

Tue Sep 17 17:41:33 UTC 2019

Hello dearest Friends,

I've joined the NPOC in late 2012 invited by our beloved and belated friend
Béranger (RIP to him). He was one of the founders of this constituency,
founded in June 2011. NPOC is the last constituency in ICANN community
ecosystem. It assemble only the représentative on not-for-profit
organisations not individuals even if those individuals are working for
themselves as a not-for-profit activists.
IMHO, an operational concern is addressed by an organization not an
individual.
Please, don't add more confusion in this atmosphere.
My 2.cents.
With my warm regards.
Olévié

Le 17 sept. 2019 12:29, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith at jhellerstein.com> a
écrit :

Hi Dave
Thanks for your comments. You obviously have not been part of a non profit
that is dysfunctional where people on leadership or as members feel that
they cannot contribute. Where the leader just does what he/she wants and
does not take advice or suggestions. I have been on these groups and others
like it. I know the struggles these people face and they would like another
outlet to get involved. If npoc accepted individual members they then could
join.

Judith

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On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:38 PM, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:

If your primary reason to be in NPOC is to not be in NCUC, you should not
be in NPOC. You should join the NCSG and not join any of its constituencies
if you do not qualify or want to be in either of them.

The NPOC mission IS to represent non-profits.

I can see some special cases for people specifically involved in
non-profits, such as someone who retired from a non-profit position or
otherwise is heavily involved in the non-profit - some provision has been
made, I think they would still be best left as observers.

The idea that we should allows individuals just to allow people who feel
more ‘aligned’ with NPOC

I also know Government people in other countries who are aligned with At
Large/NPOC but feel they cannot join either of these groups even if that is
their passion because of their employment

You know people who can’t join NPOC because they aren’t a non-profit? The
system seems to be working correctly.
Honesty the argument that we should allow people who work to the government
to join because of their ‘alignment with At Large/NPOC’ has strongly
convinced me that we shouldn’t.

David

On 13 Sep 2019, at 9:00 pm, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

Hi
I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in
their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are
in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is
to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc
mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to
join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not
interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an
org whom you belong to who meets your own values

Judith

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On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:

Hi Remmy,

Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't
change.  You want to be individual go NCUC.  So our mission is definitely
correct and should stay as it is.  We done with the charter for me, Roaul
did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and
dusted Remmy, time to move on.

Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work.

Thank you

Poncelet

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Raoul
> Nice to have this mission added.
>
> However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have
> consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the
> mission statement.
> Regards for now
> Remmy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from
>> the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of
>> the charter.
>>
>> "1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by
>> addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains
>> (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of
>> the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission.
>> Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual
>> Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as
>> transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."
>>
>> I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I
>> could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above
>> mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the
>> review process. Enjoy your weekend!
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello dearest.all.
>>> Thanks you for the update Raoul.
>>> I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now.
>>> You're welcome.
>>> Regards.
>>> Olévié
>>>
>>> Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear members of NPOC,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have
>>>>> one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for
>>>>> taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it.
>>>>> After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to
>>>>> ICANN law for a review.
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOAbxo/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also
>>>>> happens to be Friday. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but
>>>>> it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before
>>>>> passing it for you to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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