[Npoc-discuss] The new charter of NPOC - members' review

Thu Sep 19 22:15:11 UTC 2019

Hi Judith and Raoul

Thanks for the discussion.
If its for observers purpose can we then be specific because in the near
future most of us may not be there to start explanation or interpretation
in this regard.
I really don't know the haste in closing discussion. For goodness sake we
are discussing our charter and this is comment period.
Instead of asking for closure, can we allow the comment period to elapse
naturally.
Its better we discuss matters arising from the charter than endless
interpretation there after.
I salute.
Remmy

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> HI Raoul
>
> Yes this is a good solution to people who want to get active in NPOC and
> work to further NPOC's goals but cannot for a variety of reasons. The key
> here is to have observers be added to the email list serve so they can
> participate.
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
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> Hellerstein & Associates
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> On 9/19/2019 6:12 AM, Raoul Plommer wrote:
>
> Hi Judith, Dave and others,
>
> We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC
> more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more
> structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter
> even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in
> NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working
> for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.
>
> The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some
> extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organisation as a
> member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of
> this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it
> would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an
> illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal
> than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an
> illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This
> consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC
> and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Poncelet and all
>>> I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I
>>> was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing
>>> corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory
>>> contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no
>>> plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter
>>> devoid of ambiguity.
>>>
>>> For instance, this charter states inter alia:
>>>
>>> *3.1 Eligible Members*
>>> The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations.
>>> NPOC requires member
>>> organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional
>>> circumstances,
>>> *the Executive Committee allows an unregistered entity to become a
>>> member on a case by case basis.*
>>>
>>> I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is
>>> accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding
>>> is an unregistered entity.
>>>
>>> Good evening from city of Lagos.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Raoul
>>> > Nice to have this mission added.
>>> >
>>> > However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have
>>> consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the
>>> mission statement.
>>> > Regards for now
>>> > Remmy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted
>>> from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working
>>> document of the charter.
>>> >>
>>> >> "1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by
>>> addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains
>>> (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of
>>> the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission.
>>> Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual
>>> Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as
>>> transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."
>>> >>
>>> >> I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as
>>> I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above
>>> mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the
>>> review process. Enjoy your weekend!
>>> >>
>>> >> -Raoul
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello dearest.all.
>>> >>> Thanks you for the update Raoul.
>>> >>> I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now.
>>> >>> You're welcome.
>>> >>> Regards.
>>> >>> Olévié
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear members of NPOC,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to
>>> have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for
>>> taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on
>>> it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it
>>> to ICANN law for a review.
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOAbxo/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also
>>> happens to be Friday. :)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex,
>>> but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before
>>> passing it for you to review.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Raoul
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> Npoc-discuss mailing list
>>> >>>>> Npoc-discuss at icann.org
>>> >>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> Npoc-discuss mailing list
>>> >>>> Npoc-discuss at icann.org
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>>> above to change your membership status or configuration, including
>>> unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery
>>> altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>
>>>>
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> HI Raoul
>
> Yes this is a good solution to people who want to get active in NPOC and
> work to further NPOC's goals but cannot for a variety of reasons. The key
> here is to have observers be added to the email list serve so they can
> participate.
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
> Hellerstein & Associates
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>
>
> On 9/19/2019 6:12 AM, Raoul Plommer wrote:
>
> Hi Judith, Dave and others,
>
> We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC
> more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more
> structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter
> even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in
> NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working
> for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.
>
> The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some
> extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organisation as a
> member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of
> this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it
> would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an
> illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal
> than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an
> illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This
> consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC
> and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Poncelet and all
>>> I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I
>>> was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing
>>> corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory
>>> contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no
>>> plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter
>>> devoid of ambiguity.
>>>
>>> For instance, this charter states inter alia:
>>>
>>> *3.1 Eligible Members*
>>> The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations.
>>> NPOC requires member
>>> organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional
>>> circumstances,
>>> *the Executive Committee allows an unregistered entity to become a
>>> member on a case by case basis.*
>>>
>>> I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is
>>> accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding
>>> is an unregistered entity.
>>>
>>> Good evening from city of Lagos.
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Raoul
>>> > Nice to have this mission added.
>>> >
>>> > However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have
>>> consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the
>>> mission statement.
>>> > Regards for now
>>> > Remmy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted
>>> from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working
>>> document of the charter.
>>> >>
>>> >> "1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by
>>> addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains
>>> (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of
>>> the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission.
>>> Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual
>>> Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as
>>> transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."
>>> >>
>>> >> I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as
>>> I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above
>>> mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the
>>> review process. Enjoy your weekend!
>>> >>
>>> >> -Raoul
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello dearest.all.
>>> >>> Thanks you for the update Raoul.
>>> >>> I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now.
>>> >>> You're welcome.
>>> >>> Regards.
>>> >>> Olévié
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear members of NPOC,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to
>>> have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for
>>> taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on
>>> it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it
>>> to ICANN law for a review.
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOAbxo/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also
>>> happens to be Friday. :)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex,
>>> but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before
>>> passing it for you to review.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Raoul
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> Npoc-discuss mailing list
>>> >>>>> Npoc-discuss at icann.org
>>> >>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (
>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link
>>> above to change your membership status or configuration, including
>>> unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery
>>> altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> Npoc-discuss mailing list
>>> >>>> Npoc-discuss at icann.org
>>> >>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (
>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link
>>> above to change your membership status or configuration, including
>>> unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery
>>> altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>
>>>>
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