<div dir="auto">Thanks for the clarification. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 31 oct. 2019 à 14:29, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net">sam@lanfranco.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thank you Olevie for the following question. I think it is
appropriate, and I suspect we will discover that the timing of the
question is appropriate as well. <br>
</p>
<p>Olivie's question is: <font color="#800000">Please, could Sam
cited an exemple of an ICANN's SG or AC or C which are already
behaving like that ? <br>
</font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000">Here is a short
answer and it requires some thought and reflection. First,
look at the existing context of stakeholder groups within
ICANN. IPC, the contracted and non-contracted constituencies,
even GAC, represent the interests of those constituencies, and
also represent those constituencies. They have organizational
structures outside ICANN, structures to which they are
accountable. It is through those external structures,
structures that involve governance (e.g. GAC) and
institutional structures (e.g. IPC) where they pursue their
ICANN interests, and wider Internet ecosystem interests in a
an organized manner. They do not do this from within their
ICANN constituency structure. The do this from within the
organized structure that sits outside and behind their ICANN
constituency presence. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000">In contrast, as you
correctly note, NPOC is a complete creation of ICANN, its
birth prompted, at the start, by the issue of protection of
not-for-profit integrity in the DNS, an issue raised by Red
Cross and Red Crescent, (RC/RC) and one where RC/RC almost
immediately pushed NPOC to the sidelines and engaged with
ICANN at levels above NPOC and NCSG. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000">NPOC has no existence
external to ICANN, unlike other stakeholder/constituency
groups. Also, because of that NPOC does not, and cannot, speak
on behalf of the ngo/not-for-profit community. Instead, it
speak to the concerns of the ngo/not-for-profit community.
That is as it should be, since NPOC is not formally
accountable to any particular ngo/not-for-profit constituency.
We come from that constituency and we work as best we can and
in good faith trying to represent and protect the interests of
that constituency, interests that include the public good. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000">It is even the case,
in some instances, that NPOC members who serve as
representatives of ngos and non-profits are not formally held
accountable to the organizations they represent. They do not
regularly report back, or ask for direction. This is not a
criticism. In many cases the ngo/non-profit's primary mission
is not the security and stability of the DNS and it simply
expects the NPOC representative to do good work with regard to
the DNS in the interests of the public interest and the
interests of the wider ngo/non-profit community. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#800000">So
what am I asking here?</font> I am asking if the time is
ripe for NPOC to consider expanding beyond ICANN's remit, to
leave the nest and consider forming an "NPOC org" that is
external to ICANN, an org that may - depending on structure
and dynamics - play a strong role in NPOC's membership (an
issue that would require serious thought), and (more
important) be <font color="#800000">an organized stakeholder
and constituency forum, voice and force within other
Internet ecosystem forums</font> where policy and practices
are reviewed and developed. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#800000">I
know that this is a big "ask"</font>. But, given the
magnitude of the challenges coming with regard to the
technical and behavioral integrity of the Internet ecosystem,
NPOC may want to take the lead here, or it may simply wish to
let others take the lead and remain primarily a voice for the
DNS concerns of the ngo/non-profit community within ICANN's
mandate. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000"><font color="#800000">As
I say "food for thought". </font><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000"> Sam Lanfranco</font><br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div>On 10/31/2019 4:17 AM, Olivier Kouami
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Greetings everyone from Lomé Togo.
<div dir="auto">+1 @all, first.<br>
<div dir="auto">I'm following up this discussion and found it
really interesting.</div>
<div dir="auto">It's true that ICANN's interest in this IG
ecosystem is at the logical layer with a sound impact on
socio-economical layer. With the notice that most of the
infrastructure layer, wich is the basical layer of the IG
ecosystem, belong to multinationales privates companies (90%
of the all backbone).</div>
<div dir="auto">Finally, it's a struggle between the consumers
and producers.</div>
<div dir="auto">Anyway, my concern is the fact the NPOC is an
invention of the ICANN org, like so, is it really possible
to add another tasks, which are not among the goals of the
ICANN, to NPOC's charter ?</div>
<div dir="auto">Please, could Sam cited an exemple of an
ICANN's SG or AC or C which are already behaving like that
? </div>
<div dir="auto">It's my question.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thank you, in adavance, for your
clarifications.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Warm regards.</div>
<div dir="auto">Olévié</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le mer. 30 oct. 2019 à 14:46, Poncelet Ileleji
<<a href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pileleji@ymca.gm</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Spot on
Sam,
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<div>Way to go 👍🏿</div>
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<div>Poncelet <br>
<br>
On Wednesday, 30 October 2019, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>>
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<div><font size="2">Poncelet,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Thank you for your comments. I
agree that the looming crisis around Internet
Infrastructure and Sea Level Rise is not central
to ICANN's mandate, and do not see it as
occupying a central position on the ICANN
agenda. But, as multiple stakeholder
constituencies we (including ICANN and ICANN
org) have to press for greater attention
elsewhere, where stakeholder awareness and
engagement are raised with regard to such
issues.<br>
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<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">The IGF is one of those venues
and I support NPOC developing a strategy (say as
NPOC org, with an independent budget and above
and beyond its ICANN constituency existence) to
take on such tasks. <br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I remind us that this is more or
less how the other ICANN constituencies operate
outside ICANN, targeting their efforts at areas
that impact their core interests. Our interests
are two fold, the impact of the Internet
ecosystem on the NGO, not-for-profit, community
constituency, and on "the public good". Within
NPOC we focus on the DNS, but our concerns are
wider. This is a good opportunity to mature NPOC
as a concerned constituency within the
challenges facing the wider Internet ecosystem.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><<b><i>Food for though</i></b>></font><br>
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<div>Sam L.<br>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Npoc-discuss] Internet
Infrastructure and Sea Level Rise: Food/Question
for Thought<br>
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Hello Sam,
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<div>I think it’s more of an issue within the
overall internet governance domain so within
Berlin discuss we can do it. As under the realm
of ICANN we won’t get far with the discuss as it
centers on infrastructure not DNS.</div>
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<div>Our chair @Joan can see how we can promote it
within the global IGF as per NPOC and within our
regional gatherings.</div>
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<div>Just my little thoughts </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Poncelet </div>
<div><br>
On Wednesday, 30 October 2019, Sam Lanfranco
<<a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">NPOC colleagues, <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">I am raising this within
the NPOC discussion group because I want
to get a sense of whether this is an
issue that should be somewhere on the
ICANN agenda. At a minimum ICANN and its
communities are constituent stakeholders
in this issue.Most analysis sees serious
problems within 15 years. <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">Much of the Internet’s
physical infrastructure is situated in
locations close to coastal shorelines,
connected to the half-million miles of
undersea cables. New estimates of sea
level rise driven by climate change have
tripled earlier estimates of global
vulnerability to sea-level rise and
coastal flooding. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12808-z" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext"><span> </span>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12808-z</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">The impact of this on human
habitation, and human migration, will be
catastrophic. Estimates are that by
mid-century up to 340 million people
will live on land below projected annual
flood levels. Current estimates put one
billion people now occupying land less
than 10 meters above current high tide
lines, including 250 million living
below 1 meter above current high tide
lines. These populations will become a
migration tsunami. But that is not the
issue I want to raise here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><b><span lang="EN-CA">The impact of sea level
rise on the infrastructure of the
Internet ecosystem will be equally
catastrophic and is approaching fast.</span></b><span lang="EN-CA"> Rather than belaboring the
point that some action is necessary
here, I will just share a short
bibliography on the subject. <b>Do we
need a discussion?</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">Sam Lanfranco<b><br>
</b> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-CA">The Internet May Be
Underwater in 15 Years: <u><a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/07/news-internet-underwater-sea-level-rise/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/07/news-internet-underwater-sea-level-rise/</a></u></span><u><span></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span>Buried
Internet infrastructure at risk as sea
levels rise: <a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180716141627.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180716141627.htm</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span>Rising
Seas Could Cause Problems for Internet
Infrastructure <a href="https://biodiversityfunders.org/rising-seas-could-cause-problems-for-internet-infrastructure/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">https://biodiversityfunders.org/rising-seas-could-cause-problems-for-internet-infrastructure/</span></a><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span>Sea
Level Rise to Jeopardize U.S. Internet
Infrastructure In 15 Years <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2018/08/11/sea-level-rise-to-jeopardise-u-s-internet-infrastructure-in-15-years-study-says/%231fdac65a7cb0" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">https://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2018/08/11/sea-level-rise-to-jeopardise-u-s-internet-infrastructure-in-15-years-study-says/#1fdac65a7cb0</span></a></span></p>
<p><span>Internet infrastructure will be
inundated as sea levels rise: </span><u><span><a href="https://www.networkworld.com/article/3290250/internet-infrastructure-will-be-inundated-as-sea-levels-rise-says-report.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.networkworld.com/article/3290250/internet-infrastructure-will-be-inundated-as-sea-levels-rise-says-report.html</a><br>
</span></u></p>
<p><span>Key Internet Connections and
Locations are at Risk from Rising Seas:
<a href="https://www.americanscientist.org/article/key-internet-connections-and-locations-are-at-risk-from-rising-seas" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>https://www.americanscientist.org/article/key-internet-connections-and-locations-are-at-risk-from-rising-seas</span></a></span></p>
<p><span>The internet is at risk from rising
sea levels | World Economic Forum: <a href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/rising-sea-levels-are-coming-for-the-internet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/rising-sea-levels-are-coming-for-the-internet</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span>Rising
sea levels are going to mess with the
internet, sooner than you think: <a href="https://www.popsci.com/sea-level-rise-internet-infrastructure/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">https://www.popsci.com/sea-level-rise-internet-infrastructure/</span></a></span></p>
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