<div dir="ltr">Hi Raoul,<div><br></div><div>This is my last intervention on this matter.</div><div><br></div><div>"No offense, but please do as you wish if clear logic fails to clarify a grey area to you that they have an affiliation to <b>Government and Government Security apparatus(<font color="#ff0000">Home Land Security</font>)</b> which does not match our membership profile checklist of a <b><font color="#ff0000">Not-For-Profit- Organisation.</font></b>"</div><div><br></div><div>I have a lot to do with my time and I cannot be bullied to go against the charter in good conscience.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you</div><div><br></div><div>Caleb Ogundele</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:49 AM Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com">plommer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Caleb. Please read the copy paste you just sent me. Where does it conflict with the organisation in question?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Raoul </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 19:44 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_8364400030431232835m_-1755759746421334151plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">@Raoul Plommer</a> can you be less aggressive in the failed logic you are applying?<br><div><br></div><div>First, I quote you <b>" Hello Caleb, could you tell them they need to apply for the membership and where to do it?"</b></div><div><br></div><div>I ran NPOC's standard checklist for membership and they don't match:</div><div><br></div><div><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><font color="#0b5394"><b>Checklist:</b></font></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><font color="#0b5394"><b>1. The Organization is incorporated as a noncommercial entity (in countries that have such a provision in their commercial code) or, if unincorporated, or if operating in a country without provisions for noncommercial incorporation, that operates on a not‑for‑profit basis primarily for noncommercial purposes, and</b></font></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><font color="#0b5394"><b>2. Be the exclusive user of at least one domain name.</b></font></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><font color="#0b5394"><b>3. Is engaged in online activities that are primarily noncommercial, including, e.g., advocacy, educational, religious, human rights, charitable, scientific and artistic, and</b></font></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><font color="#0b5394"><b>4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of noncommercial members. (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)</b></font></p></div><div><br></div><div><ul><li>I saw Bolu's reply and thought I should help him shed more light or provide additional information on his response which we did not see but I trust his good judgment.</li><li>Secondly, responding to them with a checklist which I have done before your email was even sent to me.</li><li>My question is why would I want to enable government security agencies which go against the charter? (There was a typo in my initial email as I told you below that they were security agency and not democratic politicians. I was supposed to delete that part as i was typing from my phone)</li><li> I believe we are not in a dictatorship but a multistakeholder environment and we are guided by ICANN standard of behavior. So you cannot be saying<b> " do as you are told".</b> I believe I have the right to have a good judgment call in accessing a situation and making a good decision. This is the same way you do not want any EC members to challenge your decisions when you make them.</li><li>Lastly, Why would I want to waste the time of other NCSG EC members by activating them and telling them to go ahead and apply when eventually we will turn them down for failing to match the checklist? <br></li></ul><div><br></div><div>Please this is not a fight but Caleb applying logic to decision-making and so I would encourage us to respect each other's boundaries.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>Caleb Ogundele</div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:13 AM Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">plommer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">They're not democrats, it's the department of emergency management. Just turn them down at the application process, like everyone else. I wish you could just for once do what I ask you to do, Caleb. Thanks for taking care of this Bolutife.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Raoul </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 18:07 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span class="gmail_chip gmail_plusreply" dir="auto"><a href="mailto:adisabolutifeo@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@Bolutife Adisa</a></span><div dir="auto">Check the email and the background also... </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These are democrats politicians in the Nevada government in the US. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="min-width:150px"><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:lori.degristina@dem.nv.gov" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lori.degristina@dem.nv.gov</a></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That's one of the emails. </div><div dir="auto">See URL : <a href="https://dem.nv.gov" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dem.nv.gov</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,"helvetica neue",arial,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji","segoe ui symbol","noto color emoji";font-size:35.648px;font-weight:700;text-align:center">Nevada Division of Emergency Management / Homeland Security</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The best we can advice is that they go to GAC. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is an homeland security folks. NCSG is non commercial or non governmental in nature. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks </div><div dir="auto">Caleb Ogundele </div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu., Oct. 20, 2022, 9:59 a.m. Bolutife Adisa via NPOC-EC, <<a href="mailto:npoc-ec@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">npoc-ec@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Raoul,<div><br></div><div>I responded to them already 👍🏽.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Bolutife. <br><br><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 20. 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