FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29

Ross Wm. Rader ross at tucows.com
Thu Jun 24 16:11:37 UTC 2004


Registrars,

I just wanted to point out the fact that ICANN is extremely close to 
actually implementing the new transfer policy after many, many years of 
debate and delay.

The registries have raised valid concerns that need to be addressed 
somehow, but we must make it clear to ICANN that this must not delay the 
implementation of the policy.

The new transfer policy has a built-in review and correction mechanism 
that will easily allow us to "improve" the implementation after we 
launch it. This gives us the capability to implement v1.1, v1.2 and v1.3 
of the new rules in the same way that each of us would release new 
versions of software following an initial release. It is critical that 
we don't let potential bugs delay our release of this important policy 
any further. We could literally spend another three years crafting 
something perfect, or move forward today with something that is less 
than perfect, but certainly far preferable to the dismal policy we have 
been suffering under for the last five years.

The registries need to hear from us which makes this is an important 
phone call, but let us also make it very clear to both the registries 
and ICANN staff that this policy must be implemented without any further 
delay and allow concerns such as these to be dealt with by the due 
process that we have built into the policy.


-rwr
On behalf of Tucows




On 6/24/2004 10:25 AM Elana Broitman noted that:

> Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the
> registries' proposed undo mechanism.  Below is my note, which outlined
> some of the concerns with the proposal.  The registries state that this
> is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism
> in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer
> policy change.  They have requested our comments prior sending their
> final proposal to ICANN.
> 
> A number of you have raised concerns.  The upcoming call is with
> registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group.  ICANN is also
> invited.  The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries
> about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or
> signify agreement.
> 
> Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries
> would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may
> come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or
> additional process after this call.  
> 
> So, it is important for you to please join the call. 
> 
> I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but
> our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate
> Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S.  If
> you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of
> time and we will raise them for you.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Elana Broitman
> 
> P.S.  Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org
> [mailto:owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM
> To: registrars at dnso.org
> Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the
> changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer
> undo mechanism.  Attached is their proposal.  Let's see if we can
> discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
> 
> As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least
> costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however,
> that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may
> cause the following problems for registrars:
>  
> 1.  An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to
> its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name
> (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for
> one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per
> transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant.  There may be
> added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such
> registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
> 
> 2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and
> related products that do not match.  For example, email or hosting
> products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing
> concerns and customer confusion.  This may lead to unnecessary, customer
> unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
>  
> 3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts
> of the wrongful registrar.  Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs
> of restitution.
> 
> 4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she
> is not interested in doing so.  The registrant will have paid a fee for
> the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps
> unwittingly paid for additional years.
> 
> 5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
> 
> 6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them
> would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the
> pool for other prospective registrants.
> 
> Your comments would be appreciated.  Elana 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM
> To: Elana Broitman
> Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING at MUSEDOMA.ORG);
> 'dam at icann.org'
> Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Elana,
> 
> The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached
> approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new
> transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be
> best to discuss this with registrars.  Some of us in the gTLD Registry
> Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with
> somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we
> talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a
> registrar for lost revenue opportunity.  Because that is really an issue
> between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that
> out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to
> resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new
> transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very
> undesirable.
> 
> Chuck Gomes
> VeriSign Com Net Registry
> 


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                        -rwr








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