[registrars] RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance committee to modify ICANN Budget proposal
Jean-Michel Becar
jmbecar at gmo.jp
Thu May 20 10:33:53 UTC 2004
I reread again and again the document and talking with my colleagues we
realized that the real problem is not how to finance...the real problem
is the budget itself....100% increase and the biggest part of the
increase is paid by the registars :-(
ICANN wants to increase its budget of almost U$8M and us, registrars we
will pay U$6.4M of the increase....is it fair????
So I think we should try to find a way to make this budget revised to a
lower level:
Does ICANN really needs 59 people to operate?
Does ICANN really needs more than US$2M for Board Meetings and Other
travels? (I'm able to travel to each ICANN meeting for US$4000 ~ 5000
and I'm living in the most expensive country for the flight tickets)
Why ICANN should be involved in the IDN promotion shoudn't be the
registries?
Jean-Michel
Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I noticed that many of you have responded on the registrars list. Tom,
>Patricio etc I would urge you to also send in your responses to the budget
>public discussion forum, since those are the comments that will be used to
>whet this. So I would suggest to mark a copy to budget-comments at icann.org
>
>Best Regards
>Bhavin Turakhia
>Founder, CEO and Chairman
>DirectI
>--------------------------------------
>http://www.directi.com
>Direct Line: +91 (22) 5679 7600
>Direct Fax: +91 (22) 5679 7510
>Board Line (USA): +1 (415) 240 4172
>Board Line (India): +91 (22) 5679 7500
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>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tbarrett [mailto:tbarrett at encirca.biz]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:29 AM
>>To: 'Bhavin Turakhia'; 'Kurt Pritz'
>>Cc: 'Registrars Constituency'
>>Subject: RE: [registrars] RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance
>>committee to modify ICANN Budget proposal
>>
>>I have more point that I wanted to make before hitting the
>>"send" button.
>>
>>The ICANN budget assumes new revenue sources from cctld's,
>>registry services and new registrar accreditations.
>>
>>What happens if these revenue sources do not materialize as
>>expected? Will ICANN have already committed itself to
>>spending funds it will not receive?
>>Who will it turn to to make up for the short-fall? This is
>>why a growth cap is required.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Tom Barrett
>>EnCirca, Inc
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org
>>[mailto:owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of tbarrett
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:01 PM
>>To: 'Bhavin Turakhia'; 'Kurt Pritz'
>>Cc: 'Registrars Constituency'
>>Subject: RE: [registrars] RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance
>>committee to modify ICANN Budget proposal
>>
>>
>>I have some serious concerns about the recent ICANN budget
>>discussions.
>>
>>1. The various business models deployed by registrars should
>>not be an issue in determining the appropriate ICANN budget.
>>The registrars should not allow this to be a distraction.
>>The real issue, in my view, is to how to insure fiscal
>>discipline and accountability (to ICANN tax-payers)in the
>>ICANN budgeting process.
>>
>>2. I'm dismayed to see that ICANN staff has factored
>>registrar business models into their budgeting thinking as
>>well. The ICANN staff and board should not be using various
>>registrar business models as rationale for increased budget
>>fees. Simply put, ICANN should be developing their budget
>>based on their needs and not based on industry business
>>models that may or may not exist in a few months. This is a
>>slippery path. A more business-model-agnostic approach would
>>be to simply add a ICANN transaction tax on the fees paid by
>>the registries to ICANN.
>>
>>3. As any business person knows, there are never the
>>resources available to do everything on the budget "wish
>>list". The process of prioritizing business needs and
>>conducting "triage" is healthly for the business.
>>Providing a business unlimited funds, to do anything it wants
>>to do, is a recipe for failure. When an organization is not
>>forced to make spending trade-offs, it leads to bloat.
>>
>>Just as we registrars are forced to make hard choices to how
>>to spend our available funds, so too, ICANN needs to make
>>hard choices in how to spend its funds. This is not bad.
>>This is good and will lead to a lean and efficient ICANN.
>>
>>4. The only way ICANN will be forced to make hard choices,
>>is to deny it the full budget it is asking. There needs to
>>be a fiscal discipline and a growth cap imposed on ICANN funding.
>>
>>As a quasi-governmental body, ICANN generates funds through
>>taxes from registrars and registries. As tax-payers, we need
>>to push for a cap on the annual growth of taxes that we pay
>>to ICANN. The ICANN staff and board should agree on this
>>growth cap to help enforce fiscal discipline within the ICANN
>>organization. Without this, ICANN will not be truly
>>motivated to pursue other sources of revenue. A growth cap
>>also helps create accountability by ICANN to its tax-payers.
>>Without it, ICANN will simply come back year after year
>>asking for more money.
>>
>>Sincerely Yours,
>>
>>Tom Barrett
>>EnCirca, Inc.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org
>>[mailto:owner-registrars at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bhavin Turakhia
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:04 PM
>>To: 'Kurt Pritz'
>>Cc: 'Registrars Constituency'
>>Subject: [registrars] RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance committee
>>to modify ICANN Budget proposal
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Kurtz,
>>
>>Thanks for the fairly detailed response. I too definitely see
>>your view point and appreciate the time and effort that ICANN
>>and other participants have spent on this exercise. Trust me,
>>despite my personal passion on this subject I cannot match
>>the time effort you all would have spent on this document.
>>Nevertheless I am of opinion (as are other Registrars) that
>>there are certain key areas in this proposed budget that
>>should change. This opinion is NOT based on quick irrational
>>thinking, but as a concerted logical reasoning. I am quite
>>positive and certain that all of us as Registrars will be
>>able to convince ICANN on our viewpoints and am very happy
>>for the audience and the discussion process.
>>
>>I have run through your email in a blazing speed reading
>>fashion :) and thank you indeed for taking the time to pen
>>out such a detailed response. I will read it once more with
>>the attention and time it deserves shortly and then respond
>>back with my viewpoint.
>>
>>Best Regards
>>Bhavin Turakhia
>>Founder, CEO and Chairman
>>DirectI
>>--------------------------------------
>>http://www.directi.com
>>Direct Line: +91 (22) 5679 7600
>>Direct Fax: +91 (22) 5679 7510
>>Board Line (USA): +1 (415) 240 4172
>>Board Line (India): +91 (22) 5679 7500
>>--------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Kurt Pritz [mailto:pritz at icann.org]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:15 PM
>>>To: 'Bhavin Turakhia'
>>>Cc: ivanmc at akwan.com.br; tricia.drakes at parvil.demon.co.uk;
>>>tniles at uscib.org; twomey at icann.org; 'Dan Halloran'; 'Registrars
>>>Constituency'; 'Divyank Turakhia'; 'Namit Merchant'; 'Rob Hall';
>>>'Elana Broitman'; 'Tim Ruiz'; webmaster at icannwatch.org;
>>>fausett at lextext.com; ali at circleid.com; froomkin at law.miami.edu;
>>>vinton.g.cerf at mci.com; 'John Jeffrey'; 'Kieran Baker'
>>>Subject: RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance committee to modify
>>>
>>>
>>ICANN Budget
>>
>>
>>>proposal
>>>
>>>Bhavin Turakin, Chairman & CEO
>>>Directi.com
>>>
>>>[in plain text and pdf formats]
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Bhavin:
>>>
>>>Thank you for your letter outlining the concerns you have with the
>>>proposed ICANN Budget. It is clear and well thought out. I
>>>
>>>
>>know that
>>
>>
>>>your letter was addressed to Vint Cerf. Vint and I communicated to
>>>determine an appropriate response and he has contributed to the
>>>composition of this letter.
>>>
>>>Please know that the ICANN staff put a great deal of
>>>
>>>
>>thought and work
>>
>>
>>>into the proposed budget model. That effort included considerable
>>>discussion of the effects of rate increases on large and small
>>>registrars, barriers to entry, and the DNS marketplace.
>>>
>>>Please take this response to your paper as constructive
>>>
>>>
>>discussion and
>>
>>
>>>not argument. The ICANN staff, board and various constituencies
>>>discussed several finance models and their effects on the
>>>
>>>
>>ICANN budget
>>
>>
>>>and on the community. Many hours were spent in this
>>>
>>>
>>activity - just as
>>
>>
>>>are you doing now. Many of the arguments you make were
>>>
>>>
>>considered -
>>
>>
>>>most were adopted as part of the plan.
>>>
>>>First, the lack of public forum you mentioned has been
>>>
>>>
>>cured. It was
>>
>>
>>>under construction when ICANN received your letter. It will
>>>
>>>
>>be posted.
>>
>>
>>>On the more important issues:
>>>
>>>As you probably recognized from the budget document, the
>>>
>>>
>>per annum fee
>>
>>
>>>was developed in recognition of the fact that while some of ICANN's
>>>effort resulting from relationships with registrars is
>>>
>>>
>>proportional to
>>
>>
>>>the size of the registrar, significant other effort
>>>
>>>
>>expended on behalf
>>
>>
>>>of registrars is fixed for each registrar regardless of the
>>>
>>>
>>number of
>>
>>
>>>names registered.
>>>
>>>An example of this latter activity is ICANN addressing issues with
>>>contractual compliance. There are costs related to consumer
>>>
>>>
>>protection
>>
>>
>>>and compliance activities that do not vary with the number of names
>>>under registration. ICANN invests to maintain linkages with various
>>>government agencies to protect consumers and help ICANN do a better
>>>job of assuring that all registrars follow the rules of the road in
>>>fair fashion. As ICANN adopts a more proactive contractual
>>>
>>>
>>compliance
>>
>>
>>>program during the next fiscal year, activities will incur per
>>>registrar, rather than per name expenses.
>>>
>>>Other activities include administration of various databases and
>>>responses to business and technical queries.
>>>
>>>So while ICANN proposed that some of the costs be allocated
>>>
>>>
>>on a per
>>
>>
>>>registrar basis and that some form of such an allocation is fair, I
>>>take your queries to center around the question of whether the
>>>allocation methodology in the budget is fair. ICANN submits
>>>
>>>
>>that it is
>>
>>
>>>fair, asks that you consider the following, and then asks that we
>>>continue the dialogue so that a consensus is reached.
>>>
>>>EFFECTS ON SMALLER REGISTRARS
>>>ICANN believes that smaller registrars will not be forced
>>>
>>>
>>to leave the
>>
>>
>>>market place for two reasons:
>>>
>>>1) Many or most of the smaller registrars can easily
>>>
>>>
>>afford the fee
>>
>>
>>>due to revenues received by use of access to the batch pool, and
>>>
>>>2) The fee will be mostly forgiven for those registrars that do not
>>>employ their right to access the batch pool and for whom
>>>
>>>
>>the fee would
>>
>>
>>>severely affect the ability to carry on.
>>>
>>>To the first point, it has been estimated by others that over 110
>>>registrars presently derive revenue from using or selling their
>>>contractual right to access the batch pool in an effort to register
>>>deleted names. That revenue has been estimated at $20,000
>>>
>>>
>>to $30,000
>>
>>
>>>per month for, in the words of one registrar, sitting and doing
>>>nothing. (These activities should be contrasted with the business
>>>models of registrars conducting standard marketing and registration
>>>operations where margins and revenue streams are tighter.)
>>>
>>>There are a number of accreditation applications in the pipeline,
>>>including several with clear indications that the
>>>
>>>
>>accreditation is to
>>
>>
>>>be used to gain access to the batch pool. ICANN anticipated none of
>>>those applicants will withdraw their application based upon the new
>>>fee structure. As stated in an earlier registrar posting concerning
>>>the budget, none of the existing registrars earning over $240,000
>>>annually should protest the fee.
>>>
>>>ICANN does not condone the use of accreditations that are used
>>>strictly for access to secure deleted names. In fact, when
>>>
>>>
>>faced with
>>
>>
>>>an abnormally large spate of accreditation applications, ICANN
>>>temporarily halted the accreditation process and convened
>>>
>>>
>>an emergency
>>
>>
>>>session of the ICANN Board to discuss whether large number of
>>>accreditations should be granted in an environment where so
>>>
>>>
>>many new
>>
>>
>>>accreditations were intended solely to access the batch pool.
>>>
>>>With regard to the second point, forgiving fees in certain
>>>circumstances will avoid situations forcing smaller
>>>
>>>
>>registrars out of
>>
>>
>>>the market.
>>>
>>>One registrar posting inferred that smaller registrars
>>>
>>>
>>might be better
>>
>>
>>>off as resellers rather than have to bear the burden of fees as an
>>>accredited registrar. While this may be true in some cases,
>>>
>>>
>>ICANN also
>>
>>
>>>recognizes that several small registrars, especially those
>>>
>>>
>>outside the
>>
>>
>>>United States, play a meaningful role in the DNS community.
>>>
>>>As soon as the per annum fee was postulated, ICANN staff began
>>>discussing alternatives for fair, bright line rules for
>>>
>>>
>>establishing
>>
>>
>>>forgiveness. One registrar posting suggested that ICANN
>>>
>>>
>>developed the
>>
>>
>>>theory in a knee jerk reaction to comments made during the Budget
>>>Advisory Group meeting and had no ideas for creating the rules for
>>>such a procedure.
>>>
>>>This is not true. As stated above, ICANN considered the issue ever
>>>since the per annum fees were suggested. Forgiveness was
>>>
>>>
>>not included
>>
>>
>>>in an earlier version of the budget because many in the community
>>>stated that it was too difficult to develop a fair method
>>>
>>>
>>that could
>>
>>
>>>not be "gamed." After discussion before and during the
>>>
>>>
>>Budget Advisory
>>
>>
>>>group meeting, ICANN worked on developing a model that is fair and
>>>predictable.
>>>
>>>The model was not included in the budget posting because it
>>>
>>>
>>is still
>>
>>
>>>being tested with the opinions of various technical and business
>>>experts in the community. That testing continues. The model
>>>
>>>
>>will first
>>
>>
>>>be built around determining which registrars are realizing revenues
>>>through use of the batch pool. At this point, it can be
>>>
>>>
>>said that the
>>
>>
>>>model will require those receiving substantial revenue by
>>>
>>>
>>hitting the
>>
>>
>>>batch pool to pay the per annum fee and that those
>>>
>>>
>>registrars can be
>>
>>
>>>clearly and easily identified through the numbers and types of
>>>transactions incurred.
>>>
>>>The second part of the model, will judge whether the
>>>
>>>
>>financial status
>>
>>
>>>and business model of the registrar require some relief. I believe
>>>through interactions such as these exchanges of
>>>
>>>
>>information, the best
>>
>>
>>>model will be devised. In any case, it is ICANN's position that
>>>deserving registrars should retain their accreditation.
>>>
>>>The fees suggested in the budget indicate that qualifying
>>>
>>>
>>registrars
>>
>>
>>>would pay approximately $10,000 annually (the $4,000
>>>
>>>
>>accreditation fee
>>
>>
>>>plus a per annum fee of approximately $6,000) and be granted the
>>>ability to sell names from all registries, including
>>>
>>>
>>anticipated new
>>
>>
>>>sTLDs.
>>>
>>>EFFECTS ON LARGER REGISTRARS
>>>I understand your viewpoint that under the present scenario, larger
>>>registrars will save a huge amount of money compared to a
>>>
>>>
>>budget where
>>
>>
>>>they would be paying 37 cents a transaction instead of 25 cents.
>>>
>>>Looking at the other side of the same coin, the larger
>>>
>>>
>>registrars (and
>>
>>
>>>all
>>>registrars) are paying at least 7 cents per transaction
>>>
>>>
>>more than in
>>
>>
>>>the present budget year. Using the numbers developed on your
>>>spreadsheet, NSI is being asked to pay $536K more than last year,
>>>Tucows $273K more, GoDaddy $253K more and so on. It is true
>>>
>>>
>>that these
>>
>>
>>>amounts are smaller percentage increases than paid by smaller
>>>registrars, but these amounts can materially affect the
>>>
>>>
>>business model
>>
>>
>>>of the larger registrars.
>>>
>>>The fairness argument applies equally to these registrars.
>>>
>>>
>>The larger
>>
>>
>>>registrars are paying 40-50% increases in fees and that increase is
>>>applied to a numerically large base. Your model suggests it
>>>
>>>
>>is fairer
>>
>>
>>>that the larger registry fee increase should be as high as
>>>
>>>
>>$1.4MM or
>>
>>
>>>108%.
>>>
>>>In the cases of smaller registries, the six-figure increases heads
>>>asymptotically to the $20-$30K range in fairly rapid order. As
>>>discussed above, most of these registrars derive
>>>
>>>
>>significant revenue
>>
>>
>>>from sources other than the straight registration of domain
>>>
>>>
>>names and
>>
>>
>>>can afford the fee. Many others can be forgiven a large
>>>
>>>
>>portion of the
>>
>>
>>>fee.
>>>
>>>As in all fairness discussions, the topic of a judging the
>>>
>>>
>>percentage
>>
>>
>>>of a big number against a percentage of a small number must be
>>>considered. In the ICANN proposed model it was thought that
>>>
>>>
>>the larger
>>
>>
>>>registrars were paying a considerable increase by any
>>>
>>>
>>standard while
>>
>>
>>>the smaller registrars' payments were increased by amounts
>>>
>>>
>>consistent
>>
>>
>>>with their business models.
>>>
>>>EFFECTS ON THE ICANN BUDGET
>>>If the programs described in the ICANN budget are effectively
>>>implemented, many registrars should not abandon their accreditation.
>>>In fact, and based upon the number of accreditation applications in
>>>queue, ICANN expects the number of accreditations to increase
>>>significantly between now and the start of the fiscal year.
>>>
>>>
>>There are
>>
>>
>>>indications in these applications that most of these new registrars
>>>will derive significant income through their access to the
>>>
>>>
>>batch pool.
>>
>>
>>>As stated above, ICANN does not condone this business model but a
>>>special meeting of the board concluded that applications
>>>
>>>
>>could not be
>>
>>
>>>denied based upon apparent business model absent substantial more
>>>study into this subject matter. As I stated earlier, ICANN
>>>
>>>
>>estimates
>>
>>
>>>that none of the existing applications for this purpose will be
>>>withdrawn given the new fee structure.
>>>
>>>Similarly, new registrars will not be precluded from forgiveness at
>>>the time of the first quarterly invoicing. ICANN does stand for
>>>promotion of competition. It is also understood however, that
>>>potential registrars should have robust financing and a
>>>
>>>
>>solid business
>>
>>
>>>pan before entering the field. (As counterpoint to your discussion,
>>>when larger registrars discussed potential resources, it
>>>
>>>
>>was offered
>>
>>
>>>that a $17-$19K fee should be reasonable to an ongoing, robust
>>>registrar operation.)
>>>
>>>Given all this, it is anticipated that ICANN will have over 250
>>>accredited registrars by the start of the fiscal year. The
>>>
>>>
>>increased
>>
>>
>>>numbers should ensure the planned for revenue stream while allowing
>>>some reductions in rates to the smaller registrars.
>>>
>>>Effects of new sources of revenue
>>>ICANN agrees with every registrar posting regarding the
>>>
>>>
>>generation of
>>
>>
>>>new sources of revenue. ICANN's business model should not
>>>
>>>
>>be based on
>>
>>
>>>sole or few sources of revenue. It is not sound practice.
>>>
>>>
>>New sources
>>
>>
>>>of revenue are intended to limit any increases to the
>>>
>>>
>>registrar fees
>>
>>
>>>and to reduce them. Those revenues will be realized in time for or
>>>before the following fiscal year.
>>>
>>>Where the budget ascribed to holding the 25 cent fee constant, it
>>>should also be taken as making the same commitment to the per annum
>>>fee.
>>>
>>>CONCLUSION
>>>I realize this writing does not address all your concerns. However,
>>>there is a basis from which to work. The fact that many small
>>>registrars have significant revenue streams means that
>>>
>>>
>>there are not
>>
>>
>>>as many registrars adversely impacted by the fee structure
>>>
>>>
>>as some may
>>
>>
>>>have thought. Also, I believe we can develop a method for
>>>
>>>
>>waiver of a
>>
>>
>>>portion of the fees that is objective and does not result in
>>>differences and partiality.
>>>
>>>Given the above two conditions above, a fair model can be
>>>
>>>
>>created in a
>>
>>
>>>budget that: significantly increases cash fees from large
>>>
>>>
>>registrars,
>>
>>
>>>charges registrars availing themselves of the batch pool a very
>>>reasonable fee, moves to forgives the debt of smaller registrars,
>>>adjusts to significant changes in the marketplace and plans
>>>
>>>
>>for other
>>
>>
>>>sources of revenue.
>>>
>>>Having written this document, I know the work that went into yours.
>>>Everyone at ICANN appreciates the passion that went into
>>>
>>>
>>your effort
>>
>>
>>>and we all generally agree with your principles. As stated
>>>
>>>
>>above, this
>>
>>
>>>document is not intended as an end. We are looking forward to your
>>>comments and those from the community.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Kurt Pritz
>>>ICANN
>>>4676 Admiralty Way, #330
>>>Marina del Rey, CA 902
>>>
>>>
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