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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Hallo Rob,</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">see slide 11 from Georges presentation in Rom,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">destributed on Tue, 2 Mar 2004 by </span></font><font face="Arial" color="#008000"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>ebroitman@register.com</u></span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">on this list.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">siegfried</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 13 Apr 2004 at 10:02, Rob Hall wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">From: "Rob
Hall" <rob@momentous.com></span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">To: <registrars@dnso.org></span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Subject: RE:
[registrars] Revised draft for TF2</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Date sent: Tue,
13 Apr 2004 10:02:57 -0400</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Thomas,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Can you tell me on what basis you say buk whois is 100% illegal in Europe ?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> My understanding of your privacy laws is that you must inform the user of</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> how their information will be disseminated. Is it not true that if you tell</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the user that you will publish their information, and give it to whoever</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> applies under your bulk whois contract, that you are covered legally ?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> You have informed the user of how their information is to be used, and</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> distributed. It is then the users choice to continue given that they now</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> know the playing field.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> You also make a statement that seems to unlink whois and transfers. But</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> they are in fact directly linked.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> I also believe that one of the primary reasons we have a distributed whois</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> for com/net is to promote competition, not lessen it. I am at a loss as to</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> how making whois information available to the public hurts competition. I</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> believe just the opposite occurs.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> I believe that if you unilaterally break your ICANN contract for any reason,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> you should face enforement and penalties. If a big european telco broke</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> their ICANN contract by not providing whois anymore, I suspect they would be</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> found in breach, and no longer have a contract. Exactly as would any</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> non-european registrar who broke their contract.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Rob.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> -----Original Message-----</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Keller</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:12 AM</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> To: registrars@dnso.org</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Subject: [registrars] Revised draft for TF2</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Hello,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the discussion of the last days has been exceptional usefull and</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> helped me to revise my first draft (attached). Beside referring</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> to the changes I made in the document I would like to explain some</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of my thoughts behind certain passages in the draft. Lets start with</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the changes:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 1. Pauls data fields were incorporated</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 2. The Tech-C data fields where changed to a Tech-C Point of Contact</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> field as suggested by Tom Barrett and Paul</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 3. The possibility to display additional data as requested by Elana</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> has been incorporated</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 4. A reference to the original use of WHOIS as requested by Brian has</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> been incorporated</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 5. Wording has been changed to reflect that we haven't voted on this</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> matter. This was requested by Tim (just a tiny change)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 6. Three Whois levels have been cut down to two due to the request of</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Jean-Michel</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> The only two debated issuess I didn't change is the request to strike</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the Bulkwhois obligation and the general statement about national</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> legislations and whois. Please let me explain my reasons for not changing</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> it.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Bulkwhois</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> This one is rather simple. Bulkwhois is 100% illegal in Europe and</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> I'm pretty sure that this holds true for most other countries with</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> privacy regulations. I can't imagine one company in Germany entering</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> in such a agreement. Therefore to still be able to provide a leveled</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> playing field this generally unloved obligation must go.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> National legislations and whois</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> I totally understand the concerns some might have but I would like to</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> ask them to consider two points:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 1. Is it really likely that such a provision will effect competition</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> in a negative way if all necessary data for competition must be made</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> available? Please keep in mind that we only talk about whois</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> information and not about countries passing laws prohibiting</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> transfers. This would indeed be, even if highly unlikely, a problem.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 2. Would such a provision not only be an acknowledgement of the existing</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> cirumstances. Being realistic one must admit that we already</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> have the situation where a company y in a country x could decide to
shut</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> down whois if their local legislation demands it without having to</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> fear any kind of penalties by ICANN. I guess it would be a very</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> interesting showcase to see ICANN argueing with EU officals and lawyers</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> why i.e. a big european telco is not providing whois anymore.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Thats it for the moment.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Best</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> tom</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
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