From kKleiman at pir.org  Mon Dec  6 16:43:37 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA69052F58F6@tetra.PIR.com>

Great thanks to all who attended our Whois RT meeting yesterday - in
person and by phone. Unfortunately, many of our members could not
attend, and some were caught in air traffic difficult.  I hope your
travels ended easily and well. 

 

It was a good meeting. We are now working on our notes, and I will
compare my notes with those Alice took on our behalf, and put out a
draft on the Wiki (within the next day).   We look forward to your
additions, comments and questions.  A base for London!

 

Best,

 

Kathy Kleiman

Director of Policy

.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846|  www.pir.org
<http://www.pir.org>  |  

 

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From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Mon Dec  6 17:45:13 2010
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:45:13 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA69052F58F6@tetra.PIR.com>
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I'm sorry but I couldn't participate. But I'm reading all emails and
I'll try to follow the meeting discussions in general.

Best,
Omar



2010/12/6 Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org>:
> Great thanks to all who attended our Whois RT meeting yesterday ? in person
> and by phone. Unfortunately, many of our members could not attend, and some
> were caught in air traffic difficult.? I hope your travels ended easily and
> well.
>
>
>
> It was a good meeting. We are now working on our notes, and I will compare
> my notes with those Alice took on our behalf, and put out a draft on the
> Wiki (within the next day).?? We look forward to your additions, comments
> and questions.? A base for London!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Kathy Kleiman
>
> Director of Policy
>
> .ORG, The Public Interest Registry
>
> Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846|? www.pir.org |
>
>
>
> Find us on Facebook? |? .ORG Blog?| Flickr |?YouTube | Twitter |
>
>
>
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> Interest Registry.? If received in error, please inform sender and then
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From sharonchallis at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 18:17:14 2010
From: sharonchallis at aol.com (sharonchallis at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
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References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA69052F58F6@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <8CD6388F10717F8-778-2538@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>





Hi All,


Yes, it was good to catch up and move things along a bit more.  Sorry if I may have sounded a bit frustrated - just very keen to get things moving and have some tangible outcomes.  I was reassured by James' explanation that, all things considered, we are in a good place.


I am really looking forward to hosting you all in London, I think once we have all met face to face, things will flow at lot easier. If any of you would like to do anything special while you are in London, if you have some free days, please let me know and I will try my very best to facilitate it.


Until then,


Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org>
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Sent: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:43
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday



Great thanks to all who attended our Whois RT meeting yesterday ? in person and by phone. Unfortunately, many of our members could not attend, and some were caught in air traffic difficult.  I hope your travels ended easily and well. 
 
It was a good meeting. We are now working on our notes, and I will compare my notes with those Alice took on our behalf, and put out a draft on the Wiki (within the next day).   We look forward to your additions, comments and questions.  A base for London!
 
Best,
 
Kathy Kleiman
Director of Policy
.ORG, The Public Interest Registry
Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846|  www.pir.org |  
 
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From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at  Mon Dec  6 22:49:43 2010
From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:49:43 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Fwd: ATRT session @CTG
Message-ID: <4CFD6887.7030100@CC.UniVie.ac.at>

Dear Members of RT4,

I made a couple of notes during the report of the ATRT, and the
discussion, regarding lines of discussion that might also be relevant
input for our considerations, too.

Just fyi, maybe they are of some use...
Wilfried.

-------- Original Message --------

> Definition of "public interest"? Everyone has his or her own :-)

may be relevant to our discussion who or what is a "consumer"?

> Metrics and Benchmarks?

what are the metrics or the scale to measure ICANN'S compliance with
expectations against?

> What is "Public Policy"? in the context of relationship with GAC.

we may want to consider a potential GAC'S view on this and/or specifically
invite the GAC to submit their points of views

> public interest --> global public interest

just for the beauty of this :-)

> ICANN Community --> Global Community,
> including those who haven't joined yet

so, the consumer may also be seen as those not yet on the 'net?

-ww




From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Tue Dec  7 00:01:38 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:01:38 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Calendar error
Message-ID: <1D0B6047-0FB7-4054-938E-9D2089E1FB1F@paypal.com>

I was checking our calendar today and noticed that the dates for London are incorrect (as displayed on the team site). I've done some investigation and Google has an error with embedded calendars. This appears to be something "new" as of 2 Dec or so. THey are aware of it and hopefully will have it fixed soon.

Sorry for any inconvenience.



From lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com  Tue Dec  7 01:54:09 2010
From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
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From wc.smith at me.com  Mon Dec  6 23:29:41 2010
From: wc.smith at me.com (Bill Smith)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:29:41 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar
Message-ID: <E259060A-F254-4F34-A07B-B63B5AF02BDE@me.com>

I was checking our calendar today and noticed that the dates for London are incorrect (as displayed on the team site). I've done some investigation and Google has an error with embedded calendars. This appears to be something "new" as of 2 Dec or so. THey are aware of it and hopefully will have it fixed soon.

Sorry for any inconvenience.



From kKleiman at pir.org  Tue Dec  7 05:10:39 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:10:39 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar - best dates
In-Reply-To: <E259060A-F254-4F34-A07B-B63B5AF02BDE@me.com>
References: <E259060A-F254-4F34-A07B-B63B5AF02BDE@me.com>
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CBEA@tetra.PIR.com>

Tx for checking this, Bill -- the dates of our  meeting  in London are:
- Wednesday, January 19th (full day starting at 9:30am with an RT dinner
that night), and
- Thursday, January 20th (until 2pm).
(for all who arrive early enough on Tuesday night, we'll arrange evening
drinks in the hotel or nearby). ICANN has arranged a block of rooms for
all of us, but I don't have the name of the hotel. 

Olof or Alice will be joining us - and hopefully Denise or Liz.

Best,
Kathy



-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
On Behalf Of Bill Smith
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 6:30 PM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar

I was checking our calendar today and noticed that the dates for London
are incorrect (as displayed on the team site). I've done some
investigation and Google has an error with embedded calendars. This
appears to be something "new" as of 2 Dec or so. THey are aware of it
and hopefully will have it fixed soon.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

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From kKleiman at pir.org  Tue Dec  7 05:16:42 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
In-Reply-To: <20101206185409.00ef555ff13978e3e1b8d2179880f99e.23bc333051.wbe@email03.secureserver.net>
References: <20101206185409.00ef555ff13978e3e1b8d2179880f99e.23bc333051.wbe@email03.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CBEC@tetra.PIR.com>

Dear Lynn,

I agree that London will be a special opportunity to meet F2F and move much quickly. I am looking for to it! 

 

I also think we laid some nice groundwork for it at our meeting ? and served the important purpose of showing the community here what we are doing. We had people sitting in the room and listening, some for the whole of the 2 hours. They included ICANN Compliance Staff (senior staff), as well as technical people with Afilias and the Anti-Phishing Working Group, someone from Nominet, as well as others I did not recognize.  

 

I have been approached by at least one person, a registrar I think, with complements on the meeting.

 

Hopefully,  a well laid foundation will serve us well?. (?)

Best,

Kathy

 

From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com [mailto:lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:54 PM
To: Kathy Kleiman
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday

 

Thanks Kathy for chairing the meeting.  And I continue to appreciate the excellent support from the ICANN staff. 

 

Please bear with me that I am a little impatient and want to

see us pick up speed in progressing our work.

I do feel optimistic that once we are all able to meet in person, we will move faster.

 

Hope that those of you from our Review Team who are in Cartagena will gain value from other ICANN sessions and meetings that you can share back with our group.  And best wishes for safe travels home,

Lynn

 

	-------- Original Message --------
	Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
	From: "Kathy Kleiman" <kKleiman at pir.org <mailto:kKleiman at pir.org> >
	Date: Mon, December 06, 2010 11:43 am
	To: <rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org> >

	Great thanks to all who attended our Whois RT meeting yesterday ? in person and by phone. Unfortunately, many of our members could not attend, and some were caught in air traffic difficult.  I hope your travels ended easily and well. 

	 

	It was a good meeting. We are now working on our notes, and I will compare my notes with those Alice took on our behalf, and put out a draft on the Wiki (within the next day).   We look forward to your additions, comments and questions.  A base for London!

	 

	Best,

	 

	Kathy Kleiman

	Director of Policy

	.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Tue Dec  7 16:08:22 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:08:22 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar - best dates
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CBEA@tetra.PIR.com>
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Message-ID: <E95EDFE9-851F-495D-B102-F39FEFA6E2F4@paypal.com>

Seems to be working now.

On Dec 6, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

> Tx for checking this, Bill -- the dates of our  meeting  in London are:
> - Wednesday, January 19th (full day starting at 9:30am with an RT dinner
> that night), and
> - Thursday, January 20th (until 2pm).
> (for all who arrive early enough on Tuesday night, we'll arrange evening
> drinks in the hotel or nearby). ICANN has arranged a block of rooms for
> all of us, but I don't have the name of the hotel. 
> 
> Olof or Alice will be joining us - and hopefully Denise or Liz.
> 
> Best,
> Kathy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of Bill Smith
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 6:30 PM
> To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar
> 
> I was checking our calendar today and noticed that the dates for London
> are incorrect (as displayed on the team site). I've done some
> investigation and Google has an error with embedded calendars. This
> appears to be something "new" as of 2 Dec or so. THey are aware of it
> and hopefully will have it fixed soon.
> 
> Sorry for any inconvenience.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
> 
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From wc.smith at me.com  Tue Dec  7 16:07:03 2010
From: wc.smith at me.com (Bill Smith)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar - best dates
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CBEA@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <E259060A-F254-4F34-A07B-B63B5AF02BDE@me.com>
	<DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CBEA@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <9115B635-0BB5-4856-BC0F-A68F22FB7BAD@me.com>

The calendar appears to working correctly now.

On Dec 6, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

> Tx for checking this, Bill -- the dates of our  meeting  in London are:
> - Wednesday, January 19th (full day starting at 9:30am with an RT dinner
> that night), and
> - Thursday, January 20th (until 2pm).
> (for all who arrive early enough on Tuesday night, we'll arrange evening
> drinks in the hotel or nearby). ICANN has arranged a block of rooms for
> all of us, but I don't have the name of the hotel. 
> 
> Olof or Alice will be joining us - and hopefully Denise or Liz.
> 
> Best,
> Kathy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of Bill Smith
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 6:30 PM
> To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Error w/Calendar
> 
> I was checking our calendar today and noticed that the dates for London
> are incorrect (as displayed on the team site). I've done some
> investigation and Google has an error with embedded calendars. This
> appears to be something "new" as of 2 Dec or so. THey are aware of it
> and hopefully will have it fixed soon.
> 
> Sorry for any inconvenience.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Rt4-whois at icann.org
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From lutz at iks-jena.de  Tue Dec  7 16:29:18 2010
From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:29:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday
References: <AANLkTikXxLjFyjtagz2R4TTzdMGYGZb+G+Hyfmv45EDb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <slrnifso6u.f1e.lutz@belenus.iks-jena.de>

* Omar Kaminski wrote:
> I'm sorry but I couldn't participate. But I'm reading all emails and
> I'll try to follow the meeting discussions in general.

So do I. Timing was bad for remote participation.


From lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com  Tue Dec  7 19:50:56 2010
From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:50:56 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] fyi- session tomorrow may be useful
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From sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk  Wed Dec  8 13:13:42 2010
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk (sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:13:42 -0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
Message-ID: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B33@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>

This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you
have now had this three times!

 

Classification: Not protectively marked.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LEMON, Sharon 
Sent: 08 December 2010 13:11
To: 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Arrangement for London

 

Hello All,

 

Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just
in case you didn't, here it is again!.

 

The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf,
(www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf> )
which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special
requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate arrangements?
We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on night of 18th,
buffet lunch in the conference room on 19th, and then to Hazev
Restaurant on night of 19th for the formal meal. (www.hazev.com
<http://www.hazev.com/> ). Then another buffet lunch before you leave on
20th.

 

If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do
anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I would
like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible

 

The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on the
District line. We will send maps nearer the time.

 

Best Wishes,
=0D
 

I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we
don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,

 

Sharon

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
On Behalf Of sharonchallis at aol.com
Sent: 06 December 2010 18:17
To: kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday

 

 


Hi All, 

 

Yes, it was good to catch up and move things along a bit more.  Sorry if
I may have sounded a bit frustrated - just very keen to get things
moving and have some tangible outcomes.  I was reassured by James'
explanation that, all things considered, we are in a good place.

 

I am really looking forward to hosting you all in London, I think once
we have all met face to face, things will flow at lot easier. If any of
you would like to do anything special while you are in London, if you
have some free days, please let me know and I will try my very best to
facilitate it.

 

Until then,

 

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org>
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Sent: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:43
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Good meeting yesterday

Great thanks to all who attended our Whois RT meeting yesterday - in
person and by phone. Unfortunately, many of our members could not
attend, and some were caught in air traffic difficult.  I hope your
travels ended easily and well. 

 

It was a good meeting. We are now working on our notes, and I will
compare my notes with those Alice took on our behalf, and put out a
draft on the Wiki (within the next day).   We look forward to your
additions, comments and questions.  A base for London!

 

Best,

 

Kathy Kleiman

Director of Policy

.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846|  www.pir.org
<http://www.pir.org>  |  

 
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From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 15:37:49 2010
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:37:49 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Secluded Wiki - London
Message-ID: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D3502789C3@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Information on London accommodation is available on the secluded wiki.

Please make sure to review it. Note that you need to enter your login details to see this wiki. Members who require travel support, please note that ICANN Constituency travel will contact you to discuss your details.

I would like to thank Sharon and her Team for their wonderful help - much appreciated.

Thank you,

Kind regards

Alice

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From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at  Wed Dec  8 15:48:41 2010
From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:48:41 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
In-Reply-To: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B33@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
References: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B33@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <4CFFA8D9.90309@CC.UniVie.ac.at>

Thanks, Sharon,

for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)

Question to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?

Thanks,
Wilfried

sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> =0D
> 
> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you
> have now had this three times!
> 
>  
> 
> Classification: Not protectively marked.
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
> 
>  
> 
> Hello All,
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account ? so just
> in case you didn?t, here it is again!.
> 
>  
> 
> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf,
> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
> which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special
> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate arrangements?
>  We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on night of 18^th ,
> buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and then to Hazev
> Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal. (www.hazev.com
> <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch before you leave on
> 20^th .
> 
>  
> 
> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do
> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I would
> like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
> 
>  
> 
> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on the
> District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
> 
>  
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
>  
> 
> I?m not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we
> don?t, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
> 
>  
> 
> Sharon



From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at  Wed Dec  8 16:55:24 2010
From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:55:24 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] today, Wed, Barahona 1
Message-ID: <4CFFB87C.70700@CC.UniVie.ac.at>

Following up on yesterday's suggestion that the session on

"Promoting Competition, Consumer TRust and Choice", at 8:30 in Barahona 1

could potetntially be of interest for our work, I sat through the whole
meeting, ending up being thoroughly deep-frozen ;-)

The only 2 aspects I consider of interest to share with you are:

- Definition of terms -
  Users, Consumers, Registrants, Users of Domain Names ?

- How to measure with a scale that is useul for the "Consumer"

Did anyone else from the team join in remotely?
Wilfried.


From denise.michel at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 17:19:56 2010
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom and
	Larry Strickling
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Team members:

We received a request to arrange a meeting with the Whois Review Team
and Rod Beckstrom and Larry Irving (together) (both signatories to the
Affirmation of Commitments) to talk about their visions and
perspectives on the Whois review.  Unfortunately, although Rod could
make time on his schedule, I understand Larry Strickling had prior
commitments and has left Cartagena.

It would be helpful if the Team could agree on what it would like to
do now and let me know.  An option to consider is that staff could try
to arrange a conference call with the Team and Rod and Larry after
Cartagena.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,
Denise


Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


From denise.michel at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 17:31:45 2010
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
	and Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==2ofRaj5raVgHUi_mzyPoEi3wBvAXPdW-yEtV@mail.gmail.com>

Oops. The reference to "Larry Irving" below should read "Larry
Strickling."  These long days are catching-up to me! ;)

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear Team members:
>
> We received a request to arrange a meeting with the Whois Review Team
> and Rod Beckstrom and Larry Irving (together) (both signatories to the
> Affirmation of Commitments) to talk about their visions and
> perspectives on the Whois review. ?Unfortunately, although Rod could
> make time on his schedule, I understand Larry Strickling had prior
> commitments and has left Cartagena.
>
> It would be helpful if the Team could agree on what it would like to
> do now and let me know. ?An option to consider is that staff could try
> to arrange a conference call with the Team and Rod and Larry after
> Cartagena.
>
> We look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>



From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 19:34:36 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:34:36 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
 and	Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com>

Denise,

Please note that this was not a formal request from the WHOIS RT, but rather a personal request that those of us who traveled to Cartagena be able to meet locally with Rod and Larry.

I apologize for any confusion my original note (attached) may have caused.

Best regards,

Bill
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From denise.michel at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 20:24:08 2010
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:24:08 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
 and Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinb8dhQavJEZDH9PGKt5Ny6nPeoSsJtAKV65Bcq@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for clarifying, Bill.  So (just to be clear) although Larry has left,
you still want to meet with just Rod in Cartagena?  And this would not be a
"Whois Review Team" meeting but rather a meeting with individual Team
members who are in Cartagena?

If yes, could you confirm which members would participate and your available
time frames.

Thanks.
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Smith, Bill <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>wrote:

> Denise,
>
> Please note that this was not a formal request from the WHOIS RT, but
> rather a personal request that those of us who traveled to Cartagena be able
> to meet locally with Rod and Larry.
>
> I apologize for any confusion my original note (attached) may have caused.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>
> To: Rod Beckstrom <rod.beckstrom at icann.org>
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:40:26 -0700
> Subject: Local Meeting w/WHOIS RT Members
> Rod,
>
> I understand and appreciate that you and Larry Strickling were otherwise
> engaged during the informal WHOIS Review Team meeting on Sunday. I'm sure
> your time was very well spent and I am not questioning your decision to
> forego the WHOIS meeting.
>
> However, I am disappointed that the we apparently missed an opportunity to
> hear from you and Larry and to get your individual and joint perspectives
> with respect to WHOIS and the objectives you each envisioned for the Review
> Team. Several of us on the team were looking forward to that conversation
> and would appreciate efforts to make it happen at another time this week
> thereby making best use of our time here in Cartagena.
>
> I realize you and Larry are both extremely busy and your schedules are no
> doubt full. With that in mind, I'll offer to be extremely flexible and agree
> in advance to meet at a  time and place of your choosing. (I can't make a
> similar offer for others, but suspect they will be flexible.)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bill
>
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 20:34:43 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:34:43 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
 and Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinb8dhQavJEZDH9PGKt5Ny6nPeoSsJtAKV65Bcq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com>
	<AANLkTinb8dhQavJEZDH9PGKt5Ny6nPeoSsJtAKV65Bcq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A300D91B-4254-4B55-AEC1-89969350A898@paypal.com>

Denise,

On the original note, I copied Kathy Kleinman, James Bladel, and Willfried Woeber. They are the RT members that were present in Cartagena when we informally discussed attempting to meet with Rod and Larry. I understand that Mikhail Yakushev (copied) has also managed to escape Europe and is now in Cartagena.

It is my understanding that Wilfried intends to participate.

Bill

(Mikhail, if you are available at 6pm you are more than welcome - and apologies for not including you earlier.)

On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Denise Michel wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Bill.  So (just to be clear) although Larry has left, you still want to meet with just Rod in Cartagena?  And this would not be a "Whois Review Team" meeting but rather a meeting with individual Team members who are in Cartagena?

If yes, could you confirm which members would participate and your available time frames.

Thanks.
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Smith, Bill <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>> wrote:
Denise,

Please note that this was not a formal request from the WHOIS RT, but rather a personal request that those of us who traveled to Cartagena be able to meet locally with Rod and Larry.

I apologize for any confusion my original note (attached) may have caused.

Best regards,

Bill


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>>
To: Rod Beckstrom <rod.beckstrom at icann.org<mailto:rod.beckstrom at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:40:26 -0700
Subject: Local Meeting w/WHOIS RT Members
Rod,

I understand and appreciate that you and Larry Strickling were otherwise engaged during the informal WHOIS Review Team meeting on Sunday. I'm sure your time was very well spent and I am not questioning your decision to forego the WHOIS meeting.

However, I am disappointed that the we apparently missed an opportunity to hear from you and Larry and to get your individual and joint perspectives with respect to WHOIS and the objectives you each envisioned for the Review Team. Several of us on the team were looking forward to that conversation and would appreciate efforts to make it happen at another time this week thereby making best use of our time here in Cartagena.

I realize you and Larry are both extremely busy and your schedules are no doubt full. With that in mind, I'll offer to be extremely flexible and agree in advance to meet at a  time and place of your choosing. (I can't make a similar offer for others, but suspect they will be flexible.)

Best Regards,

Bill





From kKleiman at pir.org  Wed Dec  8 21:35:40 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:35:40 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
	and Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <A300D91B-4254-4B55-AEC1-89969350A898@paypal.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com><5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com><AANLkTinb8dhQavJEZDH9PGKt5Ny6nPeoSsJtAKV65Bcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<A300D91B-4254-4B55-AEC1-89969350A898@paypal.com>
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD73@tetra.PIR.com>

Mikhail left the meeting today at noon. 
Best,
Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
On Behalf Of Smith, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:35 PM
To: denise.michel at icann.org
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS; Mikhail; Yakushev at mm.icann.org; Teresa
Elias
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod
Beckstrom and Larry Strickling

Denise,

On the original note, I copied Kathy Kleinman, James Bladel, and
Willfried Woeber. They are the RT members that were present in Cartagena
when we informally discussed attempting to meet with Rod and Larry. I
understand that Mikhail Yakushev (copied) has also managed to escape
Europe and is now in Cartagena.

It is my understanding that Wilfried intends to participate.

Bill

(Mikhail, if you are available at 6pm you are more than welcome - and
apologies for not including you earlier.)

On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Denise Michel wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Bill.  So (just to be clear) although Larry has
left, you still want to meet with just Rod in Cartagena?  And this would
not be a "Whois Review Team" meeting but rather a meeting with
individual Team members who are in Cartagena?

If yes, could you confirm which members would participate and your
available time frames.

Thanks.
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Smith, Bill
<bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>> wrote:
Denise,

Please note that this was not a formal request from the WHOIS RT, but
rather a personal request that those of us who traveled to Cartagena be
able to meet locally with Rod and Larry.

I apologize for any confusion my original note (attached) may have
caused.

Best regards,

Bill


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Smith, Bill"
<bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>>
To: Rod Beckstrom
<rod.beckstrom at icann.org<mailto:rod.beckstrom at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:40:26 -0700
Subject: Local Meeting w/WHOIS RT Members
Rod,

I understand and appreciate that you and Larry Strickling were otherwise
engaged during the informal WHOIS Review Team meeting on Sunday. I'm
sure your time was very well spent and I am not questioning your
decision to forego the WHOIS meeting.

However, I am disappointed that the we apparently missed an opportunity
to hear from you and Larry and to get your individual and joint
perspectives with respect to WHOIS and the objectives you each
envisioned for the Review Team. Several of us on the team were looking
forward to that conversation and would appreciate efforts to make it
happen at another time this week thereby making best use of our time
here in Cartagena.

I realize you and Larry are both extremely busy and your schedules are
no doubt full. With that in mind, I'll offer to be extremely flexible
and agree in advance to meet at a  time and place of your choosing. (I
can't make a similar offer for others, but suspect they will be
flexible.)

Best Regards,

Bill



_______________________________________________
Rt4-whois mailing list
Rt4-whois at icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois



From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 21:41:51 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod Beckstrom
 and Larry Strickling
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD73@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <AANLkTikkquGW22HJea-jXqcyo2N_5GopaGTmM3KrR=a_@mail.gmail.com><5C2756E8-5103-432D-B8ED-B4F226D1A876@paypal.com><AANLkTinb8dhQavJEZDH9PGKt5Ny6nPeoSsJtAKV65Bcq@mail.gmail.com>
	<A300D91B-4254-4B55-AEC1-89969350A898@paypal.com>
	<DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD73@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <3D42FB25-650F-44B7-B5C1-2A910BFAEFEE@paypal.com>

Not to worry Kathy, the opportunity to meet has passed us by.

On Dec 8, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

> Mikhail left the meeting today at noon. 
> Best,
> Kathy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of Smith, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:35 PM
> To: denise.michel at icann.org
> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS; Mikhail; Yakushev at mm.icann.org; Teresa
> Elias
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Meeting with Whois Review Team and Rod
> Beckstrom and Larry Strickling
> 
> Denise,
> 
> On the original note, I copied Kathy Kleinman, James Bladel, and
> Willfried Woeber. They are the RT members that were present in Cartagena
> when we informally discussed attempting to meet with Rod and Larry. I
> understand that Mikhail Yakushev (copied) has also managed to escape
> Europe and is now in Cartagena.
> 
> It is my understanding that Wilfried intends to participate.
> 
> Bill
> 
> (Mikhail, if you are available at 6pm you are more than welcome - and
> apologies for not including you earlier.)
> 
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Denise Michel wrote:
> 
> Thanks for clarifying, Bill.  So (just to be clear) although Larry has
> left, you still want to meet with just Rod in Cartagena?  And this would
> not be a "Whois Review Team" meeting but rather a meeting with
> individual Team members who are in Cartagena?
> 
> If yes, could you confirm which members would participate and your
> available time frames.
> 
> Thanks.
> Denise
> 
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President
> denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Smith, Bill
> <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>> wrote:
> Denise,
> 
> Please note that this was not a formal request from the WHOIS RT, but
> rather a personal request that those of us who traveled to Cartagena be
> able to meet locally with Rod and Larry.
> 
> I apologize for any confusion my original note (attached) may have
> caused.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Smith, Bill"
> <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>>
> To: Rod Beckstrom
> <rod.beckstrom at icann.org<mailto:rod.beckstrom at icann.org>>
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:40:26 -0700
> Subject: Local Meeting w/WHOIS RT Members
> Rod,
> 
> I understand and appreciate that you and Larry Strickling were otherwise
> engaged during the informal WHOIS Review Team meeting on Sunday. I'm
> sure your time was very well spent and I am not questioning your
> decision to forego the WHOIS meeting.
> 
> However, I am disappointed that the we apparently missed an opportunity
> to hear from you and Larry and to get your individual and joint
> perspectives with respect to WHOIS and the objectives you each
> envisioned for the Review Team. Several of us on the team were looking
> forward to that conversation and would appreciate efforts to make it
> happen at another time this week thereby making best use of our time
> here in Cartagena.
> 
> I realize you and Larry are both extremely busy and your schedules are
> no doubt full. With that in mind, I'll offer to be extremely flexible
> and agree in advance to meet at a  time and place of your choosing. (I
> can't make a similar offer for others, but suspect they will be
> flexible.)
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois




From alice.jansen at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 21:48:04 2010
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] ICANN Constituency Travel
Message-ID: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C09@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

As this is a very busy time of the year for ICANN Constituency Travel, our travel support coordinator will contact you next week, that is to say after the Cartagena meeting.

Thanks for your understanding,

Kind regards

Alice

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From kKleiman at pir.org  Wed Dec  8 21:51:26 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London trip -- dates
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>

Hi All,

The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision
that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It
is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for
getting a lot of work done in a short time).

 

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that
people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and refreshed for
our long day on Wed!  Is that possible? 

 

Best,

Kathy

--------------------------------------------------

 

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)

Face to Face meeting, London, 

19 to 20 January 2011



Tuesday, 18 January 2011

Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.

A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel
(further details to follow).

 

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1

Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow
(with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased if you would join
us -- Location to be announced).

  

Thursday, 20 January 2011

DAY 2

09:30 - 14:00 including lunch. 

 

 

 

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Director of Policy

.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

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From olof.nordling at icann.org  Wed Dec  8 22:07:27 2010
From: olof.nordling at icann.org (Olof Nordling)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:07:27 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London trip -- dates
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C3C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it's the Review Team's choice - and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow - 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn't harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards...) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
Director of Policy
.ORG, The Public Interest Registry
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 22:13:13 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London trip -- dates
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <4763C211-1C99-4DF9-8BD2-5013F328B6F9@paypal.com>

I sincerely appreciate the efforts of our London planning team. This type of work generally goes unappreciated and I wanted to acknowledge your work and thank you for it.

Can we please meet for a full day on *both* days. Several of us will spend two days en route to and from London. To me, that seems out of balance, especially given that we missed an opportunity to meet here in Cartagena.

On Dec 8, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011

Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
Director of Policy
.ORG, The Public Interest Registry
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From lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com  Wed Dec  8 22:23:10 2010
From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:23:10 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London trip -- dates
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Wed Dec  8 22:43:55 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London trip -- dates
In-Reply-To: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C3C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Olof,

I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).

While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.

Regards

Bill

On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it?s the Review Team?s choice ? and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow ? 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn?t harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards?) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
Director of Policy
.ORG, The Public Interest Registry
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From kKleiman at pir.org  Thu Dec  9 01:21:02 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Brainstorming notes
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDB1@tetra.PIR.com>

Dear All,

I wanted to circulate the "brainstorming notes" from our informal
session in Cartagena. Tx to Sharon, Susan and Lynn  for joining us by
phone. Tx to Wilfried, Bill and James for joining us in person, as well
as Olof, Alice and Liz. Liz did an excellent presentation and overview
of the types of materials ICANN has on Whois - it was very helpful.

 

As promised, let me share with you the brainstorming notes - in draft
form.  These are the notes that emerged from the two working groups that
worked for 45 minutes separately on scope of work issues. When we came
together we found many question in common - a framework for our scope of
work.

 

Notes below and attached.  Please feel free to edit - all who attended.
Please feel free to build on these ideas - all!

 

 

Brainstorming notes from the Information  Whois Review Team Session in
Cartagena (below and attached - same document)

 

I.                 REMOTE GROUP IDEAS (as written up on large sheets of
white paper)

 

Communication concerns

 

Definitions Consumer + Law Enforcement needed

 

"Consumer:" private + business

 

"Law Enforcement" - policy powers? IP interests? courts?

 

More work in London

 

Scope work not limited

 

Any relevant topics to be included

 

 

II.               LOCAL GROUP IDEAS (as written up on large sheets of
white paper, and edited based on  Kathy's notes as secretary of the
local group)

 

Starting point: we need to have a scope, but I should have some leniency
(to cover things we may miss upfront.  Our outreach efforts may also
help us find bases we have not covered).  Keep it open-ended, but be
concise.

 

Terms not defined: 

-   Consumer (buyer, registrant, those involved with general operations
of the Internet)

-   law enforcement

-   legitimate needs of law enforcement

-   promotes consumer trust

 

Additional aspects to consider:

-   applicable laws

-   international jurisdictional issues

-   different laws

-   paying attention to laws around the world.

-   Contract vs. law (agreements among parties for choice of law versus
what national law and public policy might require).

 

Look at consultants

Non US centric approach

 

Uniform experience for consumers? Registrars under different
jurisdictions

Competition issues --> consumer experience

 

Regarding approach to definitions: build tree structure to explore these
issues starting with Affirmation of Commitments and building from there.

 

Define stakeholders

 

Well defined scope but be flexible 

 

Avoid discussing definitions and scope too much, and thus have no time
to do work.

 

Discussion - the 3 bullets - pretty vague

 

Scope should not be too explicit, potentially finishing

 

Provide framework vs. definition today

 

 

III.              TOGETHER - When we resumed together (remote and local
groups)

 

Considerable overlap in our work. 

 

Agreed: "Sounds like rough agreement" -- Review of larger group

            

Before London/London:

            Work on Definitions

Create Framework for the questions we want to ask (to ourselves and
others) and a way of processing the feedback we expect.

 

            Olof and James suggest working on a tree structure -
starting with the basic broad ideas, and further defining them into the
details.

What's Next?  General Agreement on need for:

1.     More formal scoping document

2.     Merging work today into Wiki document

3.     Creating a work plan for London

4.     Holding a teleconference before London

5.     Opening today's work to the whole of the Review Team for ideas,
thoughts, concern, questions and additions. 

 

 

Kathy Kleiman

Director of Policy

.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

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From emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 09:09:33 2010
From: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk (Emily Taylor)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:09:33 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
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Dear all

I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.

Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

Any comments?
On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:

> Olof,
> 
> I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).
> 
> While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
> However, it?s the Review Team?s choice ? and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow ? 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn?t harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards?) so yes, it is possible.
> All the best
> Olof
> 
> From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
> To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: London trip -- dates
> 
> Hi All,
> The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).
> 
> Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?
> 
> Best,
> Kathy
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
> Face to Face meeting, London,
> 19 to 20 January 2011
> Tuesday, 18 January 2011
> Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
> A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).
> 
> Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
> Full day F2F Meeting
> 09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).
> 
> Thursday, 20 January 2011
> DAY 2
> 09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Kathy Kleiman
> Director of Policy
> .ORG, The Public Interest Registry
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From kKleiman at pir.org  Thu Dec  9 16:34:16 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Technical Evolution of the Whois - now taking place
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>

An excellent session is now taking place at ICANN - with the ability to
have remote observation and participation.

Technical Evolution of the Whois.

 

Link to participation: http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15423

Best,

Kathy Kleiman

Director of Policy

.ORG, The Public Interest Registry

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From denise.michel at icann.org  Thu Dec  9 16:50:51 2010
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Technical Evolution of the Whois - now taking place
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>
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Another session that may be of interest to the Whois Review Team also
is occurring at the same time:

Forum on DNS Abuse:  http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15411

Both events have remote participation options, and audio and scribe
archives will be available for both.  These can be accessed by
clicking on the event name on the Cartagena schedule page:
http://cartagena39.icann.org/full-schedule

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President
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+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org> wrote:
> An excellent session is now taking place at ICANN ? with the ability to have
> remote observation and participation.
>
> Technical Evolution of the Whois.
>
>
>
> Link to participation: http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15423
>
> Best,
>
> Kathy Kleiman
>
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>
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>
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Thu Dec  9 19:37:31 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Technical Evolution of the Whois - now taking place
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <DBAC49BB-1924-4275-A339-ADB812BC0844@paypal.com>

I'd be interested in any comments you might have regarding this session. It was on my list to attend but it unfortunately it overlapped with the IGF session, a session that was timely and of particular interest to me.

One comment I have is that *technical* evolution of the *protocol* should occur at the IETF. ICANN *might* be a place to gather requirements since it references WHOIS in its contracts but it certainly is not a place to develop any technical enhancements to an IETF  protocol.

That's a comment I would have made had I attended the session.

On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

An excellent session is now taking place at ICANN ? with the ability to have remote observation and participation.
Technical Evolution of the Whois.

Link to participation: http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15423
Best,
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From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at  Thu Dec  9 19:43:14 2010
From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:43:14 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
In-Reply-To: <A59F0324-E1B5-4E00-9F6E-E6794946A03E@etlaw.co.uk>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>	<05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C3C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>	<0B1ED3CD-5AD3-4F64-8B31-1365E05F7FF0@paypal.com>
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Message-ID: <4D013152.7000604@CC.UniVie.ac.at>

Emily Taylor wrote:

> Dear all
[...]
> I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear
> what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.
>
> Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour
> of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those
> with flights home to catch them.

I'd be fine to continue the meeting throughout the afternoon of day 2,
still with a view to catch the last plane back home (to be identified).

> My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is
> that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

True. Well, I'd also be OK with spending another night in London in
order "to deal with that danger", if this is useful. The meeting that
was foreseen for me to attend on Friday was moved to one week later,
meanwhile.

> Any comments?

Thanks,
Wilfried


From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at  Thu Dec  9 20:11:27 2010
From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:11:27 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Technical Evolution of the Whois - now taking place
In-Reply-To: <DBAC49BB-1924-4275-A339-ADB812BC0844@paypal.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CDF9@tetra.PIR.com>
	<DBAC49BB-1924-4275-A339-ADB812BC0844@paypal.com>
Message-ID: <4D0137EF.2080707@CC.UniVie.ac.at>

Smith, Bill wrote:

> I'd be interested in any comments you might have regarding this session.
> It was on my list to attend but it unfortunately it overlapped with the
> IGF session, a session that was timely and of particular interest to me.
> 
> One comment I have is that *technical* evolution of the *protocol* should
> occur at the IETF. ICANN *might* be a place to gather requirements since
> it references WHOIS in its contracts but it certainly is not a place to
> develop any technical enhancements to an IETF  protocol.
> 
> That's a comment I would have made had I attended the session.

My feeling in this session was: this is pretty well understood :-)

OTOH, there already is/was IRIS, that was developed in the IETF, and
that wasn't tremendously successful :-)

Of course we had some interaction regarding IRIS being potentially a
component in the solution-space, or not...

Btw, just to avoid distraction for this RT, my personal interest in this
topic is based on the resource registry aspect.

Wilfried.


From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Thu Dec  9 20:12:26 2010
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:12:26 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
In-Reply-To: <A59F0324-E1B5-4E00-9F6E-E6794946A03E@etlaw.co.uk>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
	<05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C3C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Emily,

Groups can and frequently do dwindle as meetings wind down. I have also experienced groups where this is less common. I hope this group is of the latter type and we all will do our best to be present for the full complement of our meetings.

Of course there will be events that prevent one or more of us from attending a meeting, or portions thereof. I hope we all consider such case as extraordinary, rather than ordinary.

Regards,

Bill

On Dec 9, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Emily Taylor wrote:

Dear all

I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.

Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

Any comments?
On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:

Olof,

I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).

While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.

Regards

Bill

On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it?s the Review Team?s choice ? and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow ? 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn?t harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards?) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
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From skawaguchi at fb.com  Thu Dec  9 21:01:16 2010
From: skawaguchi at fb.com (Susan Kawaguchi)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:01:16 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
In-Reply-To: <77530167-5EB9-47E3-88F8-D35BA0063DA5@paypal.com>
References: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CD84@tetra.PIR.com>
	<05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7D350278C3C@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
	<0B1ED3CD-5AD3-4F64-8B31-1365E05F7FF0@paypal.com>
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	<77530167-5EB9-47E3-88F8-D35BA0063DA5@paypal.com>
Message-ID: <C628EE0F2F48264180E22431EC6D8E770DAB04D6@sc-mbx06.TheFacebook.com>

Hi Emily, 

I also think we should take advantage of two full days since we are all traveling in.  I think we are going to need as much time as possible to move forward with the work in preparation for the San Francisco meeting.  

Susan 

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Bill
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:12 PM
To: Emily Taylor
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels

Emily,

Groups can and frequently do dwindle as meetings wind down. I have also experienced groups where this is less common. I hope this group is of the latter type and we all will do our best to be present for the full complement of our meetings.

Of course there will be events that prevent one or more of us from attending a meeting, or portions thereof. I hope we all consider such case as extraordinary, rather than ordinary.

Regards,

Bill

On Dec 9, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Emily Taylor wrote:

Dear all

I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.

Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

Any comments?
On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:

Olof,

I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).

While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.

Regards

Bill

On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it's the Review Team's choice - and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow - 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn't harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards...) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
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From sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk  Fri Dec 10 12:39:38 2010
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk (sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:39:38 -0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
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Wilfred,

It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in.  If any
of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
have people available, we will come and pick you up.

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
To: LEMON, Sharon
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London


Thanks, Sharon,

for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)

=0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?

Thanks,
Wilfried

sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> =0D
>
> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you 
> have now had this three times!
>
> 
>
> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>
> 
>
> Hello All,
>
> 
>
> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just

> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>
> 
>
> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf, 
> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
> which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special

> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate 
> arrangements?  We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on 
> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and 
> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal. 
> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch 
> before you leave on 20^th .
>
> 
>
> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do 
> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I 
> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>
> 
>
> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on 
> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>
> 
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> 
>
> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we 
> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>
> 
>
> Sharon


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From kKleiman at pir.org  Fri Dec 10 12:45:15 2010
From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:45:15 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation
	needed?
In-Reply-To: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3B@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
References: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3B@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>

Does anyone need assistance with Visas?  I understand that it might be
helpful to some of our members to have letters of invitation.  ICANN can
certainly help with that.  Would anyone like one?

-----Original Message-----
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
[mailto:sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; Kathy Kleiman; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London



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Wilfred,

It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in.  If any
of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
have people available, we will come and pick you up.

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
To: LEMON, Sharon
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London


Thanks, Sharon,

for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)

=0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?

Thanks,
Wilfried

sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> =0D
>
> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you 
> have now had this three times!
>
> 
>
> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>
> 
>
> Hello All,
>
> 
>
> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just

> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>
> 
>
> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf, 
> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
> which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special

> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate 
> arrangements?  We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on 
> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and 
> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal. 
> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch 
> before you leave on 20^th .
>
> 
>
> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do 
> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I 
> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>
> 
>
> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on 
> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>
> 
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> 
>
> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we 
> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>
> 
>
> Sharon


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From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Fri Dec 10 12:52:36 2010
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:52:36 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation
	needed?
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3B@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
	<DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkhc5aSqET60jiS85XJ_0WV_YN823W0F7WCT7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Kathy,

Just in case I want one please. My polish passport isn't ready yet.

All the best,
Omar


2010/12/10 Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org>:
> Does anyone need assistance with Visas? ?I understand that it might be
> helpful to some of our members to have letters of invitation. ?ICANN can
> certainly help with that. ?Would anyone like one?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
> [mailto:sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at
> Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; Kathy Kleiman; rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
>
>
>
> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED
>
> -- Converted from text/plain format -->
>
>
>
> Wilfred,
>
> It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in. ?If any
> of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
> have people available, we will come and pick you up.
>
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
> Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
> To: LEMON, Sharon
> Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
>
>
> Thanks, Sharon,
>
> for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)
>
> =0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
> to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
> large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
> with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?
>
> Thanks,
> Wilfried
>
> sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
>> =0D
>>
>> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you
>> have now had this three times!
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
>> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
>> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just
>
>> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>>
>>
>>
>> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf,
>> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
>> which is 5 minutes from our offices. ?Can anyone advise of any special
>
>> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate
>> arrangements? ?We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on
>> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and
>> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal.
>> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch
>> before you leave on 20^th .
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do
>> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I
>> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>>
>>
>>
>> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on
>> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we
>> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sharon
>
>
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From sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk  Fri Dec 10 12:52:25 2010
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk (sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:52:25 -0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
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NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED 

Dear All,
 
As ICANN do not sign contracts, I am going to undertake that on behalf
of the group with the hotel.Obviously this comes with a liaibility to
pay whatever happens and  I need to do this early next week, so really
do need to press on how many, and for how long.
 
I am happy to accommodate you all as long as possible, as we have waited
for a long time to meet and the subject matter and surrounding issues
are very complex.  I really hope this is going to be the solid
foundation on which we build our work.
 
So - very flexible this end - am keeping most of week clear to
accomodate any special requests or travel arrangements - but need to now
hotel numbers and dates by Monday.
 
Have a good weekend, and happy travels to those travelling from
Columbia.
 
Best Wishes
 
Sharon

	-----Original Message-----
	From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org
[mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
	Sent: 09 December 2010 09:10
	To: Smith, Bill
	Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
	Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
	
	
	Dear all 

	I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

	I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that
Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

	Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the
informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team
building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be
possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of
flights from other European destinations.

	Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of
the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

	I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and
hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

	Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments
in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow
those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last
afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as
people catch their planes.

	Any comments?
	
	On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:

=0D
		Olof,
		
		I appreciate, support, and practice responsible
spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what
we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and
the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of
our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are
under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a
two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).
		
		While it may be possible for some to arrive in London
the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very
early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those
individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended
meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only
when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on
the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.
		
		Regards
		
		Bill
		
		On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:
		
		Hello Kathy,
		Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and
count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like
Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of
one hour for those in continental Europe.
		However, it's the Review Team's choice - and there is
also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in
January (for obvious reasons like snow - 5 cm is enough to close
Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn't harmonized European climate
to Portuguese standards...) so yes, it is possible.
		All the best
		Olof
		
		From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
		Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
		To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
		Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
		Subject: London trip -- dates
		
		Hi All,
		The agenda is still under review, but let me share with
you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are
planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda
(which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).
		
		Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it
is central that people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and
refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?
		
		Best,
		Kathy
		--------------------------------------------------
		
		Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule
bits only)
		Face to Face meeting, London,
		19 to 20 January 2011
		Tuesday, 18 January 2011
		Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
		A location for evening  drinks will be established at or
near our hotel (further details to follow).
		
		Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
		Full day F2F Meeting
		09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening
dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased
if you would join us -- Location to be announced).
		
		Thursday, 20 January 2011
		DAY 2
		09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.
		
		
		
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From olof.nordling at icann.org  Fri Dec 10 13:16:24 2010
From: olof.nordling at icann.org (Olof Nordling)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:16:24 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of
	invitation	needed?
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	<DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>
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Dear Omar,
I copy this reply to my colleague Matt who handles travel arrangements and can help you with a letter of invitation. Please provide him with your personal details, notably Name (as it appears on your passport),       Profession, Nationality, Passport No and Email.
Very best regards
Olof  

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Omar Kaminski
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:53 AM
To: Kathy Kleiman
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation needed?

Dear Kathy,

Just in case I want one please. My polish passport isn't ready yet.

All the best,
Omar


2010/12/10 Kathy Kleiman <kKleiman at pir.org>:
> Does anyone need assistance with Visas? ?I understand that it might be
> helpful to some of our members to have letters of invitation. ?ICANN can
> certainly help with that. ?Would anyone like one?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
> [mailto:sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk]
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at
> Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; Kathy Kleiman; rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
>
>
>
> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED
>
> -- Converted from text/plain format -->
>
>
>
> Wilfred,
>
> It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in. ?If any
> of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
> have people available, we will come and pick you up.
>
> Sharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
> Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
> To: LEMON, Sharon
> Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London
>
>
> Thanks, Sharon,
>
> for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)
>
> =0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
> to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
> large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
> with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?
>
> Thanks,
> Wilfried
>
> sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
>> =0D
>>
>> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you
>> have now had this three times!
>>
>>
>>
>> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
>> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
>> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just
>
>> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>>
>>
>>
>> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf,
>> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
>> which is 5 minutes from our offices. ?Can anyone advise of any special
>
>> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate
>> arrangements? ?We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on
>> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and
>> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal.
>> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch
>> before you leave on 20^th .
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do
>> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I
>> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>>
>>
>>
>> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on
>> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we
>> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sharon
>
>
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From Yakushev at dstadvisors.ru  Fri Dec 10 13:23:22 2010
From: Yakushev at dstadvisors.ru (Yakushev Mikhail)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:23:22 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of
	invitation	needed?
In-Reply-To: <DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>
References: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3B@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
	<DE144BA8CAB2C8418F485515B9AEFA690536CE67@tetra.PIR.com>
Message-ID: <7C0268D000FB534D8BEDFAD61C5E72A801994E@OWA.mazal.ru>

I need.
Rgds,
Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:45 PM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation needed?

Does anyone need assistance with Visas?  I understand that it might be
helpful to some of our members to have letters of invitation.  ICANN can
certainly help with that.  Would anyone like one?

-----Original Message-----
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
[mailto:sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at
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Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London



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Wilfred,

It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in.  If any
of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
have people available, we will come and pick you up.

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
To: LEMON, Sharon
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London


Thanks, Sharon,

for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)

=0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?

Thanks,
Wilfried

sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> =0D
>
> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you 
> have now had this three times!
>
> 
>
> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>
> 
>
> Hello All,
>
> 
>
> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just

> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>
> 
>
> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf, 
> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
> which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special

> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate 
> arrangements?  We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on 
> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and 
> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal. 
> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch 
> before you leave on 20^th .
>
> 
>
> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do 
> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I 
> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>
> 
>
> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on 
> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>
> 
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> 
>
> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we 
> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>
> 
>
> Sharon


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From olof.nordling at icann.org  Fri Dec 10 13:27:11 2010
From: olof.nordling at icann.org (Olof Nordling)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:27:11 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters
	of	invitation	needed?
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References: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3B@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
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Dear Mikhail,
As for Omar, I copy this to Matt who can help you with a letter of invitation. Please provide him with your personal details, notably Name (as it appears on your passport), Profession, Nationality, Passport Number and Email.
Very best regards
Olof

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Yakushev Mikhail
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:23 AM
To: 'Kathy Kleiman'; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation needed?

I need.
Rgds,
Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:45 PM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London - letters of invitation needed?

Does anyone need assistance with Visas?  I understand that it might be
helpful to some of our members to have letters of invitation.  ICANN can
certainly help with that.  Would anyone like one?

-----Original Message-----
From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
[mailto:sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; Kathy Kleiman; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London



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Wilfred,

It is an easy journey, 1.5 hours max for journey and check in.  If any
of you need assistance with travel to and from, let me know and if we
have people available, we will come and pick you up.

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet [mailto:Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at]
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:49
To: LEMON, Sharon
Cc: sharonchallis at aol.com; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Arrangements for London


Thanks, Sharon,

for the logistics info! I only received one copy :-)

=0AQuestion to the "locals" and/or to those with experience travelling
to/from the Docklands - how much time should I reserve (with a resonably
large time-buffer) to get to LCY from the meeting site plus check-in
with Lufthansa, emigration formalities and all that fun?

Thanks,
Wilfried

sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk wrote:
> =0D
>
> This came back as undelivered, so here we go again. Forgive me if you 
> have now had this three times!
>
> 
>
> Classification: Not protectively marked.
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LEMON, Sharon
> *Sent:* 08 December 2010 13:11
> *To:* 'sharonchallis at aol.com'; kKleiman at pir.org; rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Arrangement for London
>
> 
>
> Hello All,
>
> 
>
> Not sure if you got this, as it was sent from my AOL account - so just

> in case you didn't, here it is again!.
>
> 
>
> The hotel we have booked is the Hilton, Canary Wharf, 
> (www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf <http://www.hilton.co.uk/canarywharf>)
> which is 5 minutes from our offices.  Can anyone advise of any special

> requirements, food or services, so we can make appropriate 
> arrangements?  We are planning on informal drinks near the hotel on 
> night of 18^th , buffet lunch in the conference room on 19^th , and 
> then to Hazev Restaurant on night of 19^th for the formal meal. 
> (www.hazev.com <http://www.hazev.com/>). Then another buffet lunch 
> before you leave on 20^th .
>
> 
>
> If anyone needs assistance with travel arrangements, or wants to do 
> anything in London if they have some extra time, do let me know. I 
> would like to make the experience as enjoyable as possible
>
> 
>
> The nearest airport is London City and nearest tube Canary Wharf, on 
> the District line. We will send maps nearer the time.
>
> 
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> 
>
> I'm not sure if we have another call before Christmas, but in case we 
> don't, I hope you all have a wonderful time and Happy New Year,
>
> 
>
> Sharon


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From olof.nordling at icann.org  Fri Dec 10 14:08:58 2010
From: olof.nordling at icann.org (Olof Nordling)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:08:58 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
In-Reply-To: <87E2F4F00724B74781794CD88DBC997D07215B3E@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk>
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Dear Sharon and all,
It is not unusual that ICANN signs contracts, in fact, quite the contrary;-) - I copy this to Matt for his assessment of how quickly this can be done here. I realize that there seems to be a hard stop very soon from the hotel side and if the timing doesn't work for an ICANN-signed contract the alternative would be to provide an ICANN guarantee for the hotel bookings and thank you Sharon for front-ending the arrangement with the hotel.
Thanks
Olof

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:52 AM
To: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk; bill.smith at paypal-inc.com
Cc: belinda.shean at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels


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Dear All,

As ICANN do not sign contracts, I am going to undertake that on behalf of the group with the hotel.Obviously this comes with a liaibility to pay whatever happens and  I need to do this early next week, so really do need to press on how many, and for how long.

I am happy to accommodate you all as long as possible, as we have waited for a long time to meet and the subject matter and surrounding issues are very complex.  I really hope this is going to be the solid foundation on which we build our work.

So - very flexible this end - am keeping most of week clear to accomodate any special requests or travel arrangements - but need to now hotel numbers and dates by Monday.

Have a good weekend, and happy travels to those travelling from Columbia.

Best Wishes

Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
Sent: 09 December 2010 09:10
To: Smith, Bill
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
Dear all

I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.

Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

Any comments?
On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:


Olof,

I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).

While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.

Regards

Bill

On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it's the Review Team's choice - and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow - 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn't harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards...) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
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From emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk  Fri Dec 10 14:12:41 2010
From: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk (Emily Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:12:41 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
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Dear Olof

Thank you for this clarification, which is most welcome.

Kind regards

Emily

On 10 Dec 2010, at 14:08, Olof Nordling wrote:

> Dear Sharon and all,
> It is not unusual that ICANN signs contracts, in fact, quite the contrary;-) ? I copy this to Matt for his assessment of how quickly this can be done here. I realize that there seems to be a hard stop very soon from the hotel side and if the timing doesn?t work for an ICANN-signed contract the alternative would be to provide an ICANN guarantee for the hotel bookings and thank you Sharon for front-ending the arrangement with the hotel.
> Thanks
> Olof
>  
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:52 AM
> To: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk; bill.smith at paypal-inc.com
> Cc: belinda.shean at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk; rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
>  
> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> As ICANN do not sign contracts, I am going to undertake that on behalf of the group with the hotel.Obviously this comes with a liaibility to pay whatever happens and  I need to do this early next week, so really do need to press on how many, and for how long.
>  
> I am happy to accommodate you all as long as possible, as we have waited for a long time to meet and the subject matter and surrounding issues are very complex.  I really hope this is going to be the solid foundation on which we build our work.
>  
> So - very flexible this end - am keeping most of week clear to accomodate any special requests or travel arrangements - but need to now hotel numbers and dates by Monday.
>  
> Have a good weekend, and happy travels to those travelling from Columbia.
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> Sharon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
> Sent: 09 December 2010 09:10
> To: Smith, Bill
> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
> 
> Dear all
>  
> I've been reviewing these threads re: London.
>  
> I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.
>  
> Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.
>  
> Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.
>  
> I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.
>  
> Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.
>  
> Any comments?
> On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:
> 
> 
> Olof,
> 
> I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).
> 
> While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
> However, it?s the Review Team?s choice ? and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow ? 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn?t harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards?) so yes, it is possible.
> All the best
> Olof
> 
> From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
> To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: London trip -- dates
> 
> Hi All,
> The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).
> 
> Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?
> 
> Best,
> Kathy
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
> Face to Face meeting, London,
> 19 to 20 January 2011
> Tuesday, 18 January 2011
> Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
> A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).
> 
> Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
> Full day F2F Meeting
> 09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).
> 
> Thursday, 20 January 2011
> DAY 2
> 09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Kathy Kleiman
> Director of Policy
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From kim at vonarx.ca  Fri Dec 10 16:51:50 2010
From: kim at vonarx.ca (Kim G. von Arx)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
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I also support the full 2-day meeting proposal as opposed to 1.5 or 1.75 days. 

Kim 


On 10 Dec 2010, at 07:52, <sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> <sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> wrote:

> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> As ICANN do not sign contracts, I am going to undertake that on behalf of the group with the hotel.Obviously this comes with a liaibility to pay whatever happens and  I need to do this early next week, so really do need to press on how many, and for how long.
>  
> I am happy to accommodate you all as long as possible, as we have waited for a long time to meet and the subject matter and surrounding issues are very complex.  I really hope this is going to be the solid foundation on which we build our work.
>  
> So - very flexible this end - am keeping most of week clear to accomodate any special requests or travel arrangements - but need to now hotel numbers and dates by Monday.
>  
> Have a good weekend, and happy travels to those travelling from Columbia.
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> Sharon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
> Sent: 09 December 2010 09:10
> To: Smith, Bill
> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
> 
> Dear all
> 
> I've been reviewing these threads re: London.
> 
> I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.
> 
> Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.
> 
> Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.
> 
> I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.
> 
> Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.
> 
> Any comments?
> On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:
> 
>> Olof,
>> 
>> I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).
>> 
>> While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kathy,
>> Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
>> However, it?s the Review Team?s choice ? and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow ? 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn?t harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards?) so yes, it is possible.
>> All the best
>> Olof
>> 
>> From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
>> To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
>> Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
>> Subject: London trip -- dates
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).
>> 
>> Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before? and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
>> Face to Face meeting, London,
>> 19 to 20 January 2011
>> Tuesday, 18 January 2011
>> Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
>> A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).
>> 
>> Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
>> Full day F2F Meeting
>> 09:30 - 18:00 ? including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff ? we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).
>> 
>> Thursday, 20 January 2011
>> DAY 2
>> 09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kathy Kleiman
>> Director of Policy
>> .ORG, The Public Interest Registry
>> Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846|  www.pir.org<http://www.pir.org> |
>> 
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From matt.ashtiani at icann.org  Sat Dec 11 01:02:34 2010
From: matt.ashtiani at icann.org (Matt Ashtiani)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:02:34 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
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Hi All,

I have no authority to sign contracts and those that do are either in Cartagena or not in the office. Realistically, I do not think this can be accomplished by Monday (which is Sunday night/very early morning Monday morning my time). Everyone in Cartagena will just be returning home and it is quite likely that they will not come into the office on Monday.

Alternatively, I think it would be best if I book the approved dates as "one offs" for each individual. This would mean that I would make the arrangements and pay for the rooms directly.  The benefits of this scenario are:

*         Members would not have to be out of pocket (as an FYI, our Accounts Payable Departments takes up to 30 days to make a wire. There is then the issue of returns, holds, etc.);

*         Sharon and her organization do not need to make a guarantee for such a large amount of money;

*         I would be able to cancel rooms and receive a refund if members are unable to attend;

*         Hotel information could quickly be given to those who need it for visa purposes; and

*         I am able to book the rooms for less than quoted.

One additional point to consider is the time frame we are working with (end of Cartagena, holidays, new years, etc.). If I book the rooms directly, I feel we would be able to accomplish this task mush more quickly.

To be clear, this would just be lodging and not conference rooms. If you are in need of conference rooms I apologize but I am unable to assist.

Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

Thank you,

Matt Ashtiani
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ICANN
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From: Olof Nordling
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:09 AM
To: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk; emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk; bill.smith at paypal-inc.com
Cc: belinda.shean at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk; rt4-whois at icann.org; Matt Ashtiani
Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels

Dear Sharon and all,
It is not unusual that ICANN signs contracts, in fact, quite the contrary;-) - I copy this to Matt for his assessment of how quickly this can be done here. I realize that there seems to be a hard stop very soon from the hotel side and if the timing doesn't work for an ICANN-signed contract the alternative would be to provide an ICANN guarantee for the hotel bookings and thank you Sharon for front-ending the arrangement with the hotel.
Thanks
Olof

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 7:52 AM
To: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk; bill.smith at paypal-inc.com
Cc: belinda.shean at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels


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Dear All,

As ICANN do not sign contracts, I am going to undertake that on behalf of the group with the hotel.Obviously this comes with a liaibility to pay whatever happens and  I need to do this early next week, so really do need to press on how many, and for how long.

I am happy to accommodate you all as long as possible, as we have waited for a long time to meet and the subject matter and surrounding issues are very complex.  I really hope this is going to be the solid foundation on which we build our work.

So - very flexible this end - am keeping most of week clear to accomodate any special requests or travel arrangements - but need to now hotel numbers and dates by Monday.

Have a good weekend, and happy travels to those travelling from Columbia.

Best Wishes

Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
Sent: 09 December 2010 09:10
To: Smith, Bill
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: [Rt4-whois] London Agenda and Hotels
Dear all

I've been reviewing these threads re: London.

I appreciate the comments that have been made, and the work that Olof Alice and the staffers are doing on the logistics.

Given that so few of us made it to Cartagena, I view the informal meeting up the night before as an important part of our team building.  I can understand that travelling from Brussels may be possible on the morning, but hear what others say about the length of flights from other European destinations.

Please can we extend an extra night in the hotel for members of the team who do not want to travel on the morning.

I'm also looking at the agenda over the next day or two, and hear what the US contingent say about planning for 2 full days.

Before Kathy and I take this on board - are there any comments in favour of the original plan, ie stopping around 1400 or 1500 to allow those with flights home to catch them.  My usual experience of the last afternoon of meetings of this kind is that the group dwindles in size as people catch their planes.

Any comments?
On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:43, Smith, Bill wrote:

Olof,

I appreciate, support, and practice responsible spending. I think we also need to be respectful of individuals and what we might be asking them to do in the name of fiscal responsibility and the risks we are taking by asking people to arrive on the first day of our meeting and leave on the second. WIth that in mind, I believe we are under-estimating the number of hotel nights that we will need for a two-day meeting (or even the current proposal for a day and a half).

While it may be possible for some to arrive in London the morning of our meeting, to do so may require them to secure very early morning flights or trains and we run the risk that those individuals will be delayed, perhaps significantly. I have attended meetings with very tight travel arrangements, but tend to do so only when absolutely necessary. Also, asking that we plan to leave London on the evening of our second day is impractical at best for some of us.

Regards

Bill

On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Olof Nordling wrote:

Hello Kathy,
Our thinking was to be parsimonious with the budget and count on Europeans being able to reach London the same morning (like Alice and I have planned), especially since UK time adds a cushion of one hour for those in continental Europe.
However, it's the Review Team's choice - and there is also a risk factor with counting on early morning flights into London in January (for obvious reasons like snow - 5 cm is enough to close Heathrow- and fog, as long as the EU hasn't harmonized European climate to Portuguese standards...) so yes, it is possible.
All the best
Olof

From: Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kKleiman at pir.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Alice Jansen; Denise Michel
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: London trip -- dates

Hi All,
The agenda is still under review, but let me share with you the vision that we have, and the agenda overview that we are planning (below). It is modeled on the schedule of the PIR Board agenda (which works well for getting a lot of work done in a short time).

Given the long day of the main meeting (Wednesday), it is central that people arrive the day before... and be fully rested and refreshed for our long day on Wed!  Is that possible?

Best,
Kathy
--------------------------------------------------

Agenda of the Whois Review Team (Kathy note: schedule bits only)
Face to Face meeting, London,
19 to 20 January 2011
Tuesday, 18 January 2011
Arrival by members of the Whois Review Team.
A location for evening  drinks will be established at or near our hotel (further details to follow).

Wednesday, 19 January 2011 - DAY 1
Full day F2F Meeting
09:30 - 18:00 - including lunch, and an nice evening dinner to follow (with Whois Team and ICANN Staff - we would be pleased if you would join us -- Location to be announced).

Thursday, 20 January 2011
DAY 2
09:30 - 14:00 including lunch.



Kathy Kleiman
Director of Policy
.ORG, The Public Interest Registry
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