From omar at kaminski.adv.br Mon Mar 14 00:08:17 2011 From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:08:17 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] RT dinner - Kind remidner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=335+Powell+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA,+United+States&daddr=314+Sutter+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94108&hl=en&geocode=FViYQAIdkzG0-CkthevdjoCFgDFs594dLnTy9g%3BFbmfQAIdXTy0-CkZdZdBiYCFgDHjxKEwVxFSLw&mra=ls&sll=37.790642,-122.405806&sspn=0.007495,0.01929&g=314+Sutter+St,+San+Francisco,+California+94108&ie=UTF8&ll=37.788319,-122.406181&spn=0.003782,0.009645&t=h&z=17 :) 2011/3/13 Alice Jansen : > Where? > E&0 Trading Co - Cinnabar Room > 314 Sutter Street, San Francisco, CA 9410 > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=314+Sutter+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA+9410&aq=&sll=40.833966,-98.19758&sspn=28.770412,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=314+Sutter+St,+San+Francisco,+California+94108&ll=37.790642,-122.405806&spn=0.007359,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A > When? > 7:00 ? 10:00 > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > From lutz at iks-jena.de Mon Mar 14 00:40:49 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Proposal for the consultations References: Message-ID: This are the current slides for ASO and Community consultation. http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-ASO-Consultation.ppt http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-ASO-Consultation.pdf http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.ppt http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.pdf From kKleiman at pir.org Mon Mar 14 01:57:15 2011 From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] running a little late... Message-ID: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133EEB@pir-mail-01> ... so I will meet you at the restaurant in a few minutes (and not in the lobby in a few moments). Tx!! Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG, The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846| www.pir.org | Find us on Facebook | .ORG Blog | Flickr | YouTube | Twitter | Confidentiality Note: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110313/2edf69d1/attachment.html From emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk Mon Mar 14 13:15:25 2011 From: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk (Emily Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:15:25 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Proposal for the consultations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lutz Thanks for sending these slides through, and for your work on the slide decks. For the ASO meeting, I'm not sure I understand the thinking on the thinking. I also don't want to alarm the ASO (or ccNSO for that matter) with any suggestion that we might be reviewing their WHOIS policies - I expect they would be strongly resistant to any such suggestion, or blurring of boundaries, because their policy making is independent of the ICANN process. I would prefer us to be more neutral (and this goes for the longer slide deck), and make statements which are supported by the whole RT. The sessions this week are much less about our opinions, and much more about asking different sections of the community to: - Highlight issues which they believe are important in relation to our work - Identify any key documents which they think we should consider - Tell us if there are best practices in their community which might benefit the ICANN community And I think that's it. As your last slide rightly says - we want their views, right here, right now. Kind regards Emily 2011/3/14 Lutz Donnerhacke > This are the current slides for ASO and Community consultation. > http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-ASO-Consultation.ppt > http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-ASO-Consultation.pdf > http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.ppt > http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110314/16dd7bc6/attachment.html From kKleiman at pir.org Mon Mar 14 19:40:41 2011 From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:40:41 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Cancellation of Registry meeting Message-ID: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133F3C@pir-mail-01> Dear All, I have just received notice from the Chairman of the Registries Stakeholder Group that they will be unable to meet with us tomorrow afternoon. The RySG sends its apologies, and notes that with all the GAC-Board work, the new gTLDs and the "rules of the road" are now their top priority at this time. They very much look forward to meeting us in Singapore. All the best, Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG, The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846| www.pir.org | Find us on Facebook | .ORG Blog | Flickr | YouTube | Twitter | Confidentiality Note: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110314/ecca77d7/attachment.html From lutz at iks-jena.de Mon Mar 14 20:11:12 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Proposal for the consultations References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 01:15:25PM +0000, Emily Taylor wrote: > For the ASO meeting, I'm not sure I understand the thinking on the > thinking. I also don't want to alarm the ASO (or ccNSO for that matter) > with any suggestion that we might be reviewing their WHOIS policies - I > expect they would be strongly resistant to any such suggestion, or blurring > of boundaries, because their policy making is independent of the ICANN > process. I talked on these slides with Wilfried yesterday. The slides does not imply any responsibilites on the ASO internal policy making process, but we refer to the known abilities of the ASO members and urges them to offer us transfer of their experience from their own fields to our subject. It does not state, that those questions are in scope of the whois review, but it points out areas which looks promising for input. > I would prefer us to be more neutral (and this goes for the longer slide > deck), and make statements which are supported by the whole RT. That's why I distribute the slides beforehand. I'd be more happy, if we had discussed our slides for the community on sunday, but there are other important agenda items. I went through the slides with Sarmad and heavily extended them to meet your agenda for the Community interaction. > sessions this week are much less about our opinions, and much more about > asking different sections of the community to: > > - Highlight issues which they believe are important in relation to our work > - Identify any key documents which they think we should consider > - Tell us if there are best practices in their community which might benefit > the ICANN community Of course, I'll add an slide on this subject. As well as slides on the current definitions (slightly edited to fit the text into the slides). BTW: It's hard for me, because the LE was changed in a way I'd tried to avoid. Current state: http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.ppt http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/vortrag/RT4-Community-Consultation.pdf From lutz at iks-jena.de Mon Mar 14 21:22:19 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consulation with ccNSO Message-ID: I just read through the various MoU, Letter Exchanges and sponsoring agreements with ccTLDs. To my honest surprise, several of those "contracts" has a paragraph named "Conformity to ICANN Policies": ... the interoperability of the Delegated ccTLD with other parts of the DNS and Internet; operational capabilities and performance of the ccTLD operator; and the obtaining and maintenance of, and public access to, accurate and up-to-date contact information for domain name registrants; Interestingly, the paragraph varies on the various documents: the stable part is up to the first semicolon, it appears in almost all documents. The second part is more or less a strongly recommend option. Please point me to the slides for the various consulations. From emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk Mon Mar 14 22:12:06 2011 From: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk (Emily Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:12:06 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Cancellation of Registry meeting In-Reply-To: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133F3C@pir-mail-01> References: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133F3C@pir-mail-01> Message-ID: Dear Kathy Thanks for letting us know. Let's schedule something in for Singapore as soon as we can. Best, Emily On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote: > Dear All, > > I have just received notice from the Chairman of the Registries Stakeholder > Group that they will be unable to meet with us tomorrow afternoon. The RySG > sends its apologies, and notes that with all the GAC-Board work, the new > gTLDs and the ?rules of the road? are now their top priority at this time. > They very much look forward to meeting us in Singapore. > > > > All the best, > > > > *Kathy Kleiman* > > Director of Policy > > .ORG, The Public Interest Registry > > Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846| www.pir.org | > > > > Find us on Facebook | .ORG Blog | > Flickr | YouTube | > Twitter | > > > > *Confidentiality Note:* Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public > Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then > delete. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110314/cc10c71e/attachment.html From denise.michel at icann.org Mon Mar 14 22:19:05 2011 From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Whois Services Report, FYI Message-ID: ICANN/GNSO GNSO Email List Archives [council] <<< Chronological Index >>> <<< Thread Index >>> [council] Whois service requirement To: "council at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" Subject: [council] Whois service requirement From: Steve Sheng Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:43:14 -0800 Accept-language: en-US Acceptlanguage: en-US In-reply-to: List-id: council at gnso.icann.org Sender: owner-council at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thread-index: AcvfXOo8HZYyDh78s0eXoHLQZJUCpQBiG3UP Thread-topic: Whois service requirement Dear Council Members, As recently noted, the Whois service requirements report from July of 2010 has been tentatively added to the GNSO public meeting agenda. I have prepared the following note to provide some background for the discussion. The service requirements report is the result of a Council resolution in May 2009. It requested staff to compile a comprehensive set of requirements for WHOIS that includes: 1) known deficiencies in the current service and, 2) any possible requirements that may be needed to support various policy initiatives that have been suggested in the past. In compiling this report, staff has attempted to distil from current requirements and policy discussions the technical requirements that would be necessary to implement to correct deficiencies and implement various policy proposals. The report is a technical inventory and does not intend to define or suggest the policies or operational rules that should apply. As requested by the GNSO in its resolution of May, 2009, staff shared the initial draft with the GNSO Council and with the other SOs (ccNSO, ASO) and ACs (SSAC, ALAC and GAC) for their input. The Final Report is available at: http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/whois-service-requirements-final-report-29jul10-en.pdf Staff have conducted outreach webinars and workshops of this report, and the presentations can be found here: http://brussels38.icann.org/meetings/brussels2010/presentation-draft-final-inventory-whois-reqs-23jun10-en.pdf. I am happy to answer questions on the list or in San Francisco. warm regards, -- Steve Sheng Senior Technical Analyst ICANN Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers P: +1 (310) 578 8607 C: +1 (310) 463 8430 www.icann.org <<< Chronological Index >>> <<< Thread Index >>> Denise Michel ICANN Advisor to the President & CEO denise.michel at icann.org +1.408.429.3072 mobile +1.310.578.8632 direct From emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk Mon Mar 14 22:26:00 2011 From: emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk (Emily Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:26:00 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consulation with ccNSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lutz Thanks for doing this research - very interesting, and I had completely forgotten about this! It is an interesting commitment in the context of ccTLDs' independence of policy making. I share your surprise. Best, Emily 2011/3/14 Lutz Donnerhacke > I just read through the various MoU, Letter Exchanges and sponsoring > agreements with ccTLDs. To my honest surprise, several of those "contracts" > has a paragraph named "Conformity to ICANN Policies": > > ... the interoperability of the Delegated ccTLD with other parts of the > DNS and Internet; operational capabilities and performance of the ccTLD > operator; and the obtaining and maintenance of, and public access to, > accurate and up-to-date contact information for domain name registrants; > > Interestingly, the paragraph varies on the various documents: the stable > part is up to the first semicolon, it appears in almost all documents. The > second part is more or less a strongly recommend option. > > Please point me to the slides for the various consulations. > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards Emily -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/471e443e/attachment.html From sarmad at cantab.net Tue Mar 15 06:07:20 2011 From: sarmad at cantab.net (Dr.Sarmad Hussain) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC In-Reply-To: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133F96@pir-mail-01> References: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B752760587133F96@pir-mail-01> Message-ID: Dear All, Here is a tentative list of questions for SSAC for your consideration. WHOIS RT is interested to learn SSAC's perspective on: 1. how Whois service contributes to security and stability of the internet? 2. what are current limitations of WHOIS data or Whois service which need to be addressed in this context? Are these implementation or policy limitations? 3. what is relevant work within SSAC which WHOIS RT should consider during this policy review? How could WHOIS RT continue to interact with SSAC in the future, during this review process? regards, Sarmad On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote: > Hi Emily, > > I think Sarmad is working on the SSAC slides too. > > Good night all, > > Kathy > > > > *From:* Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk] > *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2011 10:32 PM > *To:* Alice Jansen; Kathy Kleiman > *Cc:* RT4 WHOIS > *Subject:* Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC > > > > Hi all > > For our meetings tomorrow, here are some draft slides. Please let me know > if you have any comments. > > I'm aware that we don't have a set of slides for the registrars. Any > suggestions? > > Kind regards > > Emily > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Connected by MOTOBLUR? -----Original message----- From: Kathy Kleiman To: Emily Taylor , Alice Jansen Cc: RT4 WHOIS Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 22:47:34 PDT Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/45bb53cf/attachment.html From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 08:55:02 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC Message-ID: > For our meetings tomorrow, here are some draft slides. Please let me > know if you have any comments. > > I'm aware that we don't have a set of slides for the registrars. Any > suggestions? Thank you for preparing the slides. May we add a question to the ccNSO, about sharing their knowledge about national (data protection) law? They already had lengthy experience with whois services in their countries, so they should can tell us which data is allowed to be collected and which data might be published (with restrictions). For the SSAC, the important question for me is, if whois is neccessary to the internet stability, which part of the information is relevant, an how can it verified as well as the service be proteced. For ASO, I'd like to know, how Ressouce Certificates might be applied to domain names, and their experience with hierachical thin whois structures. For ALAC, the following questions arise: * Please inform us about civil society acceptance of Whois services * Tell us about the privacy laws regarding Whois in your countries * Point us about usability problems (i.e. internationalization) * How does Whois help the consumer to trust the Internet We already had an discussion in late January on the Atlarge ML (archived). For all slides some minor point: - The consultations are on March, 15th. - The font on slide two is inconsistent, it's irritating. The URL of te whois wiki can bis shortend to ".../whoisreview/". - On slide four the subgroup of "producers and maintainers" is missing - The last slide four is confusing: The consultation with the groups is mixed with the call for comments The consultation with the groups is mixed with the community consultation I'd propose to copy my version of the last slide (incl. the stable URL). Thank you for the good work. From alice.jansen at icann.org Tue Mar 15 15:08:19 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Tuesday - Where do I need to be and when? Message-ID: 9:30 - 10:00 Interaction with SSAC Tower Salon A ? Lobby level 10:00 - 10:30 Interaction with Registrars Colonial ? Mezzanine level 11:00 - 11:30 Interaction with ASO Olympic room ? 2nd level CANCELED: 14:30-15:00 - Registries -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/031a0d35/attachment.html From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 15:44:52 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Tuesday - Where do I need to be and when? Message-ID: Thank you, Alice for the updated schedule. I'd like to inform you, that I have an (information only!) timeslot at ALAC. It's just to keep my community updated and invite them to the meeting tomorrow. Directly after ASO (they know, that it might start not in time) 11:30 - 11:45 California East It's an open session, so you are invited to join. From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at Tue Mar 15 15:54:50 2011 From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D7F8BCA.1000105@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: [...] > For ASO, I'd like to know, how Ressouce Certificates might be applied to > domain names, and their experience with hierachical thin whois structures. Well, I don't mind confronting the ASO that question. But my feeling is that we should rather ask the names people (SSAC?) about their opinion regarding certificates? As I said already in private discussion, I fail see the direct relevance of the certification wrt the whois facility. Wilfried PS: could you please refrain from including the newsgroup ref.s from the mail headers? It breaks the reply-all... From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 16:17:49 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:17:49 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft slide decks for ASO and SSAC In-Reply-To: <4D7F8BCA.1000105@CC.UniVie.ac.at> References: <4D7F8BCA.1000105@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Message-ID: <20110315161749.GA30722@belenus.iks-jena.de> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 03:54:50PM +0000, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote: > Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: > > For ASO, I'd like to know, how Ressouce Certificates might be applied to > > domain names, and their experience with hierachical thin whois structures. > > Well, I don't mind confronting the ASO that question. But my feeling is > that we should rather ask the names people (SSAC?) about their opinion > regarding certificates? > > As I said already in private discussion, I fail see the direct relevance > of the certification wrt the whois facility. You are right. I just present my thoughts, which are - as you know - driven by looking for alternatives to the whois system. > PS: could you please refrain from including the newsgroup ref.s from the > mail headers? It breaks the reply-all... Yes, I'll do so. Thank you for reminding me, that I break communictaion. From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 20:52:04 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP Message-ID: This is just a short notice about ongoing outreach: I was invited by Mr. Knoben to give a introduction on the Whois RT to the ISPCP in the currently starting event: http://svsf40.icann.org/node/22149 They have whois on their agenda, so it will fit quite well. Yes, I' working for an ISP and therefore visit the ISPCP as often as possible. From kKleiman at pir.org Tue Mar 15 21:07:27 2011 From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713400D@pir-mail-01> Hi Lutz, Tx for sharing the invitation, and unfortunately, I will not be able to join you today. I would prefer we all go into the Constituencies and Supporting Organizations together (and hopefully we can all go in Singapore to the ISPCP (ISP Constituency). However, everyone is entitled to speak to friends and organizations.... Others? Thoughts? Best, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Lutz Donnerhacke Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:52 PM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP This is just a short notice about ongoing outreach: I was invited by Mr. Knoben to give a introduction on the Whois RT to the ISPCP in the currently starting event: http://svsf40.icann.org/node/22149 They have whois on their agenda, so it will fit quite well. Yes, I' working for an ISP and therefore visit the ISPCP as often as possible. _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 21:09:35 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:09:35 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] What's the state of "WHOIS National Laws Procedure" Message-ID: <20110315210935.GA8874@belenus.iks-jena.de> A community response from a German journalist points to http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-18dec07.htm and asks, why this prodedure is not widely in use. I personally do not grasp the current state from reading http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy May I ask for a clarificantion from ICANN staff? From lutz at iks-jena.de Tue Mar 15 21:12:16 2011 From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:12:16 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP In-Reply-To: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713400D@pir-mail-01> References: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713400D@pir-mail-01> Message-ID: <20110315211216.GB8874@belenus.iks-jena.de> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 05:07:27PM -0400, Kathy Kleiman wrote: > Tx for sharing the invitation, and unfortunately, I will not be > able to join you today. I was just sitting here and shared the question to you as soon as possible. Current live ticker: The changed the agenda to get back to the GAC/Board meeting as soon as possible and removed whois ... stay tuned ... From denise.michel at icann.org Tue Mar 15 21:28:19 2011 From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:28:19 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] What's the state of "WHOIS National Laws Procedure" In-Reply-To: <20110315210935.GA8874@belenus.iks-jena.de> References: <20110315210935.GA8874@belenus.iks-jena.de> Message-ID: Hi, Lutz. This consensus policy was implemented in January 2008 and is available for use. More information is available on the Whois Review Team's wiki (background information page -- see excerpt below). Detailed information on the procedure registrars and registries follow can be found at: http://www.icann.org/en/processes/icann-procedure-17jan08.htm Please let me know if you need more information. Regards, Denise *2008 -- (17 January) --* Implementation date *--* ICANN Procedure For Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law . Effort began in 2003, when WHOIS TF 2 recommended developing a procedure to allow gTLD registry/registrars to demonstrate when they are prevented by local laws from complying with ICANN contract terms regarding personal data in WHOIS. In November 2005, the GNSO concluded a PDP recommending such a procedure. On 10 May 2006, it was approved by the ICANN Board which directed ICANN staff to develop and publicly document a procedure. This is the completion of that work. Denise Michel ICANN Advisor to the President & CEO denise.michel at icann.org +1.408.429.3072 mobile +1.310.578.8632 direct On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: > A community response from a German journalist points to > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-18dec07.htm > and asks, why this prodedure is not widely in use. > > I personally do not grasp the current state from reading > http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy > > May I ask for a clarificantion from ICANN staff? > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/4100b8fe/attachment.html From lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com Tue Mar 15 21:30:20 2011 From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (Lynn Goodendorf) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP In-Reply-To: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713400D@pir-mail-01> References: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713400D@pir-mail-01> Message-ID: Agree- we can all express individual views to associates in ICANN. But need to make a difference in sharing an update from the RT vs. Individual views. Lynn Connected by MOTOBLUR? -----Original message----- From: Kathy Kleiman To: Lutz Donnerhacke , "rt4-whois at icann.org" Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 14:07:27 PDT Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP Hi Lutz, Tx for sharing the invitation, and unfortunately, I will not be able to join you today. I would prefer we all go into the Constituencies and Supporting Organizations together (and hopefully we can all go in Singapore to the ISPCP (ISP Constituency). However, everyone is entitled to speak to friends and organizations.... Others? Thoughts? Best, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Lutz Donnerhacke Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:52 PM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Consultation with ISPCP This is just a short notice about ongoing outreach: I was invited by Mr. Knoben to give a introduction on the Whois RT to the ISPCP in the currently starting event: http://svsf40.icann.org/node/22149 They have whois on their agenda, so it will fit quite well. Yes, I' working for an ISP and therefore visit the ISPCP as often as possible. _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/edadc9af/attachment.html From kKleiman at pir.org Wed Mar 16 00:08:04 2011 From: kKleiman at pir.org (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:08:04 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Invitation to Music Night Message-ID: <3371CBBD15D9714482943AD5D5B75276058713404E@pir-mail-01> Hi All, I wanted to invite all of you to Music Night. It's tonight, in the tents set up in Union Square, and it's lots of fun. There is a local band, karaoke, friends from ICANN playing instruments (a new group called The Working Group), and lots of beer. PIR is a traditional sponsor, and it is open to all (and friends, and relatives). So please come! 8:30-11pm. Best, Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG, The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846| www.pir.org | Find us on Facebook | .ORG Blog | Flickr | YouTube | Twitter | Confidentiality Note: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110315/814350d0/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Wed Mar 16 19:28:06 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:28:06 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Fw: Can you join earlier? Message-ID: <05B243F724B2284986522B6ACD0504D7E5D2029DF9@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org> Please join us in California West. Thanks, best Alice Alice Jansen - ICANN Sent via Blackberry ________________________________ From: Gabriella Schittek To: Alice Jansen; Emily Taylor Cc: Kathy Kleiman Sent: Wed Mar 16 11:52:56 2011 Subject: Can you join earlier? Hello, Is there a way that you could join our meeting somewhat earlier? We will end our prior session faster than expected. Gabi On 3/15/11 5:48 PM, "Alice Jansen" wrote: Hi Gabi, I have just noticed that the powerpoint title does not match. Please find attached an updated presentation. Thanks so much, Best Alice From: Emily Taylor Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:16:35 -0700 To: Gabriella Schittek Cc: Alice Jansen , Kathy Kleiman Subject: Re: Formal request for agenda space, SF Hi there Here it is. E On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Gabriella Schittek wrote: Hi, I just wanted to ask you to send me your (final) presentation as soon as possible so that we can prepare for remote participation. Thanks! Gabi On 2/22/11 3:42 PM, "Alice Jansen" > wrote: Hi Gabi, Thanks a million ? I have added you to our schedule https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Silicon+Valley+Meeting. Emily, Kathy, - my assumption is that this works for you. If not, please let me know. Very best regards Alice From: Gabriella Schittek > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:21:19 -0800 To: Alice Jansen >, Emily Taylor > Cc: Kathy Kleiman > Subject: Re: Formal request for agenda space, SF Hello Emily & Alice, The only possibility to change the session was to schedule it at 12.40 ? 13.00. I hope this is more suitable. The only risk is that the prior session might overrun! Gabi On 2/22/11 11:22 AM, "Alice Jansen" > wrote: Hi Gabi, Thanks for trying to squeeze us in your schedule ? hopefully it will work out :-). Emily is on vacation this week, which means very limited access to emails. Please do not hesitate to contact me, ccing Kathy ? our Vice-Chair ?, if you have questions. Thanks so much! Kind regards Alice From: Gabriella Schittek > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:39:12 -0800 To: Emily Taylor > Cc: Kathy Kleiman >, Alice Jansen > Subject: Re: Formal request for agenda space, SF Hello Emily, Thanks for pointing this out - I?ll see what I can do about this! I?ll let you know! Kind regards, Gabi On 2/19/11 11:52 AM, "Emily Taylor" > wrote: Hi Gabi Thank you very much for squeezing us in. Is there a possibility that we could have our 20 minute slot at any other time? Because as luck would have it, that slot exactly coincides with our "Community Interaction". https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Silicon+Valley+Meeting Many thanks, Emily On 18 Feb 2011, at 08:01, Gabriella Schittek wrote: Hello Emily, The ccNSO draft agenda has now been published http://ccnso.icann.org/meetings/sanfrancisco/agenda.htm. I could squeeze you in, but only for 20 minutes, Wednesday 16 March, 11.00 ? 11.20. I hope this is OK. Gabi On 2/9/11 7:02 PM, "Emily Taylor" > wrote: Thanks Chris, Much appreciated. Isn't it 5 am your time? E On 9 Feb 2011, at 17:56, Chris Disspain wrote: Thanks Emily. We are working on fitting you into the agenda. Cheers, Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd T: 1300 732 929 | F: 03 8341 4112 E: ceo at auda.org.au | W:www.auda.org.au auDA - The Australian Domain Name Administrator Important Notice - This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2011 04:50 To: Chris Disspain Cc: Gabriella Schittek Subject: Formal request for agenda space, SF Dear Chris and Gabi, I have pleasure in sending a formal request on behalf of the WHOIS Review Team, as Chair and ccNSO representative, for some time on the ccNSO meeting agenda. I understand that your agenda planning process is already far advanced, but would be most grateful if you could find us a few minutes. As you may know, the WHOIS Policy Review Team mandated by the Affirmation of Commitments began its enterprise in October 2010. The scope of work and roadmap of the WHOIS RT as well as its activities may be found on the community wiki at https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team. The Team partially composed of SO/AC representatives will hold a second public face-to-face meeting in San Francisco on Sunday, 13 March and invite the ICANN community to interact with them on Wednesday, 16 March starting at 11:00 AM ending at noon. In addition to this schedule, the RT Members unanimously expressed the wish to meet with ICANN's respective SO/ACs not only to discuss the task they have entrusted with but also to collect input from constituents. As your feedback and comments are essential in this exercise, it would be a great honor if the WHOIS Policy Review Team could please join your session in San Francisco to exchange views. Please advise whether you would be willing to dedicate an agenda item to the WHOIS Policy RT. Many thanks in advance for your guidance, Best regards, Emily Taylor Chair, WHOIS Review Team 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5857 (20110208) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk > 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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