From sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk Mon Sep 12 09:14:44 2011 From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk (LEMON, Sharon) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:14:44 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Revised definitions Message-ID: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C6757A8A9@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Good Morning (in London) everyone, and welcome Seth, Emily and I have been working on the definitions, commenting on the feedback, and have made some revisions - these are attached. Please take time to have a look to see if you are satisfied and we can agree them in our call on Wednesday. Emily has more work to do on Producers and Maintainers, and will be working on a 'Whois lifecycle' diagram in due course. I hope you are all well and look forward to seeing you all in MdR, which will be my final face to face meeting with you all as I am not travelling to Senegal. Best Wishes Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. 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Best wishes, Kim From susank at fb.com Mon Sep 12 21:05:30 2011 From: susank at fb.com (Susan Kawaguchi) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:05:30 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Susan's Working Draft Consumer Trust.doc Message-ID: I have added to Lynn's initial draft. For the team's review -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110912/341251be/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Susan's draft Working Draft Consumer Trust.doc Type: application/msword Size: 78848 bytes Desc: Susan's draft Working Draft Consumer Trust.doc Url : http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110912/341251be/SusansdraftWorkingDraftConsumerTrust.doc From susank at fb.com Mon Sep 12 21:03:03 2011 From: susank at fb.com (Susan Kawaguchi) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:03:03 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS Message-ID: I ran across this WHOIS record today and couldn't resist sending it to the team. I have reported it to ICANN but it seems to me that a registrar could easily put mechanisms in place that would not allow a registration lacking so much information. All registrar data, including registrant WHOIS data, is provided for public, non-commerical use only. Any information made available by InTrust Domains and its affiliate registrars shall not be collected, distributed or used for any commercial activity. Third parties to agree not to use the data to allow, enable, or otherwise support any marketing activities, regardless of the medium used. Such media include but are not limited to e-mail, telephone, facsimile, postal mail, SMS, and wireless alerts. Domain Name: FREEAPPFACEBOOK.COM Created On: 25-MAR-2011 Last Updated On: 25-MAR-2011 Expiration Date: 25-MAR-2012 Sponsoring Registrar: DROPEXTRA.COM INC Status: ok Registrant Name: a Registrant Organization: a Registrant Street1: a Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: a Registrant State/Province: a Registrant Postal Code: a Registrant Country: a Registrant Phone: (a)a Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Admin Name: a Admin Organization: a Admin Street1: a Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: a Admin State/Province: a Admin Postal Code: a Admin Country: a Admin Phone: (a)a Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Billing Name: a Billing Organization: a Billing Street1: a Billing Street2: Billing Street3: Billing City: a Billing State/Province: a Billing Postal Code: a Billing Country: a Billing Phone: (a)a Billing Phone Ext.: Billing FAX: Billing FAX Ext.: Billing Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Tech Name: a Tech Organization: a Tech Street1: a Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: a Tech State/Province: a Tech Postal Code: a Tech Country: a Tech Phone: (a)a Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Name Server: NS1.BODIS.COM Name Server: NS2.BODIS.COM Susan Kawaguchi Domain Name Manager Facebook Inc. 1601 California Avenue Palo Alto, CA Phone - 650 485-6064 Cell - 650 387 3904 Please note my email address has changed to skawaguchi at fb.com NOTICE: This email (including any attachments) may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other privilege. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, or retransmit the email or its contents. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110912/bb6e285a/attachment.html From omar at kaminski.adv.br Mon Sep 12 21:49:39 2011 From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:49:39 -0300 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Susan, RT members, While we're discussing "soft laws" the actual mode Whois is implemented and conducted still have some flaws and it's a real issue to deal with. Eventually it's the final user "window". Regards, Omar 2011/9/12 Susan Kawaguchi : > I ran across this WHOIS record today and couldn?t resist sending it to the > team. I have reported it to ICANN but it seems to me that a registrar could > easily put mechanisms in place that would not allow a registration lacking > so much information. > > > > All registrar data, including registrant WHOIS data, is provided for public, > non-commerical use only.? Any information made available by InTrust Domains > and its affiliate registrars shall not be collected, distributed or used for > any commercial activity.? Third parties to agree not to use the data to > allow, enable, or otherwise support any marketing activities, regardless of > the medium used. Such media include but are not limited to e-mail, > telephone, facsimile, postal mail, SMS, and wireless alerts. > > Domain Name: FREEAPPFACEBOOK.COM > > Created On: 25-MAR-2011 > > Last Updated On: 25-MAR-2011 > > Expiration Date: 25-MAR-2012 > > Sponsoring Registrar: DROPEXTRA.COM INC > > Status: ok > > Registrant Name: a > > Registrant Organization: a > > Registrant Street1: a > > Registrant Street2: > > Registrant Street3: > > Registrant City: a > > Registrant State/Province: a > > Registrant Postal Code: a > > Registrant Country: a > > Registrant Phone: (a)a > > Registrant Phone Ext.: > > Registrant FAX: > > Registrant FAX Ext.: > > Registrant Email: winsumwong at gmail.com > > Admin Name: a > > Admin Organization: a > > Admin Street1: a > > Admin Street2: > > Admin Street3: > > Admin City: a > > Admin State/Province: a > > Admin Postal Code: a > > Admin Country: a > > Admin Phone: (a)a > > Admin Phone Ext.: > > Admin FAX: > > Admin FAX Ext.: > > Admin Email: winsumwong at gmail.com > > Billing Name: a > > Billing Organization: a > > Billing Street1: a > > Billing Street2: > > Billing Street3: > > Billing City: a > > Billing State/Province: a > > Billing Postal Code: a > > Billing Country: a > > Billing Phone: (a)a > > Billing Phone Ext.: > > Billing FAX: > > Billing FAX Ext.: > > Billing Email: winsumwong at gmail.com > > Tech Name: a > > Tech Organization: a > > Tech Street1: a > > Tech Street2: > > Tech Street3: > > Tech City: a > > Tech State/Province: a > > Tech Postal Code: a > > Tech Country: a > > Tech Phone: (a)a > > Tech Phone Ext.: > > Tech FAX: > > Tech FAX Ext.: > > Tech Email: winsumwong at gmail.com > > Name Server: NS1.BODIS.COM > > Name Server: NS2.BODIS.COM > > > > > > Susan Kawaguchi > > Domain Name Manager > > > > Facebook Inc. > > 1601 California Avenue > > Palo Alto, CA > > > > Phone - 650 485-6064 > > Cell - 650 387 3904 > > > > Please note my email address has changed to skawaguchi at fb.com > > NOTICE: This email (including any attachments) may contain information that > is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other > privilege. ?Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, or > retransmit the email or its contents. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > From Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au Mon Sep 12 23:27:14 2011 From: Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au (Nettlefold, Peter) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:27:14 +1000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A306153858E@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Hi Susan, Thanks for passing this through, and I agree with your comments. This would seem to be a clear example of 'low hanging fruit' that should be addressed at the time of registration. I am very interested to develop recommendations that address this sort of situation, and reduce the incidence of deliberately inaccurate WHOIS data. This was a recommendation in the 2007 GAC Principles, and it clearly still requires attention. Kind regards, Peter From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Susan Kawaguchi Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2011 7:03 AM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS I ran across this WHOIS record today and couldn't resist sending it to the team. I have reported it to ICANN but it seems to me that a registrar could easily put mechanisms in place that would not allow a registration lacking so much information. All registrar data, including registrant WHOIS data, is provided for public, non-commerical use only. Any information made available by InTrust Domains and its affiliate registrars shall not be collected, distributed or used for any commercial activity. Third parties to agree not to use the data to allow, enable, or otherwise support any marketing activities, regardless of the medium used. Such media include but are not limited to e-mail, telephone, facsimile, postal mail, SMS, and wireless alerts. Domain Name: FREEAPPFACEBOOK.COM Created On: 25-MAR-2011 Last Updated On: 25-MAR-2011 Expiration Date: 25-MAR-2012 Sponsoring Registrar: DROPEXTRA.COM INC Status: ok Registrant Name: a Registrant Organization: a Registrant Street1: a Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: a Registrant State/Province: a Registrant Postal Code: a Registrant Country: a Registrant Phone: (a)a Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Admin Name: a Admin Organization: a Admin Street1: a Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: a Admin State/Province: a Admin Postal Code: a Admin Country: a Admin Phone: (a)a Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Billing Name: a Billing Organization: a Billing Street1: a Billing Street2: Billing Street3: Billing City: a Billing State/Province: a Billing Postal Code: a Billing Country: a Billing Phone: (a)a Billing Phone Ext.: Billing FAX: Billing FAX Ext.: Billing Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Tech Name: a Tech Organization: a Tech Street1: a Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: a Tech State/Province: a Tech Postal Code: a Tech Country: a Tech Phone: (a)a Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Name Server: NS1.BODIS.COM Name Server: NS2.BODIS.COM Susan Kawaguchi Domain Name Manager Facebook Inc. 1601 California Avenue Palo Alto, CA Phone - 650 485-6064 Cell - 650 387 3904 Please note my email address has changed to skawaguchi at fb.com NOTICE: This email (including any attachments) may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other privilege. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, or retransmit the email or its contents. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Advisor of the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, 38 Sydney Ave, Forrest ACT 2603, telephone (02) 6271-1376 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/6f55a918/attachment.html From Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au Tue Sep 13 01:49:21 2011 From: Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au (Nettlefold, Peter) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:49:21 +1000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Revised definitions [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C6757A8A9@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C6757A8A9@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> Message-ID: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A306160BD67@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Hi Sharon and all, Unfortunately, I won't be able to make the call on Wednesday, but wanted to thank Sharon and Emily for their work on these definitions. Regarding the suggestion to agree on the new definitions on Wednesday, the analysis and changes to the definitions of law enforcement and applicable laws raise a number of questions for me. To give a few examples: * In relation to the analysis of applicable laws, I'm not convinced that the initial definition only relates to privacy law, as it explicitly refers to laws that regulate the 'collection, use, access, and disclosure' of personal data. Obviously a law that requires the disclosure of personal data could have privacy implications, but couldn't a provision to 'disclose' data reside in a criminal or other law, rather than only in an explicit privacy law? * In terms of the change to the definition, I'm interested in the shift of wording from 'collection, use, access, and disclosure' to 'collection, display and distribution'. Each of these shifts is interesting - for example, is the concept of 'use' covered in the new formulation, or has this been dropped? * In relation to the law enforcement definition, what does 'control of the affairs of a community' mean? I understand the desire to narrow the scope of that definition, but would any entity actually meet that criteria? As we've discussed previously, I'm concerned about any wording that could unintentionally exclude a relevant law or law enforcement entity, and would like a chance to discuss these new definitions further. Cheers, Peter From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Monday, 12 September 2011 7:15 PM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Revised definitions NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Good Morning (in London) everyone, and welcome Seth, Emily and I have been working on the definitions, commenting on the feedback, and have made some revisions - these are attached. Please take time to have a look to see if you are satisfied and we can agree them in our call on Wednesday. Emily has more work to do on Producers and Maintainers, and will be working on a 'Whois lifecycle' diagram in due course. I hope you are all well and look forward to seeing you all in MdR, which will be my final face to face meeting with you all as I am not travelling to Senegal. Best Wishes Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Advisor of the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, 38 Sydney Ave, Forrest ACT 2603, telephone (02) 6271-1376 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/21a244be/attachment.html From sharonchallis at aol.com Tue Sep 13 06:08:43 2011 From: sharonchallis at aol.com (sharonchallis at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE3FF2B94BE06E-1CE0-2A6D7@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> Susan, We see hundreds of these meaningless records a day - mainly computer generated algorithms. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kawaguchi To: rt4-whois Sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:42 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Inaccurate WHOIS I ran across this WHOIS record today and couldn?t resist sending it to the team. I have reported it to ICANN but it seems to me that a registrar could easily put mechanisms in place that would not allow a registration lacking so much information. All registrar data, including registrant WHOIS data, is provided for public, non-commerical use only. Any information made available by InTrust Domains and its affiliate registrars shall not be collected, distributed or used for any commercial activity. Third parties to agree not to use the data to allow, enable, or otherwise support any marketing activities, regardless of the medium used. Such media include but are not limited to e-mail, telephone, facsimile, postal mail, SMS, and wireless alerts. Domain Name: FREEAPPFACEBOOK.COM Created On: 25-MAR-2011 Last Updated On: 25-MAR-2011 Expiration Date: 25-MAR-2012 Sponsoring Registrar: DROPEXTRA.COM INC Status: ok Registrant Name: a Registrant Organization: a Registrant Street1: a Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: a Registrant State/Province: a Registrant Postal Code: a Registrant Country: a Registrant Phone: (a)a Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Admin Name: a Admin Organization: a Admin Street1: a Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: a Admin State/Province: a Admin Postal Code: a Admin Country: a Admin Phone: (a)a Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Billing Name: a Billing Organization: a Billing Street1: a Billing Street2: Billing Street3: Billing City: a Billing State/Province: a Billing Postal Code: a Billing Country: a Billing Phone: (a)a Billing Phone Ext.: Billing FAX: Billing FAX Ext.: Billing Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Tech Name: a Tech Organization: a Tech Street1: a Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: a Tech State/Province: a Tech Postal Code: a Tech Country: a Tech Phone: (a)a Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: winsumwong at gmail.com Name Server: NS1.BODIS.COM Name Server: NS2.BODIS.COM Susan Kawaguchi Domain Name Manager Facebook Inc. 1601 California Avenue Palo Alto, CA Phone - 650 485-6064 Cell - 650 387 3904 Please note my email address has changed to skawaguchi at fb.com NOTICE: This email (including any attachments) may contain information that is private, confidential, or protected by attorney-client or other privilege. Unless you are the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, or retransmit the email or its contents. _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/8e0b11d7/attachment.html From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com Tue Sep 13 13:02:08 2011 From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:02:08 -0600 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Revised definitions [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A306160BD67@EMB01.dept.gov.au> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C6757A8A9@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A306160BD67@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Message-ID: <5344EA94-938B-4DF6-8E90-93716737A963@paypal.com> +1 re Sharon & Emily's work on this; thoughtful and thorough. I share Peter's concern about making a "hasty" decision. I do want us to move forward, but think we should discuss the proposed changes with as many RT members present as possible. Some reviewers wanted change, others were satisfied with the definitions as provided. Opinions were mixed, as they were in the RT but we agreed on the original wording. We could also heed Larry Strickling's advice and not bother with definitions. ;) On Sep 12, 2011, at 6:51 PM, "Nettlefold, Peter" > wrote: Hi Sharon and all, Unfortunately, I won?t be able to make the call on Wednesday, but wanted to thank Sharon and Emily for their work on these definitions. Regarding the suggestion to agree on the new definitions on Wednesday, the analysis and changes to the definitions of law enforcement and applicable laws raise a number of questions for me. To give a few examples: ? In relation to the analysis of applicable laws, I?m not convinced that the initial definition only relates to privacy law, as it explicitly refers to laws that regulate the ?collection, use, access, and disclosure? of personal data. Obviously a law that requires the disclosure of personal data could have privacy implications, but couldn?t a provision to ?disclose? data reside in a criminal or other law, rather than only in an explicit privacy law? ? In terms of the change to the definition, I?m interested in the shift of wording from ?collection, use, access, and disclosure? to ?collection, display and distribution?. Each of these shifts is interesting - for example, is the concept of ?use? covered in the new formulation, or has this been dropped? ? In relation to the law enforcement definition, what does ?control of the affairs of a community? mean? I understand the desire to narrow the scope of that definition, but would any entity actually meet that criteria? As we?ve discussed previously, I?m concerned about any wording that could unintentionally exclude a relevant law or law enforcement entity, and would like a chance to discuss these new definitions further. Cheers, Peter From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Monday, 12 September 2011 7:15 PM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Revised definitions NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Good Morning (in London) everyone, and welcome Seth, Emily and I have been working on the definitions, commenting on the feedback, and have made some revisions - these are attached. Please take time to have a look to see if you are satisfied and we can agree them in our call on Wednesday. Emily has more work to do on Producers and Maintainers, and will be working on a 'Whois lifecycle' diagram in due course. I hope you are all well and look forward to seeing you all in MdR, which will be my final face to face meeting with you all as I am not travelling to Senegal. Best Wishes Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. 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Informal dinner for Team & Staff (short walking distance from hotel -- come whenever you arrive!) (details to be provided shortly) _Tuesday -- Formal Meeting, Day 1_ 9-11am Gap Analysis and Implementation/Compliance Review (review of chapters, discussion, agreement) 11am-5pm Recommendations Discussion - Guidelines (Emily) - Recommendations (Chapter Writers) - Discussion (All) [Breaks for lunch and coffee. Goal: to arrive at a close-to-final-list of recommendations for the Final Report] Special dinner for Team & Staff (a beautiful restaurant along the water near Marina del Ray; transportation will be provided) (details to be provided shortly). _Wednesday -- Formal Meeting, Day 2_ 9-11am Recommendations Wrap-Up Discussion 11am-1pm Consumer Trust Survey Company presentation (by teleconference)(longer time needed?) Discussion of Consumer Trust Questionnaire (Lynn) Lunch Break 2-4:30pm Ongoing Work + Final Report Chapters (ones not yet discussed including Policy & Methodology) + Timeline to Senegal (including next public comment notice/materials) + Additional matters arising out of meeting & in preparation for Senegal DRAFT -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/c3a3163a/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MDR Agenda-draft.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 14848 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/c3a3163a/MDRAgenda-draft.doc From jbladel at godaddy.com Tue Sep 13 19:31:04 2011 From: jbladel at godaddy.com (James M. Bladel) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:31:04 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft MDR Agenda Message-ID: <20110913123104.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.315fa83ffd.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/df3b6082/attachment.html From kathy at kathykleiman.com Tue Sep 13 20:33:30 2011 From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft MDR Agenda In-Reply-To: <20110913123104.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.315fa83ffd.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> References: <20110913123104.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.315fa83ffd.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4E6FBE1A.4040005@kathykleiman.com> Great, thanks James. Appreciate your new chapter, and your advice regarding time. We'll edit accordingly. Any other agenda edits? Email or meeting call.... Best, Kathy RT4: > > Thanks to Kathy and Emily for putting this together. A few notes: > > * I will be arriving in MdR around dinner time on Monday, so I'll try > and catch up with the group. > * The Implementation Section (my chapter) may need some additional > time on Tuesday. Recommend we consider expanding this section by an > additional hour (9-12). > > Thanks-- > > J. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft MDR Agenda > From: Kathy Kleiman > > Date: Tue, September 13, 2011 1:59 pm > To: "rt4-whois at icann.org " > > > > Hi All, > In preparation for our meeting tomorrow, Emily and I have prepared > a draft agenda for our Marina del Ray meeting. I include it below, > with a formatted copy attached. Additions and edits welcome (it > is a discussion item on the agenda tomorrow). > > Best, > Kathy > > ---- draft agenda ---- > > _Monday [informal meeting day for anyone arriving early]_ > 1-4 pm Compliance Team (those in MDR early) to work on > Implementation & Compliance Chapter and prepare additional > recommendations (as needed) for Tuesday's recommendation > discussion (open to anyone on full Team who is available and > interested) (location to be announced). > Informal dinner for Team & Staff (short walking distance from > hotel ? come whenever you arrive!) (details to be provided shortly) > _Tuesday ? Formal Meeting, Day 1_ > 9-11am Gap Analysis and Implementation/Compliance Review > (review of chapters, discussion, agreement) > 11am-5pm Recommendations Discussion > - Guidelines (Emily) > - Recommendations (Chapter Writers) > - Discussion (All) > [Breaks for lunch and coffee. Goal: to arrive at a > close-to-final-list of recommendations for the Final Report] > Special dinner for Team & Staff (a beautiful restaurant along the > water near Marina del Ray; transportation will be provided) > (details to be provided shortly). > _Wednesday ? Formal Meeting, Day 2_ > 9-11am Recommendations Wrap-Up Discussion > 11am-1pm Consumer Trust Survey Company presentation (by > teleconference)(longer time needed?) > Discussion of Consumer Trust Questionnaire (Lynn) > Lunch Break > 2-4:30pm Ongoing Work > > + > Final Report Chapters (ones not yet discussed > including Policy & Methodology) > + > Timeline to Senegal (including next public comment > notice/materials) > + > Additional matters arising out of meeting & in > preparation for Senegal > > > DRAFT > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bladel Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft MDR Agenda _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois From lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com Wed Sep 14 02:13:01 2011 From: lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com (lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:13:01 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft MDR Agenda Message-ID: <20110913191301.00ef555ff13978e3e1b8d2179880f99e.9af969d71a.wbe@email12.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110913/92be0b1e/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Wed Sep 14 07:11:32 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:11:32 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 19:00 UTC Message-ID: Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 14 September 2011** 19:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+ConfCall+-+14+September&iso=20110914T19 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+20+-+14+September+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M ? 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110914/f074f69d/attachment.html From sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk Wed Sep 14 07:14:31 2011 From: sharon.lemon at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk (LEMON, Sharon) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:14:31 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 19:00 UTC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C6757A8DD@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Hi Alice, Just to advise that although I will try my best to make this call, I may be travelling so may be on listening mode only. Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: 14 September 2011 08:12 To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 19:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 14 September 2011** 19:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+ConfCall+-+14+September&iso=20110914T19 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+20+-+14+September+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M - 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. 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Best, Kathy Dear Review Team Members, > > Information on the MdR meeting logistics may be found your private > wiki at: > https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreviewprivate/Marina+del+Rey+Meeting+-+Logistics > > Be kindly reminded that login details are necessary to access this page. > > Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have questions or > concerns. > > Thanks, > > Kind regards > > Alice > > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110914/887c38fd/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Wed Sep 14 19:46:30 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:46:30 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] FW: Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Kathy Kleiman > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:15:55 -0800 To: "lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com" >, "rt4-whois at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker All, We will not be able to have an Article 29 Speaker on EU Privacy at this meeting. The organization is very interested in working with us, and would like to make people and resources available to us at a later meeting and throughout our process. Thanks so much, Lynn, and let?s definitely use them as part of our work! May I share them with the Article 29 Working Party in preparation for a future call? Hopefully, this eases our schedule a bit ? and perhaps gives us more question/answer time with ICANN Staff (Compliance and Policy). I was feeling that time was a little too limited. All the best, and safe travels, Kathy (leaving Monday night) From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:21 PM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker Dear All, Below are a few suggested questions for an Article 29 speaker regarding EU privacy. If a speaker is not available, I would be happy to adapt these questions to discussion points with the goal of developing next steps in our work regarding privacy issues that have been raised concerning the Whois database. Feedback or additional questions are certainly welcome. 1) In the recently published Strategy for Modernisation of EU Data Protection Rules issued by the Article 29 WG, one of the goals is to increase transparency for individual privacy rights. Would this goal be consistent with current ICANN policy that requires Internet domain name owners to register their contact details in a public database available to all Internet users? 2) Another goal stated in the Modernisation Strategy is to take into account the needs of police and criminal justice. This is one of our review points in the Whois policy and it would be helpful if further insight could be shared. 3) What are your views on Binding Corporate Rules for multi-national organizations with activities both inside and external to the EU? Why have so few multi-national organizations chosen this approach and do you expect any actions to encourage this option? Kind regards to all - have a good weekend! 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Name: Article 29 2003 Opinion (wp76_en).pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 171197 bytes Desc: Article 29 2003 Opinion (wp76_en).pdf Url : http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110914/970073ad/Article292003Opinionwp76_en.pdf From kim at vonarx.ca Wed Sep 14 20:10:52 2011 From: kim at vonarx.ca (Kim G. von Arx) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] FW: Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All, My apologies for not having made the call, but I was in court and it took much longer than scheduled. Kim Please excuse my typos! This is sent from my iPhone. On 2011-09-14, at 15:46, Alice Jansen wrote: > > > From: Kathy Kleiman > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:15:55 -0800 > To: "lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com" , "rt4-whois at icann.org" > Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker > > All, > We will not be able to have an Article 29 Speaker on EU Privacy at this meeting. The organization is very interested in working with us, and would like to make people and resources available to us at a later meeting and throughout our process. > > Thanks so much, Lynn, and let?s definitely use them as part of our work! May I share them with the Article 29 Working Party in preparation for a future call? > > Hopefully, this eases our schedule a bit ? and perhaps gives us more question/answer time with ICANN Staff (Compliance and Policy). I was feeling that time was a little too limited. > > All the best, and safe travels, > Kathy > (leaving Monday night) > > From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of lynn at goodsecurityconsulting.com > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:21 PM > To: rt4-whois at icann.org > Subject: [Rt4-whois] Suggested questions for Article 29 speaker > > Dear All, > Below are a few suggested questions for an Article 29 speaker regarding EU privacy. > > If a speaker is not available, I would be happy to adapt these questions to discussion points with the goal of developing next steps in our work regarding privacy issues that have been raised concerning the Whois database. > > Feedback or additional questions are certainly welcome. > > 1) In the recently published Strategy for Modernisation of EU Data Protection Rules issued by the Article 29 WG, > one of the goals is to increase transparency for individual privacy rights. Would this goal be consistent with > current ICANN policy that requires Internet domain name owners to register their contact details in a public database available to all Internet users? > > 2) Another goal stated in the Modernisation Strategy is to take into account the needs of police and criminal justice. This is one of our review points in the Whois policy and it would be helpful if further insight could be shared. > > 3) What are your views on Binding Corporate Rules for multi-national organizations with activities both inside and external to the EU? 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URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20110914/294c5138/attachment.html From denise.michel at icann.org Wed Sep 14 20:36:23 2011 From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:36:23 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Filings of Article 29 Working Party and Data Protection Commissioners In-Reply-To: <4E710D8D.2010702@kathykleiman.com> References: <4E710D8D.2010702@kathykleiman.com> Message-ID: Hello, Kathy. Staff will begin researching this as soon as possible, but prior commitments may prevent responding fully by the Team's meeting next week. There are 12 years worth of correspondence but I will ask Staff to work back from 2011 and post relevant correspondence on the wiki. Regards, Denise Denise Michel ICANN Advisor to the President & CEO denise.michel at icann.org +1.408.429.3072 mobile +1.310.578.8632 direct On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Kathy Kleiman wrote: > Dear Liz and Denise, > On behalf of the Whois Review Team, I would like to request the past > filings, submissions, letters and comments of data protection commissioners > speaking/writing to ICANN on Whois issues. > > We are looking for any material submitted over the duration of this > discussion with ICANN. This could be material of individual data protection > commissioners who may have written, as well as DP associations, e.g., The > Article 29 Working Party (and/or its chair) writing to ICANN. (As you know > the Article 29 Working Party is a group established under the EU Privacy > Directive and comprised of all national data protection commissioners of the > EU). > > There may be other associations of data protection commissioners that have > written to us as well, e.g., the International *Data Protection* and > Privacy *Commissioners* Conference. > > I do not think there are many filings, but I do recall they span a long > period of time, and probably date back to the original Whois Task Forces. > (4-5 pieces, maybe) > > Timeframe: As soon as possible, and by our Marina del Ray meeting next > week, if possible. > > Thank you, > > Kathy Kleiman > Vice-Chair, Whois Review Team > > -- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've also been thinking of ways that ICANN could target some of its compliance resources towards registrars and name spaces with high levels of inaccuracy, and I look forward to discussing those next week. Kind regards, Peter From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 5:55 PM To: Nettlefold, Peter Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: Gap analysis - accuracy [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Peter Thanks for sending this new draft out to the list with plenty of time for review before our next call. All - I hope that, as before, you will contribute your thoughts and comments on the draft. One format issue - I think it's better to have the text reflect the comment and then footnote the contributor's details. That way, people focus on what is said rather than focusing on the identity of the contributor. Let me know what you think of this. Kind regards Emily On 8 September 2011 01:00, Nettlefold, Peter > wrote: Hello all, Attached is a draft gap analysis relating to WHOIS data accuracy. As with the accessibility/privacy section, I have not had time to cover all the issues, complete all the analyses, balance all the arguments, and so on in this first draft. However, I hope that it has enough structure and shape to encourage comment, debate, and input as we prepare for Marina del Rey. One issue I've struggled with is the structure. As you've seen, I've basically broken the gap analysis in two (privacy/access and accuracy) because: * these two areas seemed to attract the most comment from our stakeholders; * they are clearly drawn out as issues in the AoC provisions on WHOIS; and * many of the other 'gaps' we initially identified seem to be sub-components of these two broader issues or to be closely linked to them. 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Please be kindly reminded that conference call material posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+20+-+14+September+2011 Thanks, Kind regards Alice From: Alice Jansen > Reply-To: Alice Jansen > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:08:51 -0700 To: Alice Jansen > Subject: Adobe Connect - Note Pod Content from WHOIS-Review AGENDA: Roll call & apologies Adopt agenda Welcome Seth Adopt preliminary report (1 September) Consumer study: progress & updates Chapters: Progress & updates. Review and adopt the MdR agenda Material: do we have all the material we need in anticipation of the MdR meeting? A.O.B PARTICIPANTS: Emily, Michael, Sharon, Bill, James, Kathy, Seth, Susan, Omar APOLOGIES : Peter, Lutz, Lynn,Olof NOTES: 1.Special welcome to Seth. Replacing Olivier Iteanu - Seth: difficulty to ingrate all the material. Attention in MdR will be focused on chapters. 2.Agenda adopted 3.Subject to (LG)'s confirmation, preliminary report is adopted. 4.(LG) independent research on consumer attitude, trust in relation to WHOIS. Expectations for MdR? KK Samard Susan Kim helped (LG) pinpointing countries that would be part of the survey. Survey company went ahead and began interviewing 20 individuals in the world. The videotaped interviews will be available to RT - These are preliminary interviews. What people are responding to. Survey company will be reporting to us. Slot on Wednesday morning. Outline of what happened during 1to1 interviews and draft material of what suggesting for questions. Presentation for that and discussion period to talk about questions - get them up and running for the next course of actions. 5.Chapters - (JB) update - comparing with KK - chance to review that and distribute Team before MdR. Thanks (SK) for sharing examples of WHOIS look-ups. (SK) added to (LG)'s consumer chapter. This is the framework we were looking for thanks (SK). (SK) Ebay - report on fraud. (SK) welcomes comments and wordsmithing. (KK) still representing Registries - minority groups - widen. (BS) questionning need for domain name owners if desire is to publish information and remain anonymous. - struggling with argument that any domain name owner can remain anonymous. All require identification. (ET) acknowledge both. right to privacy not the same as the right of anonymity. All of these comments take us back to something we agreed to do. the report should deal with the purpose of the WHOIS. Let's not lose track of that.. Would Susan's piece of work go into the body or annex? PN - Members haven't had time to review document externsively but (ET) noted: we don't have opposing arguments - domain-name should be more expensive (GAC meeting) - need to hear more from Registries and Registrars. (KK) - (JB) please help (PN) with pointers on that. Definitiong (SL) + (ET) - (BS) surprised at proposal + reference to Lawrence Strickling's comment: "why spend it so much time on definitions". Discussion have bene really helpful. (ET) proposal to rethink about those definitions in MdR - (SL) we need to agreed wether need those definitions or to stop now.. (ET) + (KK) the work is not wasted, the discussion is helpful (law enforcement questionnaire, led to compliance review, gap analysis). (KK) look forward to create definitions that community can use. (JB) make sure don't go too far down the road, set the boundaries. For MdR, (JB)'s draftl On journey to MdR, familiarize yourself with chapters, be ready to give editorial comment on each section. important that all comfortable with draft chapters as they are. reviewing policy not making it. 7. If get gap analysis right, recommendations should flow. (JB) preview of implementation before gap analysis. (JB) approach that can use to identify different categories of gap. Last working face-to-face before publish recommendations. Introduce policy and lead to details. 15-20 minutes. First 1./2 of the day to do work on policy and implementation. Dedicate morning to gap analysis and afternoon to recommendation. (KK) do we need a discussion of privacy laws. No outreach so far on privacy laws.. Article 29 group brief response? No - (BS) need to issue report.. (SK) understand (KK)'s concern but how should this be addressed? --> Liz Gasster 8. Draft recommendations by Dakar meeting. Hope to get this done by end of November -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Below are a few snippets of the documents' very interesting discussions.... and full docs attached for the rest! Enjoy, Kathy _Four documents, 2003-2007_ 1) "Opinion 2/2003 on the application of the data protection principles to the Whois directories" - "The Working Party encourages ICANN and the Whois community to look at privacy enhancing ways to run the Whois directories in a way that serves its original purpose whilst protecting the rights of individuals. It should in any case be possible for individuals to register domain names without their personal details appearing on a publicly available register." 2) Schaar to Cerf, 6/22/06 - "The Article 29 WP is witnessing the growing importance of the WHOIS discussions as more and more individuals are registering their own domain names and in this connection there have been complaints about improper use of the WHOIS data in several countries." 3) Schaar to Cerf, 3/12/07 - Referencing the Operational Point of Contact (OPOC) proposal - "The Article 29 WP welcomes that the GNSO Whois Task Force has adopted a definition for the purpose of WHOIS as a basis for its work. As pointed out in previous submissions, such a purpose definition is a central element in determining whether a specific processing or use of personal data is in accordance with EU data protection legislation. The definition given in the report reads: "The purpose of the gTLD Whois service is to provide information sufficient to contact a responsible party for a particular gTLD domain name who can resolve, or reliably pass on data to a party who can resolve, issues related to the configuration of the records associated with the domain name within a DNS nameserver." "The Article 29 WP acknowledges the legitimacy of the purpose of the making available of some personal data through the WHOIS services, when this publication is necessary for the technical functioning of the Internet network as set out in the purpose definition. This publicity is necessary in order to put the person running a Website in a position to face the legal and technical responsibilities which are inherent to the running of such a site. 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