From seth.reiss at lex-ip.com Mon Oct 10 03:15:09 2011 From: seth.reiss at lex-ip.com (Seth M Reiss) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:15:09 -1000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework In-Reply-To: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C1F@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C17@DDCCCVEXCH0002.soca.local> <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C1F@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> Message-ID: <000601cc86fa$d1f370c0$75da5240$@reiss@lex-ip.com> Sharon I know I am supposed to be helping in the area of writing a simple signification of the WHOIS, but I am still a bit foggy as to how I should interface into all this. So here goes. I took your very good simplification of DMS and made some suggestions intended to clarify. I tried not to mess with style or make it sound American J. Please take what you think helps and then discard the rest. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:31 AM To: LEMON, Sharon; 'rt4-whois at icann.org' Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Hello Everyone, One of my actions was to compile a simple guide to DNS and Whois, for those outside the murky waters of internet governance. Please find first attempt attached (with a little help from my friends) . Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. 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Wiki link: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Dakar+Meeting Saturday, 22 October 13:00-17:00 Face-to-Face meeting Room: B5/6 Sunday, 23 October 9:00-17:00 - Face-to-Face meeting Room: Ziquinchor Monday, 24 October 13:00-17:00 - Face-to-Face meeting Room: Ziquinchor Rest assured that I will email you outlook invitations. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have questions or concerns. Thanks, Very best regards Alice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111010/a145fd4b/attachment.html From emily at emilytaylor.eu Mon Oct 10 14:37:00 2011 From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Updated draft report Message-ID: Hi Alice I've been working through my action points from the last meeting. As agreed, I have reviewed the consolidated report that you pulled together. I think that the structure is right, and as anticipated, it has revealed a number of areas of duplication. In general, the report is now over 100 pages long, even without significant elements of the content (ie the consumer study, and an expanded policy implementation section). Therefore, once we have nailed the recommendations in Dakar, our next challenge will be to sweep through the text, tighten up the language and reduce the length. An action for the whole team is to look through the recommendations again. They are now all in one place, and they do ramble on a bit, given that they are taken from multiple sources. Before arriving in Dakar, have a good sense of where you stand on all of them, and what's missing. I tried to add some overarching stuff up top - ie how are we going to measure the organisation's progress (and I'm v. mindful of James' comments about the ATRT's experience in this regard), and what do we expect from ICANN in response to the report, and when? I have amended the Implementation/Compliance chapter in a way that i hope reflects our discussions in MdR. Please would you upload the amended version of the consolidated document to the private Wiki, and then notify the team. Thanks Emily -- * * 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK t: +44 (0)1865 582 811 ? m: +44 (0)7540 049 322 emily at emilytaylor.eu *www.etlaw.co.uk* Emily Taylor Consultancy Limited is a company registered in England and Wales No. 730471. VAT No. 114487713. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111010/f0b7f030/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Mon Oct 10 17:23:04 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:23:04 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] AGENDA - Confcall 12 October - 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Dear Review Team Members, As you know, a call is scheduled for Wednesday, 12 October at 21:00 UTC. Please find enclosed the agenda: 1. Roll-call and apologies 2. Adoption of agenda 3. Adoption of preliminary reports * 14 September ? conference call * 20-21 September ? Marina del Rey face-to?face meeting 4. Chapter penholders: status report 5. User Insight questionnaire: status report 6. Draft report: exchange of views on most recent version (v2 - 10 Oct) 7. Action items: Members report progress made to date 8. Dakar meeting: arrival date, availability to participate in Saturday meeting, use of time etc 9. A.O.B It may also be found on the public wiki at https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Thanks, Very best regards Alice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111010/4ee64e33/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Mon Oct 10 18:09:32 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] NOW ON WIKI - Updated draft report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Review Team Members, Following up on Emily's note, this is to inform you that Emily's revised version of the consolidated draft report is now available on the private wiki. Please go to: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreviewprivate/Draft+report and refer to V5 - Submitted on 10 October 2011 - Consolidated version - Emily Taylor Thanks, Very best regards Alice From: Emily Taylor > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:37:00 -0700 To: Alice Jansen > Cc: "rt4-whois at icann.org" > Subject: Updated draft report Hi Alice I've been working through my action points from the last meeting. As agreed, I have reviewed the consolidated report that you pulled together. I think that the structure is right, and as anticipated, it has revealed a number of areas of duplication. In general, the report is now over 100 pages long, even without significant elements of the content (ie the consumer study, and an expanded policy implementation section). Therefore, once we have nailed the recommendations in Dakar, our next challenge will be to sweep through the text, tighten up the language and reduce the length. An action for the whole team is to look through the recommendations again. They are now all in one place, and they do ramble on a bit, given that they are taken from multiple sources. Before arriving in Dakar, have a good sense of where you stand on all of them, and what's missing. I tried to add some overarching stuff up top - ie how are we going to measure the organisation's progress (and I'm v. mindful of James' comments about the ATRT's experience in this regard), and what do we expect from ICANN in response to the report, and when? I have amended the Implementation/Compliance chapter in a way that i hope reflects our discussions in MdR. Please would you upload the amended version of the consolidated document to the private Wiki, and then notify the team. Thanks Emily -- [http://www.etlaw.co.uk/images/stories/etlaw/etclogo250x60.gif] 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK t: +44 (0)1865 582 811 ? m: +44 (0)7540 049 322 emily at emilytaylor.eu www.etlaw.co.uk Emily Taylor Consultancy Limited is a company registered in England and Wales No. 730471. VAT No. 114487713. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111010/fcb225fa/attachment.html From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com Tue Oct 11 19:42:37 2011 From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:42:37 -0600 Subject: [Rt4-whois] SSAC recommendations regarding terminology In-Reply-To: <4E8A3A1B.2010801@CC.UniVie.ac.at> References: <4E822389.7060602@CC.UniVie.ac.at> <4E8A3A1B.2010801@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Message-ID: <2580ED96-D8BD-483B-9813-BEE9669BE765@paypal.com> Fabulous summary! (especially the Hamming bits) On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" wrote: > Emily Taylor wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> Thanks for absorbing the SSAC document. SSAC have made a conscious effort >> to include us in their draft-report loop in order to help us with our work, >> which is very good of them. >> >> For the benefit of members of the team who may be sinking under the load of >> documents to be read, would you mind reproducing the terms that you think we >> should adopt (in the body of an e-mail), > > Sure, here we go, although a bit belated, sorry. > > > In Section 2. Taxonomy of Trms, on page 5 of the SSAC document > https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreviewprivate/SSAC+-+WHOIS+Advisory > the authors set out to introduce 3 terms and abbreviations, see below. > [For the full text please refer to the document] > > > When one speaks about WHOIS, it is often unclear which part of the system he/she > is referring to. To avoid confusion, SSAC proposes the following terms to better > distinguish the components of the WHOIS system: > > > btw, this text c|should be copied verbatim to a prominent place in our > document and/or referred to. > > 1) Domain Name Registration Data (DNRD) ? refers to the information that registrants > provide when registering a domain name and that registrars or registries collect. > Some of this information is made available to the public. [...] > > 2) Domain Name Registration Data Access Protocol (DNRD-AP) ? refers to the elements > of a (standard) communications exchange ? queries and responses - that make > access to registration data possible. For example, the WHOIS protocol (RFC 3912) > and HTTP (RFC 2616 and its updates) are commonly used to provide public access to DNRD. > > 3) Domain Name Registration Data Directory Service (DNRD-DS) ? refers to the service(s) > offered by registries and registrars to provide access to (potentially a subset of) > the Domain Name Registration Data. [...] > >> and any _brief_ reasoning which might assist comprehension. > > I think adopting these 3 terms is fully in line with all the discussions and > interactions we had so far, and will help in making it obvious to the reader > which aspect we are talking about. > > We may opt to be a tad sloppy and omit the "Domain Name" prefix, where it is > obvious from context (most of the time), but stick to the abbreviations > > - DNRD for the Registration Data itself, > - DNRD-AP for the Access Protocol, and > - DNRD-DS for the Directory Service. > > > In a subsequent section, SSAC develops some additional terms and abbreviations, > like > - DRNDe for "individual elements in DNRD", > - "internationalised" and "localised" DNRD and > - DNRD-DSD to denote a subset of DNRD that is made available by the DNRD-DS > > While I do agree, there is technical merit in defining this stuff, I believe > that the Hamming Distance[1] is too small for the average reader to be useful. > If your head is spinning now with Ds, Rs, Ns and Ds - you are in good company :-) > > Sticking to the 3 should be good enough! > >> Much appreciated, > > You are welcome! > >> Emily > > Hope this has been useful, cheers, > Wilfried. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_distance > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois From alice.jansen at icann.org Wed Oct 12 10:52:17 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** 21:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M ? 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/daa4e261/attachment.html From kathy at kathykleiman.com Wed Oct 12 17:58:17 2011 From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] FW: Reviewing proxy/privacy ideas [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: References: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A333D6D916D@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Message-ID: <4E95D539.5090006@kathykleiman.com> Hi Peter, Emily and All, I have been giving this a lot of thought too. I have also been doing some research, and although I have been deeply embedded in the proxy/privacy issue for some time, there is still so much I don't know! Here are some of my thoughts: 1) I think you are right in dividing privacy from proxy from privacy registrations. As you wrote, and as Emily has written below in her recent email, proxy and privacy services (although spoken in the same breath) are different. I think our WRT Report can play an important role in laying out the differences, and sharing why, to us, these differences result in very clear and differing obligations and responsibilities. 2) I don't think you restrict privacy services to natural persons. As we have discussed in our meetings, there are many political organizations, religious groups and even commercial companies that claim privacy rights, and have legitimate reasons for not wanting to disclose a physical address. What I do think we can encourage the ICANN Community to develop is a series of guidelines for appropriate disclosure of the underlying data to law enforcement and others (called "Reveal" in ICANN parlance). (I also think the ICANN Community can develop a series of guidelines for appropriate practices for passing on information to the registrant at his/her/its address or email to notify them of all legal proceedings, inquiries to purchase the domain name, etc. -- this might defuse a lot of the existing tensions ("Relay" in ICANN parlance). 3) I do like the idea of best practices for privacy providers. 4) After great thought, and debate with several people on the Team (tx you!), I agree with you about proxy providers. I think your #7 is probably right: that "ICANN should claify that the full rights and responsibilities of a registrant accrue to the entity identified as the registrant." There does not seem to be any other way to do it. 5) An additional point: Education. perhaps we can use our recommendations to encourage clearer education of registrants, the ICANN Community, and the greater Law Enforcement, Commercial and other Communities. We can lay out the difference of proxy and privacy providers, and ways the choice of privacy or proxy might impact the registrants, and parties seeking the registrant. 6) One more additional point: Tiered Access. I don't know if we should get into this, but the Whois protocol can be modernized and updated to include levels of access for data -- e.g., privacy of addresses and telephone numbers -- and then provide access to those who a) identify themselves, and b) meet the criteria for access, e.g., law enforcement. In this case, the Whois information is held by registrar and registries, and thus much closer to ICANN. It is also far cheaper for registrants (who are currently paying more for their privacy services per year than their domain name, in many cases). Finally, it open future options for the registries and registrars to manage access to the data -- perhaps pursuant to rules ICANN might someday create. The current Whois protocol can't provide this service, but others can (Restful DNS, etc). Perhaps a win-win? Best and tx for all of your leadership in this area, Peter! Kathy << From Emily: Hi Peter > > Thanks for reviving this discussion. > > I've been mulling over privacy proxy recommendations, that would be > suitable and not pre-empt the findings of studies. > > I think that a route might be to go back to the first principles in > the contract. > > 1. Proxies are the registrant. Therefore they take the heat if > there's any problem with the domain name, and the onus/responsibility > is on them to prove that there is another party who should be blamed > in a timely way. > > 2. Privacy registrations - on the face of it, these are inaccurate, > and therefore the domain becomes subject to cancellation if the true > registration details are not revealed in a timely manner. > > So, the policies are there, the contractual powers are there. There > needs to be more responsiveness on the part of registrars in > cancelling/amending/revealing underlying details where there's a problem. > > Thoughts? > > Best, > > Emily > > On 11 October 2011 05:49, Nettlefold, Peter > > > wrote: > > Hi Kathy, > > I wanted to follow up the conversation about proxy services that > we began in MDR. > > In particular, I wanted to ask about what you meant by the > recommendation: > > 'Registrars may not knowingly use for their own registrations, or > register the domain names of p/p service providers who do not have > contracts with them' > > I'm assuming that a registrar has a contract with every registrant > as a matter of course, so I take it that this is referring to > having up front contracts with p/p providers? My question is would > this be separate to a global ICANN p/p accreditation or > registration scheme? > > My first intent here is to be really clear on what is intended. > Secondly, I wonder if it would be more efficient and effective to > have this kind of approach run in conjunctions with an ICANN > accreditation scheme - i.e. ICANN would accredit p/p providers in > a similar way that it does registrars, and any registrar could > then do business with those providers? Otherwise, couldn't we > would be faced with a range of issues, including registrars > potentially signing contracts with themselves (or their > subsidiaries, affiliates etc) to serve as p/p providers? > > I'm still looking forward to feedback from other team members on > the question of whether proxy services should be recognised by > ICANN, but wanted to discuss your proposals in the interim. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > > From: "kathy at kathykleiman.com > >" >> > Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reviewing proxy/privacy ideas > Date: September 21, 2011 7:26:51 AM PDT > To: RT4 WHOIS >>, Sharon Lemon > >> > Reply-To: "kathy at kathykleiman.com > >" >> > > Hi All, > After good food and great company last night, I awoke with some > new ideas regarding proxy/privacy service providers. > What we know: > - Not too much. Proxy/privacy providers (p/p) are not > something we have studied closely. We know that many people, > including very experienced Net users, do not have a clear > distinction. They are generally used in the same voice at the same > time. > - We have no clear data about p/p. The upcoming GNSO > studies will provide a) a study on reveal and relay requests to > p/p providers, and b) a study of what percentage of "bad guys" are > under p/p registration. We have only a study that says that 15-20% > of domain names are under p/p, and an array of comments. We have > not actual facts about p/p providers themselves. > > - Under US law, there is a strong protection of privacy > and even anonymity in Free Speech, but "no tradition of anonymous > commerce in the US." Let me quote the World Trademark Review, > Aug/Sept 2011, article: "Why Trademark Owners Must lead the fight > for accountability in e-commerce." ** "Clearly the First > Amendment includes the right to speak anonymously. Moveover, the > First Amendment places anonymous speech on the Internet on the > same footing as other speech. As with other forms of expression, > the ability to speak anonymously on the Internet promotes the > robust exchange of ideas and allows individuals to express > themselves without fear of economic or official retaliation or > concern about social ostracism. The importance of the Internet to > the expression of protected speech cannot be overstated..." > Like the International Trademark Association, in some recent > legislative work in the US, let's focus on the conduct we are most > concerned about: > > - Domain names being used in conjunction with "goods or > services advertised or sold at that [a] website." (International > Trademark Association language as part of promoting a new US > Statute for services of process to domain registrants whose data > cannot be found - article above) > For our WRT decisions, let's please not create confusion. The > lines between p/p are difficult and unclear. Let's focus on > conduct we know is out there and bounds that can be quickly > established and are likely to help. ** Let me offer some > reflections of yesterday. We all seem to agree that: ** > - WE CAN BIND P/P CLOSER TO REGISTRARS, thus a Draft > Recommendation: Registrars may not knowingly use for their own > registrations, or register the domain names of p/p service > providers who do not have contracts with them; do not have clear > agreements to gather accurate Whois data from registrants; do not > have clear contractual obligations to Reveal the underlying > registrant data when requested under law or pursuant to ICANN rules. > - ICANN will rapidly establish a proceeding, with Law > Enforcement and Consumer Communities, as well as privacy and free > speech Official and Experts, to develop a set of Reveal and Relay > rules for p/p providers, in conjunction with the ICANN Community. > - Registrant Declaration: is the domain name being used > for goods or services sold or advertised using the domain name > (note: this includes not only websites, but emails and other forms > of domain name use). > > (Note: the GNSO might want to wait to set up rules until soon > after their $200,000+ studies are completed within the year) > > > Overall, separating out p/p providers without much more work and > very, very, very extensive education -- it will be very confusing > to ICANN and the Internet public. > > > > Best, Kathy > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) > and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it would be useful - otherwise I will. You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. I hope you are all well, Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: 12 October 2011 11:52 To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** 21:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M - 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation's IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. 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Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/5575dd64/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Brief Guide to WHOIS and DNS v1 CC.doc Type: application/msword Size: 364032 bytes Desc: Brief Guide to WHOIS and DNS v1 CC.doc Url : http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/5575dd64/BriefGuidetoWHOISandDNSv1CC.doc From kim at vonarx.ca Wed Oct 12 19:06:27 2011 From: kim at vonarx.ca (Kim G. von Arx) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:06:27 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C62@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C62@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> Message-ID: Dear All, I must apologize, but I will most likely not be able to make the call either. I will do my best, but I am stuck in a settlement conference and we are making progress and don't want to lose momentum. I will review all of the documents that were sent around and provide my feedback by end of weekend. Also, I am not exactly sure where to find the input we received from SIDN, Nominet and other ccTLDs. Can someone point me to those documents so that I can complete my cctld review? My apologies for the long silence, but I've had several personal cases and matters on the go which took up all of my time and attention. I hope that it will ease up significantly once November roles around. Thanks. Kim Please excuse my typos! This is sent from my iPhone. On 2011-10-12, at 14:52, "LEMON, Sharon" wrote: > NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED > > Dear All, > > It is very unlikely that I will be able to make the call tonight. Sorry. > > I have been working on my actions from our MdR meeting > > 1. I have prepared a simple explanation of Whois, which is attached, and Seth has given some feedback which I will incorporate if appropriate. I have heard nothing from anyone else. - which is a bit disappointing as I need feedback to make it a worthwhile document, and it took a lot of time and effort. > > 2. I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. > > 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it would be useful - otherwise I will. > > You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. > > I hope you are all well, > > Sharon > > > Sharon LEMON OBE > Deputy Director > Cyber and Forensics > Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) > 07768 290902 > 0207 855 2800 > > -----Original Message----- > From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen > Sent: 12 October 2011 11:52 > To: rt4-whois at icann.org > Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC > > Dear Review Team Members, > > Your next conference call is scheduled for: > > > **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** > > 21:00 UTC > > Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 > > > PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # > > Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 > > Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ > > Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u > > Dial-in numbers: > Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. > Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ > > Australia 1 800 009 820 > 1 800 036 775 > Sydney T +61 290372962 > Melbourne T +61 399996500 > Brisbane T +61 731777546 > Austria L - 0 800 295 858 > M - 0 800 295 138 > T - +43 720 882 638 > Belgium L - 0800 79210 > M ? 0800 79218 > T - +32 78 480 286 > Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 > M - 0800 891 1598 > T - +55 613 717 2040 > Canada 1 800 550 6865 > T - +1 213 233 3193 > France 0800 90 25 56 > T - +33 170618347 > Germany L - 0800 1016 120 > G - M 0800 1016 124 > Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 > T - +7 499 650 7835 > United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 > T - +44 207 099 0867 > United States 1 800 550 6865 > T - +1 213 233 3193 > > T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number > > Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. > > Thank you, > > Very best regards > > Alice > Alice E. Jansen > -------------------------- > ICANN > Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews > alice.jansen at icann.org > Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 > Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 > Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 > Skype: alice_jansen_icann > -------------------------- > 6, Rond Point Schuman > B-1040 Brussels, Belgium > > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation?s IT Helpdesk. > Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. > All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. > > This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. > > > > > All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. 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On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. > Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/027ee447/attachment.html From seth.reiss at lex-ip.com Wed Oct 12 19:08:58 2011 From: seth.reiss at lex-ip.com (Seth M Reiss) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:08:58 -1000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C62@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C62@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> Message-ID: <005901cc8912$65b79b10$3126d130$@reiss@lex-ip.com> Sharon I will work with you on the definitions. I just need to figure out how better to do the communications. Please let me know if get my emails directly or not. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Alice Jansen'; rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Dear All, It is very unlikely that I will be able to make the call tonight. Sorry. I have been working on my actions from our MdR meeting 1. I have prepared a simple explanation of Whois, which is attached, and Seth has given some feedback which I will incorporate if appropriate. I have heard nothing from anyone else. - which is a bit disappointing as I need feedback to make it a worthwhile document, and it took a lot of time and effort. 2. I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it would be useful - otherwise I will. You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. I hope you are all well, Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: 12 October 2011 11:52 To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** 21:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Tea m+-+Call &iso=20111012T21 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M - 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation's IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/8e186af0/attachment.html From m.yakushev at corp.mail.ru Wed Oct 12 19:13:26 2011 From: m.yakushev at corp.mail.ru (Mikhail Yakushev) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:13:26 +0000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: <005901cc8912$65b79b10$3126d130$@reiss@lex-ip.com> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C62@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> <005901cc8912$65b79b10$3126d130$@reiss@lex-ip.com> Message-ID: <71B38F372F86D940B9C644A99264FA3128878D@M2EMBS1.mail.msk> Dear Sharon, colleagues, - My proposal in MdR was simple (to begin with :)) - let's introduce the section on Definitions wih the phrase like "for the purpose of the Report" {the Review Team suggests the following meanings for the terms as listed below}. Rgds, Michael From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Seth M Reiss Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:09 PM To: 'LEMON, Sharon'; 'Alice Jansen'; rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Sharon I will work with you on the definitions. I just need to figure out how better to do the communications. Please let me know if get my emails directly or not. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Alice Jansen'; rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Dear All, It is very unlikely that I will be able to make the call tonight. Sorry. I have been working on my actions from our MdR meeting 1. I have prepared a simple explanation of Whois, which is attached, and Seth has given some feedback which I will incorporate if appropriate. I have heard nothing from anyone else. - which is a bit disappointing as I need feedback to make it a worthwhile document, and it took a lot of time and effort. 2. I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it would be useful - otherwise I will. You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. I hope you are all well, Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: 12 October 2011 11:52 To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** 21:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M - 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation's IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/e1166868/attachment.html From seth.reiss at lex-ip.com Wed Oct 12 19:25:52 2011 From: seth.reiss at lex-ip.com (Seth M Reiss) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:25:52 -1000 Subject: [Rt4-whois] FW: Reviewing proxy/privacy ideas [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: <4E95D539.5090006@kathykleiman.com> References: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A333D6D916D@EMB01.dept.gov.au> <4E95D539.5090006@kathykleiman.com> Message-ID: <005e01cc8914$c2453b10$46cfb130$@reiss@lex-ip.com> I see, the good stuff comes right before the conference call! Clearly this is going to be one of the more interesting areas for our report. I do like the simplicity of Emily's analysis and perhaps that could be a beginning for the report discussion, i.e., breaking down the current practice in terms of the requirements of the RAA. The balance is arguably policy but nevertheless something I think we should attempt to deal with, but carefully, in particular so that all options are set forth logically in an even handed manner. To the extent we can achieve consensus on some, that would be great. There may be certain positions/recommendations that would apply to both proxy and privacy; and others that would not. Some may feel that privacy is inapplicable to non-commercial organizations and others not. Reaching consensus on all recommendations may be unlikely but we should see how far we can get. If we are going to introduce national legal requirements and bias' into this section, and both US first amendment and EU data protection concepts have potentially significant implications, then let's try to be non-geocentric and also, if possible, mention national legal requirements from other parts of the world to the extent we are aware of them. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:58 AM To: Emily Taylor Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] FW: Reviewing proxy/privacy ideas [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Peter, Emily and All, I have been giving this a lot of thought too. I have also been doing some research, and although I have been deeply embedded in the proxy/privacy issue for some time, there is still so much I don't know! Here are some of my thoughts: 1) I think you are right in dividing privacy from proxy from privacy registrations. As you wrote, and as Emily has written below in her recent email, proxy and privacy services (although spoken in the same breath) are different. I think our WRT Report can play an important role in laying out the differences, and sharing why, to us, these differences result in very clear and differing obligations and responsibilities. 2) I don't think you restrict privacy services to natural persons. As we have discussed in our meetings, there are many political organizations, religious groups and even commercial companies that claim privacy rights, and have legitimate reasons for not wanting to disclose a physical address. What I do think we can encourage the ICANN Community to develop is a series of guidelines for appropriate disclosure of the underlying data to law enforcement and others (called "Reveal" in ICANN parlance). (I also think the ICANN Community can develop a series of guidelines for appropriate practices for passing on information to the registrant at his/her/its address or email to notify them of all legal proceedings, inquiries to purchase the domain name, etc. -- this might defuse a lot of the existing tensions ("Relay" in ICANN parlance). 3) I do like the idea of best practices for privacy providers. 4) After great thought, and debate with several people on the Team (tx you!), I agree with you about proxy providers. I think your #7 is probably right: that "ICANN should claify that the full rights and responsibilities of a registrant accrue to the entity identified as the registrant." There does not seem to be any other way to do it. 5) An additional point: Education. perhaps we can use our recommendations to encourage clearer education of registrants, the ICANN Community, and the greater Law Enforcement, Commercial and other Communities. We can lay out the difference of proxy and privacy providers, and ways the choice of privacy or proxy might impact the registrants, and parties seeking the registrant. 6) One more additional point: Tiered Access. I don't know if we should get into this, but the Whois protocol can be modernized and updated to include levels of access for data -- e.g., privacy of addresses and telephone numbers -- and then provide access to those who a) identify themselves, and b) meet the criteria for access, e.g., law enforcement. In this case, the Whois information is held by registrar and registries, and thus much closer to ICANN. It is also far cheaper for registrants (who are currently paying more for their privacy services per year than their domain name, in many cases). Finally, it open future options for the registries and registrars to manage access to the data -- perhaps pursuant to rules ICANN might someday create. The current Whois protocol can't provide this service, but others can (Restful DNS, etc). Perhaps a win-win? Best and tx for all of your leadership in this area, Peter! Kathy << From Emily: Hi Peter Thanks for reviving this discussion. I've been mulling over privacy proxy recommendations, that would be suitable and not pre-empt the findings of studies. I think that a route might be to go back to the first principles in the contract. 1. Proxies are the registrant. Therefore they take the heat if there's any problem with the domain name, and the onus/responsibility is on them to prove that there is another party who should be blamed in a timely way. 2. Privacy registrations - on the face of it, these are inaccurate, and therefore the domain becomes subject to cancellation if the true registration details are not revealed in a timely manner. So, the policies are there, the contractual powers are there. There needs to be more responsiveness on the part of registrars in cancelling/amending/revealing underlying details where there's a problem. Thoughts? Best, Emily On 11 October 2011 05:49, Nettlefold, Peter wrote: Hi Kathy, I wanted to follow up the conversation about proxy services that we began in MDR. In particular, I wanted to ask about what you meant by the recommendation: 'Registrars may not knowingly use for their own registrations, or register the domain names of p/p service providers who do not have contracts with them' I'm assuming that a registrar has a contract with every registrant as a matter of course, so I take it that this is referring to having up front contracts with p/p providers? My question is would this be separate to a global ICANN p/p accreditation or registration scheme? My first intent here is to be really clear on what is intended. Secondly, I wonder if it would be more efficient and effective to have this kind of approach run in conjunctions with an ICANN accreditation scheme - i.e. ICANN would accredit p/p providers in a similar way that it does registrars, and any registrar could then do business with those providers? Otherwise, couldn't we would be faced with a range of issues, including registrars potentially signing contracts with themselves (or their subsidiaries, affiliates etc) to serve as p/p providers? I'm still looking forward to feedback from other team members on the question of whether proxy services should be recognised by ICANN, but wanted to discuss your proposals in the interim. Cheers, Peter From: "kathy at kathykleiman.com" > Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reviewing proxy/privacy ideas Date: September 21, 2011 7:26:51 AM PDT To: RT4 WHOIS >, Sharon Lemon > Reply-To: "kathy at kathykleiman.com" > Hi All, After good food and great company last night, I awoke with some new ideas regarding proxy/privacy service providers. What we know: - Not too much. Proxy/privacy providers (p/p) are not something we have studied closely. We know that many people, including very experienced Net users, do not have a clear distinction. They are generally used in the same voice at the same time. - We have no clear data about p/p. The upcoming GNSO studies will provide a) a study on reveal and relay requests to p/p providers, and b) a study of what percentage of "bad guys" are under p/p registration. We have only a study that says that 15-20% of domain names are under p/p, and an array of comments. We have not actual facts about p/p providers themselves. - Under US law, there is a strong protection of privacy and even anonymity in Free Speech, but "no tradition of anonymous commerce in the US." Let me quote the World Trademark Review, Aug/Sept 2011, article: "Why Trademark Owners Must lead the fight for accountability in e-commerce." ** "Clearly the First Amendment includes the right to speak anonymously. Moveover, the First Amendment places anonymous speech on the Internet on the same footing as other speech. As with other forms of expression, the ability to speak anonymously on the Internet promotes the robust exchange of ideas and allows individuals to express themselves without fear of economic or official retaliation or concern about social ostracism. The importance of the Internet to the expression of protected speech cannot be overstated..." Like the International Trademark Association, in some recent legislative work in the US, let's focus on the conduct we are most concerned about: - Domain names being used in conjunction with "goods or services advertised or sold at that [a] website." (International Trademark Association language as part of promoting a new US Statute for services of process to domain registrants whose data cannot be found - article above) For our WRT decisions, let's please not create confusion. The lines between p/p are difficult and unclear. Let's focus on conduct we know is out there and bounds that can be quickly established and are likely to help. ** Let me offer some reflections of yesterday. We all seem to agree that: ** - WE CAN BIND P/P CLOSER TO REGISTRARS, thus a Draft Recommendation: Registrars may not knowingly use for their own registrations, or register the domain names of p/p service providers who do not have contracts with them; do not have clear agreements to gather accurate Whois data from registrants; do not have clear contractual obligations to Reveal the underlying registrant data when requested under law or pursuant to ICANN rules. - ICANN will rapidly establish a proceeding, with Law Enforcement and Consumer Communities, as well as privacy and free speech Official and Experts, to develop a set of Reveal and Relay rules for p/p providers, in conjunction with the ICANN Community. - Registrant Declaration: is the domain name being used for goods or services sold or advertised using the domain name (note: this includes not only websites, but emails and other forms of domain name use). (Note: the GNSO might want to wait to set up rules until soon after their $200,000+ studies are completed within the year) Overall, separating out p/p providers without much more work and very, very, very extensive education -- it will be very confusing to ICANN and the Internet public. Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. 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I enjoyed reading it, and think that you have got the tone exactly right. There are a couple of details which are slightly inaccurate. The main one is that the WHOIS is not part of domain name resolution (your first diagram). It's a separate service, for looking up the contact details. So, when you type in www.icann.org, your ISP will (in theory - you're absolutely right about caching, and also many ISPs are part of exchange points) query the root data base (the IANA, managed by ICANN) and say "hey, know anything about icann.org". The reply from the root, is "I don't know about the icann bit, but .org is managed by Afilias. They're here". You go to Afilias, ask the same question and they say, here's the IP address. Love the Who's WHO of domain registration. Although James may object to being depicted as a little Granny, I think it suits perfectly ;-) On page 3, I'm not sure what you're meaning by "or registrants opt out". Opt out in the WHOIS context is a bit of a term of art, meaning that they elect not to have their contact details showing (for example it's the norm in European ccTLDs to offer a registrant opt out). If you're talking about registrants using their own nameservers, I think that's quite a marginal case, so don't think we need to go into it in this over view. If you would be willing, I'd like to add my diagram (still in the planning stage) about the WHOIS lifecycle , plus a few words on WHOIS data, into this section which I think is very strong. Thanks again, Emily On 12 October 2011 19:52, LEMON, Sharon wrote: > ** > > *NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED * > Dear All, > > It is very unlikely that I will be able to make the call tonight. Sorry. > > I have been working on my actions from our MdR meeting > > 1. I have prepared a simple explanation of Whois, which is attached, and > Seth has given some feedback which I will incorporate if appropriate. I > have heard nothing from anyone else. - which is a bit disappointing as I > need feedback to make it a worthwhile document, and it took a lot of time > and effort. > > 2. I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only > received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed > attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. > > 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given > this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless > anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very > useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it > would be useful - otherwise I will. > > You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to > our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and > actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. > > I hope you are all well, > > Sharon > > > > Sharon LEMON OBE > Deputy Director > Cyber and Forensics > Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) > 07768 290902 > 0207 855 2800 > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] *On > Behalf Of *Alice Jansen > *Sent:* 12 October 2011 11:52 > *To:* rt4-whois at icann.org > *Subject:* [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC > > Dear Review Team Members, > > Your next conference call is scheduled for: > > > ***Wednesday, 12 October **201**1***** > > *21:00 UTC* > > *Please check your local time at*: * > http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 > * > * > * > * > * > PASSWORD: *27318 **followed by **# * > * > * > *Agenda: * > https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 > > *Adobe room**: **http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/* > > Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u > > *Dial-in numbers:* > Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your > countries of residence. > Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available > at: *http://www.adigo.com/icann/* > > *Australia* 1 800 009 820 > 1 800 036 775 > Sydney T +61 290372962 > Melbourne T +61 399996500 > Brisbane T +61 731777546 > *Austria* L - 0 800 295 858 > M - 0 800 295 138 > T - +43 720 882 638 > *Belgium* L - 0800 79210 > M ? 0800 79218 > T - +32 78 480 286 > *Brazil* L - 0800 891 1597 > M - 0800 891 1598 > T - +55 613 717 2040 > *Canada* 1 800 550 6865 > T - +1 213 233 3193 > *France* 0800 90 25 56 > T - +33 170618347 > *Germany* L - 0800 1016 120 > G - M 0800 1016 124 > *Russia* 8 10 8002 535 3011 > T - +7 499 650 7835 *United Kingdom* 0800 032 6646 > T - +44 207 099 0867 > *United States* 1 800 550 6865 > T - +1 213 233 3193 > > *T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline > preferred number* > > Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this > call. > > Thank you, > > Very best regards > > Alice > Alice E. 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URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/91153055/attachment.html From Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au Wed Oct 12 20:04:20 2011 From: Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au (Nettlefold, Peter) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:04:20 +1100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A333D6421F4@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Good morning all I won't be able to join the start of the call, but hope to dial in about 30 minutes in. Cheers Peter From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim at vonarx.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 06:06 AM To: LEMON, Sharon Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Dear All, I must apologize, but I will most likely not be able to make the call either. I will do my best, but I am stuck in a settlement conference and we are making progress and don't want to lose momentum. I will review all of the documents that were sent around and provide my feedback by end of weekend. Also, I am not exactly sure where to find the input we received from SIDN, Nominet and other ccTLDs. Can someone point me to those documents so that I can complete my cctld review? My apologies for the long silence, but I've had several personal cases and matters on the go which took up all of my time and attention. I hope that it will ease up significantly once November roles around. Thanks. Kim Please excuse my typos! This is sent from my iPhone. On 2011-10-12, at 14:52, "LEMON, Sharon" > wrote: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Dear All, It is very unlikely that I will be able to make the call tonight. Sorry. I have been working on my actions from our MdR meeting 1. I have prepared a simple explanation of Whois, which is attached, and Seth has given some feedback which I will incorporate if appropriate. I have heard nothing from anyone else. - which is a bit disappointing as I need feedback to make it a worthwhile document, and it took a lot of time and effort. 2. I am due to give feedback on Bill's explanation of Whois, which I only received a couple of hours ago, so haven't been able to give any detailed attention to yet. I will do as soon as I can. 3. Definitions: I haven't been in contact with any of the subteam given this action yet, but am happy to start an email chain around this, unless anyone else wants to start the work. I know Michael came up with some very useful suggestions at our MdR meeting - so if he could kick start this it would be useful - otherwise I will. You will know that I have difficulty accessing a lot of our messages due to our security settings, but if Alice could circulate a list of decisions and actions as a result of tonight's call, that would be great. I hope you are all well, Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: 12 October 2011 11:52 To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call today @ 21:00 UTC Dear Review Team Members, Your next conference call is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 October 2011** 21:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+Policy+Review+Team+-+Call&iso=20111012T21 PASSWORD: 27318 followed by # Agenda: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/ Audio-cast (silent observers): http://stream.icann.org:8000/whois.m3u Dial-in numbers: Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney T +61 290372962 Melbourne T +61 399996500 Brisbane T +61 731777546 Austria L - 0 800 295 858 M - 0 800 295 138 T - +43 720 882 638 Belgium L - 0800 79210 M ? 0800 79218 T - +32 78 480 286 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 France 0800 90 25 56 T - +33 170618347 Germany L - 0800 1016 120 G - M 0800 1016 124 Russia 8 10 8002 535 3011 T - +7 499 650 7835 United Kingdom 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call. Thank you, Very best regards Alice Alice E. Jansen -------------------------- ICANN Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews alice.jansen at icann.org Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64 Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56 Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48 Skype: alice_jansen_icann -------------------------- 6, Rond Point Schuman B-1040 Brussels, Belgium This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) In case of problems, please call your organisation?s IT Helpdesk. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. 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Please be kindly reminded that conference call material is posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Thanks, Kind regards Alice 1.Roll-call and apologies 2.Adoption of agenda 3.Adoption of preliminary reports * 14 September ? conference call * 20-21 September ? Marina del Rey face-to--face meeting 4.Chapter penholders: status report 5.User Insight questionnaire: status report 6.Draft report: exchange of views on most recent version (v2 - 10 Oct) 7.Action items: Members report progress made to date 8.Dakar meeting: arrival date, availability to participate in Saturday meeting, use of time etc 9.A.O.B PARTICIPANTS Emily Taylor, Lutz Donnehacke, Lynn Goodendorf, Seth Reiss, James Bladel, Susan Kawaguchi, Kathy Kleiman, Denise Michel, Olof Nordling, Alice Jansen APOLOGIES Omar Kaminski, Michael Yakushev, Sharon Lemon, Kim Von Arx NOTES 1. OK 2. Agenda adopted 3. Preliminary report 14 Sept adopted - Preliminary report MdR 4. Chapter penholders report: (BS) first draft on executive summary - shared it with (SL). (JB) making progress - timelime prior to Dakar by next week - (ET) amendments to implementations section. (SL) circulated note - incorporate into section. 5.User insight report - progressing with online surveys, US completed, 9 other countries in progress. On track to finish the online survey this Friday - planning to deliver report and findings on Oct 21 - (consistent with contract provisions). (LG) had a confcall with US - went over final chances, incorporated a number of suggestions (SH's etc). Some suggestions were not feasible for an online survey, required more of a face-to-face interface. (LG) will request final version - to email project manager. Language interpreters working with them to make sure that examples, phrasing translate appropriately. This study will consolidate our overall report. 6. central repository - tighten up language, cut down number of words, decide whether keep some text, annex it or delete it. Once confirmation received on chapters, need one editor to work on wordsmithing (consistent terms, reference) clean document. Not alter content but make it read well. Susan confused : what recommendations are we going to make. Agreement? Sections upon which don't agree? Difficult to interact without stepping on toes. Make clear what has been done (version control task). To determine editor of document in Dakar. (AJ) to group recommendations upon which we have team agreement. We also need to answer questions set in scope. Look at consumer trust results in anticipation of Dakar. 7. Use (AJ)'s reminder as reference point in anticipation of Dakar. Tick community notification. (AJ) to circulate the letter to the team. Action list is our prompt for the next few days 8. hotel reservation numbers? Saturday time for Members to refine their drafts - drafting collaboration. (ET) and (KK) to work hand in hand on agenda. Closing remarks: consult your action items - work on it before Dakar - chance of success in Dakar (lot of time together!), great progress in MdR (agreeing recommendations, keep privacy/proxy dialogue going. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/8c88f832/attachment.html From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com Wed Oct 12 21:40:51 2011 From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:40:51 -0600 Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework In-Reply-To: <000601cc86fa$d1f370c0$75da5240$@reiss@lex-ip.com> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C17@DDCCCVEXCH0002.soca.local> <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C1F@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> <000601cc86fa$d1f370c0$75da5240$@reiss@lex-ip.com> Message-ID: <9F6319F5-8B3A-49C6-80F6-DC6DC382E0A8@paypal.com> Attached is the "long" executive summary we discussed in MDR. Sharon hasn't had a chance to review yet (my fault). On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Seth M Reiss wrote: Sharon I know I am supposed to be helping in the area of writing a simple signification of the WHOIS, but I am still a bit foggy as to how I should interface into all this. So here goes. I took your very good simplification of DMS and made some suggestions intended to clarify. I tried not to mess with style or make it sound American ?. Please take what you think helps and then discard the rest. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:31 AM To: LEMON, Sharon; 'rt4-whois at icann.org' Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Hello Everyone, One of my actions was to compile a simple guide to DNS and Whois, for those outside the murky waters of internet governance. Please find first attempt attached (with a little help from my friends) . Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 0207 855 2800 NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email onPICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. 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Cheers, Peter From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2011 8:42 AM To: rt4-whois at icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] confcall 12 Oct - Note Pod Content from WHOIS-Review Dear Review Team Members, For your convenience, please find enclosed the note pod content of your call held on 12 October. Kindly note that these are draft notes and that Staff will create a preliminary report. Please be kindly reminded that conference call material is posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 Thanks, Kind regards Alice 1.Roll-call and apologies 2.Adoption of agenda 3.Adoption of preliminary reports * 14 September - conference call * 20-21 September - Marina del Rey face-to--face meeting 4.Chapter penholders: status report 5.User Insight questionnaire: status report 6.Draft report: exchange of views on most recent version (v2 - 10 Oct) 7.Action items: Members report progress made to date 8.Dakar meeting: arrival date, availability to participate in Saturday meeting, use of time etc 9.A.O.B PARTICIPANTS Emily Taylor, Lutz Donnehacke, Lynn Goodendorf, Seth Reiss, James Bladel, Susan Kawaguchi, Kathy Kleiman, Denise Michel, Olof Nordling, Alice Jansen APOLOGIES Omar Kaminski, Michael Yakushev, Sharon Lemon, Kim Von Arx NOTES 1. OK 2. Agenda adopted 3. Preliminary report 14 Sept adopted - Preliminary report MdR 4. Chapter penholders report: (BS) first draft on executive summary - shared it with (SL). (JB) making progress - timelime prior to Dakar by next week - (ET) amendments to implementations section. (SL) circulated note - incorporate into section. 5.User insight report - progressing with online surveys, US completed, 9 other countries in progress. On track to finish the online survey this Friday - planning to deliver report and findings on Oct 21 - (consistent with contract provisions). (LG) had a confcall with US - went over final chances, incorporated a number of suggestions (SH's etc). Some suggestions were not feasible for an online survey, required more of a face-to-face interface. (LG) will request final version - to email project manager. Language interpreters working with them to make sure that examples, phrasing translate appropriately. This study will consolidate our overall report. 6. central repository - tighten up language, cut down number of words, decide whether keep some text, annex it or delete it. Once confirmation received on chapters, need one editor to work on wordsmithing (consistent terms, reference) clean document. Not alter content but make it read well. Susan confused : what recommendations are we going to make. Agreement? Sections upon which don't agree? Difficult to interact without stepping on toes. Make clear what has been done (version control task). To determine editor of document in Dakar. (AJ) to group recommendations upon which we have team agreement. We also need to answer questions set in scope. Look at consumer trust results in anticipation of Dakar. 7. Use (AJ)'s reminder as reference point in anticipation of Dakar. Tick community notification. (AJ) to circulate the letter to the team. Action list is our prompt for the next few days 8. hotel reservation numbers? Saturday time for Members to refine their drafts - drafting collaboration. (ET) and (KK) to work hand in hand on agenda. Closing remarks: consult your action items - work on it before Dakar - chance of success in Dakar (lot of time together!), great progress in MdR (agreeing recommendations, keep privacy/proxy dialogue going. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. 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Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." On 12 Oct 2011, at 17:43, Nettlefold, Peter wrote: > Hello all, > I just tried to dial in, and it seems the call is already over, so I?ll see you all in Dakar. > Cheers, > Peter > > From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen > Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2011 8:42 AM > To: rt4-whois at icann.org > Subject: [Rt4-whois] confcall 12 Oct - Note Pod Content from WHOIS-Review > > Dear Review Team Members, > > For your convenience, please find enclosed the note pod content of your call held on 12 October. > Kindly note that these are draft notes and that Staff will create a preliminary report. > Please be kindly reminded that conference call material is posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 > Thanks, > > Kind regards > > Alice > 1.Roll-call and apologies > 2.Adoption of agenda > 3.Adoption of preliminary reports > ? 14 September ? conference call > ? 20-21 September ? Marina del Rey face-to--face meeting > 4.Chapter penholders: status report > 5.User Insight questionnaire: status report > 6.Draft report: exchange of views on most recent version (v2 - 10 Oct) > 7.Action items: Members report progress made to date > 8.Dakar meeting: arrival date, availability to participate in Saturday meeting, use of time etc > 9.A.O.B > PARTICIPANTS > Emily Taylor, Lutz Donnehacke, Lynn Goodendorf, Seth Reiss, James Bladel, Susan Kawaguchi, Kathy Kleiman, Denise Michel, Olof Nordling, Alice Jansen > APOLOGIES > Omar Kaminski, Michael Yakushev, Sharon Lemon, Kim Von Arx > NOTES > 1. OK > 2. Agenda adopted > 3. Preliminary report 14 Sept adopted - > Preliminary report MdR > 4. Chapter penholders report: (BS) first draft on executive summary - shared it with (SL). (JB) making progress - timelime prior to Dakar by next week - (ET) amendments to implementations section. (SL) circulated note - incorporate into section. > 5.User insight report - progressing with online surveys, US completed, 9 other countries in progress. On track to finish the online survey this Friday - planning to deliver report and findings on Oct 21 - (consistent with contract provisions). (LG) had a confcall with US - went over final chances, incorporated a number of suggestions (SH's etc). Some suggestions were not feasible for an online survey, required more of a face-to-face interface. (LG) will request final version - to email project manager. Language interpreters working with them to make sure that examples, phrasing translate appropriately. This study will consolidate our overall report. > 6. central repository - tighten up language, cut down number of words, decide whether keep some text, annex it or delete it. Once confirmation received on chapters, need one editor to work on wordsmithing (consistent terms, reference) clean document. Not alter content but make it read well. Susan confused : what recommendations are we going to make. Agreement? Sections upon which don't agree? Difficult to interact without stepping on toes. Make clear what has been done (version control task). To determine editor of document in Dakar. (AJ) to group recommendations upon which we have team agreement. We also need to answer questions set in scope. Look at consumer trust results in anticipation of Dakar. > 7. Use (AJ)'s reminder as reference point in anticipation of Dakar. Tick community notification. (AJ) to circulate the letter to the team. Action list is our prompt for the next few days > 8. hotel reservation numbers? Saturday time for Members to refine their drafts - drafting collaboration. (ET) and (KK) to work hand in hand on agenda. > Closing remarks: consult your action items - work on it before Dakar - chance of success in Dakar (lot of time together!), great progress in MdR (agreeing recommendations, keep privacy/proxy dialogue going. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all > copies of the original message. > > This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. > MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. For more information on Axway products please visit www.axway.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/bd16be54/attachment.html From kathy at kathykleiman.com Wed Oct 12 23:52:42 2011 From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] confcall 12 Oct - Note Pod Content from WHOIS-Review [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] In-Reply-To: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A333D75BD63@EMB01.dept.gov.au> References: <32608956.8152782.1318455382209.JavaMail.breezesvc@pacna7app07> <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A333D75BD63@EMB01.dept.gov.au> Message-ID: <4E96284A.6060701@kathykleiman.com> Hi All, We did end early. Among other things, we discussed the Dakar meetings, with meeting slots on Saturday afternoon (informal), Sunday (all day) and Monday (afternoon). See you in Dakar! Kathy : > > Hello all, > > I just tried to dial in, and it seems the call is already over, so > I'll see you all in Dakar. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > *From:*rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org > [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Alice Jansen > *Sent:* Thursday, 13 October 2011 8:42 AM > *To:* rt4-whois at icann.org > *Subject:* [Rt4-whois] confcall 12 Oct - Note Pod Content from > WHOIS-Review > > Dear Review Team Members, > > For your convenience, please find enclosed the note pod content of > your call held on 12 October. > > Kindly note that these are draft notes and that Staff will create a > preliminary report. > > Please be kindly reminded that conference call material is posted at: > https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/Call+22+-+12+October+2011 > > Thanks, > > Kind regards > > Alice > > 1.Roll-call and apologies > 2.Adoption of agenda > 3.Adoption of preliminary reports > ? 14 September -- conference call > ? 20-21 September -- Marina del Rey face-to--face meeting > 4.Chapter penholders: status report > 5.User Insight questionnaire: status report > 6.Draft report: exchange of views on most recent version (v2 - 10 Oct) > 7.Action items: Members report progress made to date > 8.Dakar meeting: arrival date, availability to participate in Saturday meeting, use of time etc > 9.A.O.B > *PARTICIPANTS* > Emily Taylor, Lutz Donnehacke, Lynn Goodendorf, Seth Reiss, James Bladel, Susan Kawaguchi, Kathy Kleiman, Denise Michel, Olof Nordling, Alice Jansen > *APOLOGIES* > Omar Kaminski, Michael Yakushev, Sharon Lemon, Kim Von Arx > *NOTES* > 1. OK > 2. Agenda adopted > 3. Preliminary report 14 Sept adopted - > Preliminary report MdR > 4. Chapter penholders report: (BS) first draft on executive summary - shared it with (SL). (JB) making progress - timelime prior to Dakar by next week - (ET) amendments to implementations section. (SL) circulated note - incorporate into section. > 5.User insight report - progressing with online surveys, US completed, 9 other countries in progress. On track to finish the online survey this Friday - planning to deliver report and findings on Oct 21 - (consistent with contract provisions). (LG) had a confcall with US - went over final chances, incorporated a number of suggestions (SH's etc). Some suggestions were not feasible for an online survey, required more of a face-to-face interface. (LG) will request final version - to email project manager. Language interpreters working with them to make sure that examples, phrasing translate appropriately. This study will consolidate our overall report. > 6. central repository - tighten up language, cut down number of words, decide whether keep some text, annex it or delete it. Once confirmation received on chapters, need one editor to work on wordsmithing (consistent terms, reference) clean document. Not alter content but make it read well. Susan confused : what recommendations are we going to make. Agreement? Sections upon which don't agree? Difficult to interact without stepping on toes. Make clear what has been done (version control task). To determine editor of document in Dakar. (AJ) to group recommendations upon which we have team agreement. We also need to answer questions set in scope. Look at consumer trust results in anticipation of Dakar. > 7. Use (AJ)'s reminder as reference point in anticipation of Dakar. Tick community notification. (AJ) to circulate the letter to the team. Action list is our prompt for the next few days > 8. hotel reservation numbers? Saturday time for Members to refine their drafts - drafting collaboration. (ET) and (KK) to work hand in hand on agenda. > Closing remarks: consult your action items - work on it before Dakar - chance of success in Dakar (lot of time together!), great progress in MdR (agreeing recommendations, keep privacy/proxy dialogue going. > > > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------* > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) > and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and > destroy all > copies of the original message. > > This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. > MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, > undesirable content and malicious code. For more information on Axway > products please visit www.axway.com. > > *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111012/c5177821/attachment.html From emily at emilytaylor.eu Thu Oct 13 06:29:27 2011 From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:29:27 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework In-Reply-To: <9F6319F5-8B3A-49C6-80F6-DC6DC382E0A8@paypal.com> References: <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C17@DDCCCVEXCH0002.soca.local> <3062FB662B110E4A9F14C63284D07FF7050C68262C1F@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> <9F6319F5-8B3A-49C6-80F6-DC6DC382E0A8@paypal.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill Thank you for your work on this. It's concise, readable, and (I think) a fair summary of what will follow. It will also help to keep us on track as we wrestle the main report into shape. Look forward to further iterations. Kind regards Emily On 12 October 2011 22:40, Smith, Bill wrote: > Attached is the "long" executive summary we discussed in MDR. Sharon hasn't > had a chance to review yet (my fault). > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Seth M Reiss wrote: > > Sharon > > I know I am supposed to be helping in the area of writing a simple > signification of the WHOIS, but I am still a bit foggy as to how I should > interface into all this. So here goes. > > I took your very good simplification of DMS and made some suggestions > intended to clarify. I tried not to mess with style or make it sound > American ?. Please take what you think helps and then discard the rest. > > Seth > > From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org > [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of LEMON, Sharon > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:31 AM > To: LEMON, Sharon; 'rt4-whois at icann.org' > Subject: [Rt4-whois] My first bit of homework > > > NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED > > Hello Everyone, > > One of my actions was to compile a simple guide to DNS and Whois, for those > outside the murky waters of internet governance. Please find first attempt > attached (with a little help from my friends) . > > Sharon > > Sharon LEMON OBE > Deputy Director > Cyber and Forensics > Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) > 07768 290902 > 0207 855 2800 > > NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED > > > This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from > disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject > to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, > for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to > the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by > email onPICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk PICUEnquiries at soca.x.gsi.gov.uk> or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. > > > > All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. > Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the > subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and > without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the > Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files > transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom > they are addressed. 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URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111013/c005f364/attachment.html From alice.jansen at icann.org Thu Oct 13 08:35:13 2011 From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:35:13 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] Letter Message-ID: Dear Review Team Members, Following up on your request, please find below the letter that was sent to the GAC, SSAC, GNSO Council and ICANN Board. Thanks, Kind regards Alice On behalf of Emily Taylor and Kathy Kleiman Dear xxx, On behalf of the WHOIS Policy Review Team, we wish to thank you for your willingness to meet with our Team in Dakar. We wanted to share with you that our timeframe for next public outreach meetings has changed slightly. Two weeks ago we held a highly productive two-day session in Marina del Rey, with 14 of our 15 members present. We worked hard on our final report and recommendations. While we are fully committed to releasing our Report on the date we set a year ago, November 30th, we will not be releasing the report prior to that date. Accordingly, while we will be holding working sessions in Dakar for the Review team, we will not be holding any public or community sessions. Our next public and community meetings will take place in Costa Rica following release of our Report and its recommendations. We look forward tomeeting with you then, and hope we can schedule our meeting time well in advance to discuss our recommendations. Should you have additional thoughts for our Team, we welcome the input and include our email addresses below. We wish you productive meetings in Dakar! Sincerely, Emily Taylor Kathy Kleiman Chairman, Whois Review Team Vice-Chair, Whois Review Team emily at emilytaylor.eu kathy at kathykleiman.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111013/c77b2639/attachment.html From denise.michel at icann.org Thu Oct 13 19:18:20 2011 From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Rt4-whois] FW: For consideration: RAA DIscussion Paper In-Reply-To: <5792758163D76C4F9C36491EDF2AF735377EF1A84F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org> References: <5792758163D76C4F9C36491EDF2AF735377EF1A84F@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org> Message-ID: Dear Team members, FYI -- the attached discussion paper was sent the GNSO today. Staff wrote this as requested by the Board and it provides a useful explanation of the various paths to RAA changes. Regards, Denise Denise Michel ICANN Advisor to the President & CEO denise.michel at icann.org +1.408.429.3072 mobile +1.310.578.8632 direct *From:* owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Pritz *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:37 PM *To:* council at gnso.icann.org *Subject:* [council] For consideration: RAA DIscussion Paper **** ** ** Dear GNSO Council Members,**** **** I would appreciate it if you could please review the attached ?Discussion Paper on Next Steps to Produce a New Form of the RAA?. This paper suggests possible options for consideration by the community to move the RAA amendment process forward in a cooperative and timely manner.**** **** This paper was prepared in response to a request from the Board to categorize proposed amendment topics and summarize possible options for next steps. **** ** ** The recent efforts by the GNSO Council to address some of the law enforcement recommendations demonstrate progress and are encouraging. There are many other proposals to be addressed. We believe that this paper can be useful in identifying additional alternative paths. To be clear, this is not intended to interrupt current work or advance ICANN Board or staff opinion in the policy discussions. The paper is meant to be responsive to requests for information. It is also meant to signal that there will be a high level of staff support to facilitate the development of RAA amendments and any related policy activities.**** ** ** Two additional points: You will find that the categorization of topics is not as straightforward as we all might prefer. As described in the paper, it is difficult to determine whether a proposal is a policy issue or is within the picket fence without considering specific amendment language. Finally, the paper indicates a preference for undertaking substantive discussion now, to develop specific recommendations for amendments through negotiation or policy development or both. **** **** We hope that this Discussion Paper will encourage further dialogue in Dakar with the GNSO Council, the Registrar Stakeholder Group, and the ICANN community with regard to identifying an acceptable path forward. I am sure this paper is likely to raise questions also. I think an exchange of questions and answers is important to realize the full benefit of the thought that went into this ? a writing does not always capture or describe all the ideas generated. Please direct those questions to Margie Milam, who will share them with the cross-functional team that worked on this for your consideration.**** **** Best regards,**** **** Kurt**** ** ** ** ** Kurt Pritz**** ICANN**** ** ** 4676 Admiralty Way, #330**** Marina del Rey, CA 90292**** ** ** ** ** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111013/0f5b4071/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Final RAA Discussion Paper 13-10-11v3.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1661831 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111013/0f5b4071/FinalRAADiscussionPaper13-10-11v3.pdf From kim at vonarx.ca Fri Oct 14 03:50:29 2011 From: kim at vonarx.ca (Kim G. von Arx) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:50:29 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] senegal trip Message-ID: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> All: Please note that I regret to inform you that I have to cancel the upcoming ICANN trip. I simply do not have the time to leave work and my litigation issues for a week. I apologize for this and apologize for not having been able to provide all of the time required in the last few weeks. I really was hoping that things would be improving, but in order to be fair to everyone, I believe it is best for me to resign at this stage. I have cc-ed Kontantinos on this correspondence and maybe he can quickly assign a new person to this team. I understand that Milton has quite a bit of experience in that field as well. Regardless, I believe that Kathy can fully represent both sides of the coin, i.e, the registry community as well as the non-commercial constituency. I enjoyed working with all of you and hope to be crossing paths again in the near future. Again, my sincerest apologies, but my life is currently quite busy and very time consuming. Best wishes, Kim __________________________________ kim at vonarx.ca +1 (613) 286-4445 "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111013/37edb83f/attachment.html From k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 14 08:33:36 2011 From: k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk (Konstantinos Komaitis) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:33:36 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] senegal trip In-Reply-To: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> References: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> Message-ID: Thanks for this Kim - it is a shame that you have to resign from the WHOIS review team, but I totally understand the workload issues. my understanding is that you were supposed to be writing a section of the report on ccTLDs? I was wondering therefore if you could possibly complete this task, given your participation in the WHOIS review team for such a long time and having spent time deliberating on these very issues. Many thanks Konstantinos Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, Senior Lecturer, Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law University of Strathclyde, The Law School, Graham Hills building, 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA UK tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 Selected publications: http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 Website: www.komaitis.org From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim at vonarx.ca] Sent: ?????????, 14 ????????? 2011 4:50 ?? To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS; ICANN Constituency Travel Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis Subject: senegal trip All: Please note that I regret to inform you that I have to cancel the upcoming ICANN trip. I simply do not have the time to leave work and my litigation issues for a week. I apologize for this and apologize for not having been able to provide all of the time required in the last few weeks. I really was hoping that things would be improving, but in order to be fair to everyone, I believe it is best for me to resign at this stage. I have cc-ed Kontantinos on this correspondence and maybe he can quickly assign a new person to this team. I understand that Milton has quite a bit of experience in that field as well. Regardless, I believe that Kathy can fully represent both sides of the coin, i.e, the registry community as well as the non-commercial constituency. I enjoyed working with all of you and hope to be crossing paths again in the near future. Again, my sincerest apologies, but my life is currently quite busy and very time consuming. Best wishes, Kim __________________________________ kim at vonarx.ca +1 (613) 286-4445 "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111014/89827622/attachment.html From kim at vonarx.ca Fri Oct 14 11:28:10 2011 From: kim at vonarx.ca (Kim G. von Arx) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:28:10 -0400 Subject: [Rt4-whois] senegal trip In-Reply-To: References: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> Message-ID: I will work on that and get it to the team by end of weekend or early next week at the latest. Kim __________________________________ kim at vonarx.ca +1 (613) 286-4445 "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." On 14 Oct 2011, at 04:33, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote: > Thanks for this Kim ? it is a shame that you have to resign from the WHOIS review team, but I totally understand the workload issues. my understanding is that you were supposed to be writing a section of the report on ccTLDs? I was wondering therefore if you could possibly complete this task, given your participation in the WHOIS review team for such a long time and having spent time deliberating on these very issues. > > Many thanks > > Konstantinos > > Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, > > Senior Lecturer, > Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses > Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law > University of Strathclyde, > The Law School, > Graham Hills building, > 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA > UK > tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 > http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 > Selected publications: http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 > Website: www.komaitis.org > > From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim at vonarx.ca] > Sent: ?????????, 14 ????????? 2011 4:50 ?? > To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS; ICANN Constituency Travel > Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis > Subject: senegal trip > > All: > > Please note that I regret to inform you that I have to cancel the upcoming ICANN trip. I simply do not have the time to leave work and my litigation issues for a week. > > I apologize for this and apologize for not having been able to provide all of the time required in the last few weeks. I really was hoping that things would be improving, but in order to be fair to everyone, I believe it is best for me to resign at this stage. > > I have cc-ed Kontantinos on this correspondence and maybe he can quickly assign a new person to this team. I understand that Milton has quite a bit of experience in that field as well. Regardless, I believe that Kathy can fully represent both sides of the coin, i.e, the registry community as well as the non-commercial constituency. > > I enjoyed working with all of you and hope to be crossing paths again in the near future. Again, my sincerest apologies, but my life is currently quite busy and very time consuming. > > Best wishes, > > Kim > > > > __________________________________ > > kim at vonarx.ca > +1 (613) 286-4445 > > "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111014/0facd2b7/attachment.html From k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk Fri Oct 14 12:07:24 2011 From: k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk (Konstantinos Komaitis) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:07:24 +0100 Subject: [Rt4-whois] senegal trip In-Reply-To: References: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> Message-ID: Thank you very much Kim ? this is highly appreciated. KK Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, Senior Lecturer, Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law University of Strathclyde, The Law School, Graham Hills building, 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA UK tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 Selected publications: http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 Website: www.komaitis.org From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim at vonarx.ca] Sent: ?????????, 14 ????????? 2011 12:28 ?? To: Konstantinos Komaitis Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS Subject: Re: senegal trip I will work on that and get it to the team by end of weekend or early next week at the latest. Kim __________________________________ kim at vonarx.ca +1 (613) 286-4445 "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." On 14 Oct 2011, at 04:33, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote: Thanks for this Kim ? it is a shame that you have to resign from the WHOIS review team, but I totally understand the workload issues. my understanding is that you were supposed to be writing a section of the report on ccTLDs? I was wondering therefore if you could possibly complete this task, given your participation in the WHOIS review team for such a long time and having spent time deliberating on these very issues. Many thanks Konstantinos Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis, Senior Lecturer, Director of Postgraduate Instructional Courses Director of LLM Information Technology and Telecommunications Law University of Strathclyde, The Law School, Graham Hills building, 50 George Street, Glasgow G1 1BA UK tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306 http://www.routledgemedia.com/books/The-Current-State-of-Domain-Name-Regulation-isbn9780415477765 Selected publications: http://hq.ssrn.com/submissions/MyPapers.cfm?partid=501038 Website: www.komaitis.org From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim at vonarx.ca] Sent: ?????????, 14 ????????? 2011 4:50 ?? To: rt4-whois at icann.org WHOIS; ICANN Constituency Travel Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis Subject: senegal trip All: Please note that I regret to inform you that I have to cancel the upcoming ICANN trip. I simply do not have the time to leave work and my litigation issues for a week. I apologize for this and apologize for not having been able to provide all of the time required in the last few weeks. I really was hoping that things would be improving, but in order to be fair to everyone, I believe it is best for me to resign at this stage. I have cc-ed Kontantinos on this correspondence and maybe he can quickly assign a new person to this team. I understand that Milton has quite a bit of experience in that field as well. Regardless, I believe that Kathy can fully represent both sides of the coin, i.e, the registry community as well as the non-commercial constituency. I enjoyed working with all of you and hope to be crossing paths again in the near future. Again, my sincerest apologies, but my life is currently quite busy and very time consuming. Best wishes, Kim __________________________________ kim at vonarx.ca +1 (613) 286-4445 "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/rt4-whois/attachments/20111014/85aed306/attachment.html From omar at kaminski.adv.br Sat Oct 15 23:33:37 2011 From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:33:37 -0300 Subject: [Rt4-whois] senegal trip In-Reply-To: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> References: <047D8A43-9B2D-46E8-801B-065E30D7DFE1@vonarx.ca> Message-ID: Dear Kim, I'm on a similar situation, I'm having so little free time avaliable being a self-employed lawyer. This includes my absence in Dakar. Even though, I was encouraged by Kathy to stay around and try to help when possible, and I'm doing my best to follow if not all at least some discussions and papers. It was a pleasure to work with you. Best wishes from .br, Omar 2011/10/14 Kim G. von Arx : > All: > Please note that I regret to inform you that I have to cancel the upcoming > ICANN trip. ?I simply do not have the time to leave work and my litigation > issues for a week. > I apologize for this and apologize for not having been able to provide all > of the time required in the last few weeks. ?I really was hoping that things > would be improving, but in order to be fair to everyone, I believe it is > best for me to resign at this stage. > I have cc-ed Kontantinos on this correspondence and maybe he can quickly > assign a new person to this team. ?I understand that Milton has quite a bit > of experience in that field as well. Regardless, I believe that Kathy can > fully represent both sides of the coin, i.e, the registry community as well > as the non-commercial constituency. > I enjoyed working with all of you and hope to be crossing paths again in the > near future. ?Again, my sincerest apologies, but my life is currently quite > busy and very time consuming. > Best wishes, > Kim > > > __________________________________ > kim at vonarx.ca > +1 (613) 286-4445 > "Shoot for the moon. ?Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars..." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rt4-whois mailing list > Rt4-whois at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > >