From lgoodendorf at versprite.com  Mon Feb 13 02:32:36 2012
From: lgoodendorf at versprite.com (Lynn Goodendorf)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:32:36 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft
	Report	Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CB5DE104.16207%alice.jansen@icann.org>
References: <CAPcHvQHNixx917TxTq8qKF8=pz-9sU+tJNZRFpnunrg+OUji-w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CB5DE104.16207%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <0556BB5BB3ED614D9261441DC56B1AB50E90661F@GQ-EXCH002.greenqube.local>

Regret that I am not available this week during business hours, Monday through Thursday.

I would be able to participate in a call on Friday, February 17.

Lynn



________________________________
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Alice Jansen [alice.jansen at icann.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:50 PM
To: Denise Michel; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February ? end of your business day.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
--
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct
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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Mon Feb 13 09:32:11 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:32:11 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC
Message-ID: <CB5E972B.1627E%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:


**Tuesday, 14 February 2012**

05:00 UTC

London ? Tues 05:00
Berlin ? Tues 06:00
Vienna ? Tues 06:00
Washington ? Tues 00:00
Des Moines ? Tues 00:00
Atlanta ? Tues 00:00
Los Angeles ? Mon 21:00
Honolulu ? Mon 19:00
Sydney ? Tues 16:00
Moscow ? Tues 09:00
Lahore ? Tues 10:00
Sao Paolo ? Tues 03:00



Please check your local time at:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05

PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #

Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/

Dial-in numbers:
Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence.
Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/

Australia       1 800 009 820
1 800 036 775
Sydney  T       +61 290372962
Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
Brisbane        T       +61 731777546

Austria L - 0 800 295 858
M - 0 800 295 138
T - +43 720 882 638

Belgium L - 0800 79210
M ? 0800 79218
T - +32 78 480 286

Brazil  L - 0800 891 1597
M - 0800 891 1598
T - +55 613 717 2040

Canada  1 800 550 6865
T - +1 213 233 3193

France  0800 90 25 56
T - +33 170618347

Germany L -  0800 1016 120
G - M 0800 1016 124

Russia  8 10 8002 535 3011
T - +7 499 650 7835
United Kingdom  0800 032 6646
T  - +44 207 099 0867

United States   1 800 550 6865
T  - +1 213 233 3193


T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call.

Thank you,

Very best regards

Alice
Alice E. Jansen
--------------------------
ICANN
Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews
alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>
Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
Skype: alice_jansen_icann
--------------------------
6, Rond Point Schuman
B-1040 Brussels, Belgium

--
Alice Jansen
Assistant, Organizational Reviews
6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
B-1040 Brussels
Belgium
Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
Skype: alice_jansen_icann


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From emily at emilytaylor.eu  Mon Feb 13 09:45:30 2012
From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:45:30 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC
In-Reply-To: <CB5E972B.1627E%alice.jansen@icann.org>
References: <CB5E972B.1627E%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAKWYFsdCTDhLYoiDkB2GYTKASByow9YkNadL_uE-jXHCoW33zw@mail.gmail.com>

All - was there any progress on scheduling an East / west time slot.  This
is a truly brutal schedule for Europeans and the Americas.  I would propose
that we reschedule unless we are sure of a good turnout from both sides,
and I cannot see that happening.

On Monday, February 13, 2012, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:
>
> **Tuesday, 14 February 2012**
>
> 05:00 UTC
> London ? Tues 05:00
> Berlin ? Tues 06:00
> Vienna ? Tues 06:00
> Washington ? Tues 00:00
> Des Moines ? Tues 00:00
> Atlanta ? Tues 00:00
> Los Angeles ? Mon 21:00
> Honolulu ? Mon 19:00
> Sydney ? Tues 16:00
> Moscow ? Tues 09:00
> Lahore ? Tues 10:00
> Sao Paolo ? Tues 03:00
>
>
> Please check your local time at:
>
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05
>
> PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #
>
> Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/
> Dial-in numbers:
> Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your
countries of residence.
> Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available
at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/
>
> Australia1 800 009 820
> 1 800 036 775
> Sydney  T       +61 290372962
> Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
> Brisbane        T       +61 731777546
> AustriaL - 0 800 295 858
> M - 0 800 295 138
> T - +43 720 882 638
> BelgiumL - 0800 79210
> M ? 0800 79218
> T - +32 78 480 286
> BrazilL - 0800 891 1597
> M - 0800 891 1598
> T - +55 613 717 2040
> Canada1 800 550 6865
> T - +1 213 233 3193
> France0800 90 25 56
> T - +33 170618347
> GermanyL -  0800 1016 120
> G - M 0800 1016 124
> Russia8 10 8002 535 3011
> T - +7 499 650 7835
> United Kingdom0800 032 6646
> T  - +44 207 099 0867
> United States1 800 550 6865
> T  - +1 213 233 3193
>
> T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline
preferred number
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for
this call.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Very best regards
>
> Alice
> Alice E. Jansen
> --------------------------
> ICANN
> Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews
> alice.jansen at icann.org
> Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
> Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
> Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
> --------------------------
> 6, Rond Point Schuman
> B-1040 Brussels, Belgium
> --
> Alice Jansen
> Assistant, Organizational Reviews
> 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
> B-1040 Brussels
> Belgium
> Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
> Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
>
>

-- 




*
*

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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Mon Feb 13 12:21:45 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:21:45 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAKWYFsdCTDhLYoiDkB2GYTKASByow9YkNadL_uE-jXHCoW33zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB5EBB2D.162CF%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Hi Emily,

The Review Team Members who responded "yes" to the initial GAC-WHOIS doodle poll http://doodle.com/t8rwryhzxevx8z74 are:

 *   Michael
 *   Sarmad
 *   Bill
 *   James
 *   Peter
 *   Emily
 *   Kathy
 *   Seth
 *   Susan

Members, please advise as soon as possible whether you can still join the 05:00 UTC call.

Thanks,

Kind regards

Alice
--
Alice Jansen
Assistant, Organizational Reviews
6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
B-1040 Brussels
Belgium
Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
Skype: alice_jansen_icann



From: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:45:30 -0800
To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Cc: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>, Jeannie Ellers <jeannie.ellers at icann.org<mailto:jeannie.ellers at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC

All - was there any progress on scheduling an East / west time slot.  This is a truly brutal schedule for Europeans and the Americas.  I would propose that we reschedule unless we are sure of a good turnout from both sides, and I cannot see that happening.

On Monday, February 13, 2012, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>> wrote:
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:
>
> **Tuesday, 14 February 2012**
>
> 05:00 UTC
> London ? Tues 05:00
> Berlin ? Tues 06:00
> Vienna ? Tues 06:00
> Washington ? Tues 00:00
> Des Moines ? Tues 00:00
> Atlanta ? Tues 00:00
> Los Angeles ? Mon 21:00
> Honolulu ? Mon 19:00
> Sydney ? Tues 16:00
> Moscow ? Tues 09:00
> Lahore ? Tues 10:00
> Sao Paolo ? Tues 03:00
>
>
> Please check your local time at:
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05
>
> PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #
>
> Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/
> Dial-in numbers:
> Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence.
> Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/
>
> Australia1 800 009 820
> 1 800 036 775
> Sydney  T       +61 290372962
> Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
> Brisbane        T       +61 731777546
> AustriaL - 0 800 295 858
> M - 0 800 295 138
> T - +43 720 882 638
> BelgiumL - 0800 79210
> M ? 0800 79218
> T - +32 78 480 286
> BrazilL - 0800 891 1597
> M - 0800 891 1598
> T - +55 613 717 2040
> Canada1 800 550 6865
> T - +1 213 233 3193
> France0800 90 25 56
> T - +33 170618347
> GermanyL -  0800 1016 120
> G - M 0800 1016 124
> Russia8 10 8002 535 3011
> T - +7 499 650 7835
> United Kingdom0800 032 6646
> T  - +44 207 099 0867
> United States1 800 550 6865
> T  - +1 213 233 3193
>
> T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Very best regards
>
> Alice
> Alice E. Jansen
> --------------------------
> ICANN
> Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews
> alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>
> Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
> Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
> Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
> --------------------------
> 6, Rond Point Schuman
> B-1040 Brussels, Belgium
> --
> Alice Jansen
> Assistant, Organizational Reviews
> 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
> B-1040 Brussels
> Belgium
> Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
> Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
>
>

--


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From m.yakushev at corp.mail.ru  Mon Feb 13 12:25:34 2012
From: m.yakushev at corp.mail.ru (Mikhail Yakushev)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:25:34 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC
In-Reply-To: <CB5EBB2D.162CF%alice.jansen@icann.org>
References: <CAKWYFsdCTDhLYoiDkB2GYTKASByow9YkNadL_uE-jXHCoW33zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB5EBB2D.162CF%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <71B38F372F86D940B9C644A99264FA313ED81C@M2EMBS1.mail.msk>

05:00 UTC = very good morning 9 am in Moscow:)
Rgds,
Michael

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:22 PM
To: Emily Taylor
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org; Jeannie Ellers
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC

Hi Emily,

The Review Team Members who responded "yes" to the initial GAC-WHOIS doodle poll http://doodle.com/t8rwryhzxevx8z74 are:

  *   Michael
  *   Sarmad
  *   Bill
  *   James
  *   Peter
  *   Emily
  *   Kathy
  *   Seth
  *   Susan
Members, please advise as soon as possible whether you can still join the 05:00 UTC call.

Thanks,

Kind regards

Alice
--
Alice Jansen
Assistant, Organizational Reviews
6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
B-1040 Brussels
Belgium
Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
Skype: alice_jansen_icann



From: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:45:30 -0800
To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Cc: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>, Jeannie Ellers <jeannie.ellers at icann.org<mailto:jeannie.ellers at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Reminder - Call with GAC

All - was there any progress on scheduling an East / west time slot.  This is a truly brutal schedule for Europeans and the Americas.  I would propose that we reschedule unless we are sure of a good turnout from both sides, and I cannot see that happening.

On Monday, February 13, 2012, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>> wrote:
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:
>
> **Tuesday, 14 February 2012**
>
> 05:00 UTC
> London - Tues 05:00
> Berlin - Tues 06:00
> Vienna - Tues 06:00
> Washington - Tues 00:00
> Des Moines - Tues 00:00
> Atlanta - Tues 00:00
> Los Angeles - Mon 21:00
> Honolulu - Mon 19:00
> Sydney - Tues 16:00
> Moscow - Tues 09:00
> Lahore - Tues 10:00
> Sao Paolo - Tues 03:00
>
>
> Please check your local time at:
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05
>
> PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #
>
> Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/
> Dial-in numbers:
> Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence.
> Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/
>
> Australia1 800 009 820
> 1 800 036 775
> Sydney  T       +61 290372962
> Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
> Brisbane        T       +61 731777546
> AustriaL - 0 800 295 858
> M - 0 800 295 138
> T - +43 720 882 638
> BelgiumL - 0800 79210
> M - 0800 79218
> T - +32 78 480 286
> BrazilL - 0800 891 1597
> M - 0800 891 1598
> T - +55 613 717 2040
> Canada1 800 550 6865
> T - +1 213 233 3193
> France0800 90 25 56
> T - +33 170618347
> GermanyL -  0800 1016 120
> G - M 0800 1016 124
> Russia8 10 8002 535 3011
> T - +7 499 650 7835
> United Kingdom0800 032 6646
> T  - +44 207 099 0867
> United States1 800 550 6865
> T  - +1 213 233 3193
>
> T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Very best regards
>
> Alice
> Alice E. Jansen
> --------------------------
> ICANN
> Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews
> alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>
> Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
> Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
> Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
> --------------------------
> 6, Rond Point Schuman
> B-1040 Brussels, Belgium
> --
> Alice Jansen
> Assistant, Organizational Reviews
> 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5
> B-1040 Brussels
> Belgium
> Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64
> Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56
> Skype: alice_jansen_icann
>
>

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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Mon Feb 13 18:08:48 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:48 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Call with GAC CONFIRMED (slides + call details)
In-Reply-To: <CB5E972B.1627E%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CB5F0C7D.16339%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Your conference call with the GAC is confirmed.
Date: Tuesday, 14 February
Time: 05:00 UTC (check your local time below or at http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05)
Bridge details: see below
Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/
Please find attached the slides that will be projected in the Adobe room. Note that these slides will be circulated to the GAC in advance.

Unfortunately Emily is unable to join the call as she is traveling. She sends her apologies and asks that Peter lead the call.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Kind regards

Alice

From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:32:11 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Cc: Jeannie Ellers <jeannie.ellers at icann.org<mailto:jeannie.ellers at icann.org>>
Subject: Reminder - Call with GAC

Dear Review Team Members,

Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:


**Tuesday, 14 February 2012**

05:00 UTC

London ? Tues 05:00
Berlin ? Tues 06:00
Vienna ? Tues 06:00
Washington ? Tues 00:00
Des Moines ? Tues 00:00
Atlanta ? Tues 00:00
Los Angeles ? Mon 21:00
Honolulu ? Mon 19:00
Sydney ? Tues 16:00
Moscow ? Tues 09:00
Lahore ? Tues 10:00
Sao Paolo ? Tues 03:00



Please check your local time at:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05

PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #

Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/

Dial-in numbers:
Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence.
Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/

Australia       1 800 009 820
1 800 036 775
Sydney  T       +61 290372962
Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
Brisbane        T       +61 731777546

Austria L - 0 800 295 858
M - 0 800 295 138
T - +43 720 882 638

Belgium L - 0800 79210
M ? 0800 79218
T - +32 78 480 286

Brazil  L - 0800 891 1597
M - 0800 891 1598
T - +55 613 717 2040

Canada  1 800 550 6865
T - +1 213 233 3193

France  0800 90 25 56
T - +33 170618347

Germany L -  0800 1016 120
G - M 0800 1016 124

Russia  8 10 8002 535 3011
T - +7 499 650 7835
United Kingdom  0800 032 6646
T  - +44 207 099 0867

United States   1 800 550 6865
T  - +1 213 233 3193


T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline preferred number

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call.

Thank you,

Very best regards

Alice
Alice E. Jansen
--------------------------
ICANN
Assistant, Organizational & Affirmation Reviews
alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>
Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
Skype: alice_jansen_icann
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From denise.michel at icann.org  Mon Feb 13 18:09:50 2012
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:09:50 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call with
	ICANN Staff
Message-ID: <CAPcHvQGv=uYR7KhczKHZ+9HWqbeBW3NVXgbiAyq4tXi1ftJf7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Team Members,

We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll
today:
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.

As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.

In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
(relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve
questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
discussion/attention on the call.

Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.

Regards,
Denise



Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org" <
rt4-whois at icann.org>


Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot
for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
 http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by *Monday, 13
February ? end of your business day*.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
-- 
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is
needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require
more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
(perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would
be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct
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From susank at fb.com  Mon Feb 13 19:17:14 2012
From: susank at fb.com (Susan Kawaguchi)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:17:14 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CAPcHvQGv=uYR7KhczKHZ+9HWqbeBW3NVXgbiAyq4tXi1ftJf7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB5E9EDF.11DCB%skawaguchi@fb.com>

Hello All,

I would encourage all those who haven't had the time to respond to the Doodle poll to do so as quickly as possible.

This is a rare opportunity to talk to Staff members and we want to make sure we take every opportunity to explain our thought process and work together and clarify our recommendations.

I will definitely be available for the call and I am hoping we do not miss this opportunity I would like to start a productive discussion with many of us that are available.

Thanks!

Susan Kawaguchi
Domain Name Manager
Facebook Legal Dept.

Phone - 650 485-6064

From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:09:50 -0800
To: <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call with ICANN Staff

Dear Team Members,

We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll today:
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.

As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.

In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most discussion/attention on the call.

Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.

Regards,
Denise



Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>


Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February ? end of your business day.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
--
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072<tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
+1.310.578.8632<tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct

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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Mon Feb 13 19:19:52 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CAPcHvQGv=uYR7KhczKHZ+9HWqbeBW3NVXgbiAyq4tXi1ftJf7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPcHvQGv=uYR7KhczKHZ+9HWqbeBW3NVXgbiAyq4tXi1ftJf7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>

Hi Denise,
I hope all is well, and not as cold in LA as in DC.  I wanted to share 
that I am a little surprised by what is taking place here. I can't 
imagine having a meeting with ICANN Staff, particularly Compliance, 
without our Team chair, and the Compliance lead (both Emily).

I think it would be better for you, Emily and I to hold a meeting first, 
and organize the meeting with ICANN staff and the Whois Review Team 
together.

Let's postpone the meeting for 2/15, and if provide us with a list of 
ICANN staff availability, we'll work on rescheduling...

Best,
Kathy
:
> Dear Team Members,
>
> We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle 
> poll today:
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>
> As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several 
> critical items as we work through the potential implementation 
> challenges.
>
> In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy 
> Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations 
> (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to 
> resolve questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require 
> the most discussion/attention on the call.
>
> Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Alice Jansen* <alice.jansen at icann.org 
> <mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
> Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
> Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report 
> Recommendations
> To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org 
> <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org 
> <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org 
> <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
>
>
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a 
> doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient 
> slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>
> We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very 
> grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by *Monday, 13 
> February -- end of your business day*.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alice
> -- 
> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org 
> <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org 
> <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" 
> <rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report 
> recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is 
> needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that 
> require more consideration.
>
> At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an 
> informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of 
> the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and 
> discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear 
> understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the 
> potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
>
> If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It 
> would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
> +1.408.429.3072 <tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 <tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois


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From susank at fb.com  Mon Feb 13 19:27:53 2012
From: susank at fb.com (Susan Kawaguchi)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:27:53 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CB5EA325.11DEF%skawaguchi@fb.com>

I completely disagree.   It would be preferred if Emily could be on the call but it is a rare opportunity to talk directly to the staff and I think we should take this opportunity to do so with as many of the team as possible.    Bill, James and I met with the Compiance team in July and reported back so we have a precedent here.

With the Costa Rica meeting only 4 weeks away I think we need to be available as much as possible.  I realize what a burden that is for you and Emily and fully appreciate the time and workload you have both spent on the team.
I am available for the 2/15 meeting and hoping others can be too.

What if we do a preliminary meeting on Wed and then schedule a follow up when you and Emily are available?

I do not want to lose our momentum.


Susan Kawaguchi
Domain Name Manager
Facebook Legal Dept.

Phone - 650 485-6064

From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:19:52 -0500
To: <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call with ICANN Staff

Hi Denise,
I hope all is well, and not as cold in LA as in DC.  I wanted to share that I am a little surprised by what is taking place here. I can't imagine having a meeting with ICANN Staff, particularly Compliance, without our Team chair, and the Compliance lead (both Emily).

I think it would be better for you, Emily and I to hold a meeting first, and organize the meeting with ICANN staff and the Whois Review Team together.

Let's postpone the meeting for 2/15, and if provide us with a list of ICANN staff availability, we'll work on rescheduling...

Best,
Kathy
:
Dear Team Members,

We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll today:
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.

As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.

In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most discussion/attention on the call.

Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.

Regards,
Denise



Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>


Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February ? end of your business day.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
--
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072<tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
+1.310.578.8632<tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct




_______________________________________________
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From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Mon Feb 13 19:28:40 2012
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:28:40 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>
References: <CAPcHvQGv=uYR7KhczKHZ+9HWqbeBW3NVXgbiAyq4tXi1ftJf7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CAD48TT8ZgEcx_7Ke=FYJcQUm0oV7Sms4KWE9MNcKsnNwA0Nsng@mail.gmail.com>

Agree with Kathy. Besides there's no urgency to mantain this day, I guess.

Omar


2012/2/13 Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>:
> Hi Denise,
> I hope all is well, and not as cold in LA as in DC.? I wanted to share that
> I am a little surprised by what is taking place here. I can't imagine having
> a meeting with ICANN Staff, particularly Compliance, without our Team chair,
> and the Compliance lead (both Emily).
>
> I think it would be better for you, Emily and I to hold a meeting first, and
> organize the meeting with ICANN staff and the Whois Review Team together.
>
> Let's postpone the meeting for 2/15, and if provide us with a list of ICANN
> staff availability, we'll work on rescheduling...
>
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll
> today:
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>
> As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
> items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.
>
> In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
> Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
> (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services). ?Although we'd like to resolve
> questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
> discussion/attention on the call.
>
> Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
> Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
> Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
> To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org"
> <rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
> doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot
> for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>
> We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
> grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February
> ? end of your business day.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alice
> --
> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
> recommendations. ?We have a number of items for which?clarification is
> needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more
> consideration.
>
> At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
> conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
> (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
> recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
> the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
> implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
>
> If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details. ?It would
> be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>



From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Mon Feb 13 19:36:44 2012
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:36:44 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CB5EA325.11DEF%skawaguchi@fb.com>
References: <4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>
	<CB5EA325.11DEF%skawaguchi@fb.com>
Message-ID: <CAD48TT8+wJ9vMDXns7raqoXUO7emnhxJmJht5MuGmeEP-poaZA@mail.gmail.com>

Agree with the momentum if the staff can't be reached again this week.

Omar


2012/2/13 Susan Kawaguchi <susank at fb.com>:
> I completely disagree. ? It would be preferred if Emily could be on the call
> but it is a rare opportunity to talk directly to the staff and I think we
> should take this opportunity to do so with as many of the team as possible.
> ? ?Bill, James and I met with the Compiance team in July and reported back
> so we have a precedent here.
>
> With the Costa Rica meeting only 4 weeks away I think we need to be
> available as much as possible. ?I realize what a burden that is for you and
> Emily and fully appreciate the time and workload you have both spent on the
> team.
> I am available for the 2/15 meeting and hoping others can be too.
>
> What if we do a preliminary meeting on Wed and then schedule a follow up
> when you and Emily are available?
>
> I do not want to lose our momentum.
>
>
> Susan Kawaguchi
> Domain Name Manager
> Facebook Legal Dept.
>
> Phone - 650 485-6064
>
>
> From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:19:52 -0500
> To: <rt4-whois at icann.org>, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
> with ICANN Staff
>
> Hi Denise,
> I hope all is well, and not as cold in LA as in DC.? I wanted to share that
> I am a little surprised by what is taking place here. I can't imagine having
> a meeting with ICANN Staff, particularly Compliance, without our Team chair,
> and the Compliance lead (both Emily).
>
> I think it would be better for you, Emily and I to hold a meeting first, and
> organize the meeting with ICANN staff and the Whois Review Team together.
>
> Let's postpone the meeting for 2/15, and if provide us with a list of ICANN
> staff availability, we'll work on rescheduling...
>
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll
> today:
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>
> As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
> items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.
>
> In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
> Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
> (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services). ?Although we'd like to resolve
> questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
> discussion/attention on the call.
>
> Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
> Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
> Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
> To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org"
> <rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
> doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot
> for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>
> We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
> grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February
> ? end of your business day.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alice
> --
> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
> recommendations. ?We have a number of items for which?clarification is
> needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more
> consideration.
>
> At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
> conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
> (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
> recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
> the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
> implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
>
> If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details. ?It would
> be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>



From Heather.Dryden at ic.gc.ca  Mon Feb 13 20:25:08 2012
From: Heather.Dryden at ic.gc.ca (Heather.Dryden at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:25:08 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Call tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAKWYFse+BvY-6ZOMmLk82JfhQhvzxO1de2nyYnZMW-ikA7wQKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD4F111D2074914097F3C792858B9055036D9416@MSG-MB-01.icent.ic.gc.ca>

Thanks Emily and thanks to Kathy for taking this up with Peter.

Safe travels to the U.S. Emily,
Heather
 

From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 03:22 PM
To: Dryden, Heather: SPS 
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org <rt4-whois at icann.org> 
Subject: Call tomorrow 
 

Dear Heather

My apologies for tomorrow's call.  Unfortunately, it is very early in UK, and I am travelling to the States that day.  The Review Team's Vice Chair, Kathy Kleiman, and the GAC's own Peter Nettlefold will lead the call very ably, and I look forward to our continued interactions with the GAC in Costa Rica. 

Kind regards

Emily


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From emily at emilytaylor.eu  Mon Feb 13 20:20:17 2012
From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:20:17 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
 with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CAD48TT8+wJ9vMDXns7raqoXUO7emnhxJmJht5MuGmeEP-poaZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F396258.8070703@kathykleiman.com>
	<CB5EA325.11DEF%skawaguchi@fb.com>
	<CAD48TT8+wJ9vMDXns7raqoXUO7emnhxJmJht5MuGmeEP-poaZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKWYFsfnfTkjS62bX4u6eDiogT_-TREMAoXxDQjoP_fggC9m_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Thanks for your responses to the doodle poll.  I agree with Susan and
others who have expressed the wish to take this opportunity to talk with
ICANN staff.  I would also like to be on the call but am comfortable for
others in the team to take the opportunity and then follow up.  I think
what Kathy was reacting to was the rather late notice and lack of choice
about potential slots, not questioning the importance of interacting with
staff.

Susan, Bill and James did a great job in the summer, and I will look
forward to hearing how this call went.  I think Susan's idea of a follow-up
call as necessary is a good one.

Kind regards

Emily
On 13 February 2012 19:36, Omar Kaminski <omar at kaminski.adv.br> wrote:

> Agree with the momentum if the staff can't be reached again this week.
>
> Omar
>
>
> 2012/2/13 Susan Kawaguchi <susank at fb.com>:
> > I completely disagree.   It would be preferred if Emily could be on the
> call
> > but it is a rare opportunity to talk directly to the staff and I think we
> > should take this opportunity to do so with as many of the team as
> possible.
> >    Bill, James and I met with the Compiance team in July and reported
> back
> > so we have a precedent here.
> >
> > With the Costa Rica meeting only 4 weeks away I think we need to be
> > available as much as possible.  I realize what a burden that is for you
> and
> > Emily and fully appreciate the time and workload you have both spent on
> the
> > team.
> > I am available for the 2/15 meeting and hoping others can be too.
> >
> > What if we do a preliminary meeting on Wed and then schedule a follow up
> > when you and Emily are available?
> >
> > I do not want to lose our momentum.
> >
> >
> > Susan Kawaguchi
> > Domain Name Manager
> > Facebook Legal Dept.
> >
> > Phone - 650 485-6064
> >
> >
> > From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:19:52 -0500
> > To: <rt4-whois at icann.org>, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Team call
> > with ICANN Staff
> >
> > Hi Denise,
> > I hope all is well, and not as cold in LA as in DC.  I wanted to share
> that
> > I am a little surprised by what is taking place here. I can't imagine
> having
> > a meeting with ICANN Staff, particularly Compliance, without our Team
> chair,
> > and the Compliance lead (both Emily).
> >
> > I think it would be better for you, Emily and I to hold a meeting first,
> and
> > organize the meeting with ICANN staff and the Whois Review Team together.
> >
> > Let's postpone the meeting for 2/15, and if provide us with a list of
> ICANN
> > staff availability, we'll work on rescheduling...
> >
> > Best,
> > Kathy
> > :
> >
> > Dear Team Members,
> >
> > We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle
> poll
> > today:
> > http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
> >
> > As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
> > items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.
> >
> > In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
> > Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
> > (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to
> resolve
> > questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
> > discussion/attention on the call.
> >
> > Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Denise
> >
> >
> >
> > Denise Michel
> > ICANN
> > Advisor to the President & CEO
> > denise.michel at icann.org
> > +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> > +1.310.578.8632 direct
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
> > Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report
> Recommendations
> > To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org"
> > <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> >
> >
> > Dear Review Team Members,
> >
> > With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
> > doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient
> slot
> > for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
> > http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
> >
> > We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
> > grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13
> February
> > ? end of your business day.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Alice
> > --
> > From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> > Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
> > To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> > Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
> >
> > Dear Team Members,
> >
> > I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
> > recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is
> > needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require
> more
> > consideration.
> >
> > At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
> > conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
> > (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
> > recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
> > the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
> > implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
> >
> > If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It
> would
> > be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Denise
> >
> > Denise Michel
> > ICANN
> > Advisor to the President & CEO
> > denise.michel at icann.org
> > +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> > +1.310.578.8632 direct
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rt4-whois mailing list
> > Rt4-whois at icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list
> > Rt4-whois at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rt4-whois mailing list
> > Rt4-whois at icann.org
> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
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From emily at emilytaylor.eu  Mon Feb 13 20:22:07 2012
From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:22:07 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Call tomorrow
Message-ID: <CAKWYFse+BvY-6ZOMmLk82JfhQhvzxO1de2nyYnZMW-ikA7wQKg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Heather

My apologies for tomorrow's call.  Unfortunately, it is very early in UK,
and I am travelling to the States that day.  The Review Team's Vice Chair,
Kathy Kleiman, and the GAC's own Peter Nettlefold will lead the call very
ably, and I look forward to our continued interactions with the GAC in
Costa Rica.

Kind regards

Emily

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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Tue Feb 14 04:56:37 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:56:37 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Fwd:  Call with GAC CONFIRMED (slides + call details)
In-Reply-To: <CB5F0C7D.16339%alice.jansen@icann.org>
References: <CB5F0C7D.16339%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <4F39E985.8090608@kathykleiman.com>

Hi All,
Recirculating the information for whoever will be joining us on this 
call momentarily....
Best,
Kathy

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Rt4-whois] Call with GAC CONFIRMED (slides + call details)
Date: 	Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:48 -0800
From: 	Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
To: 	rt4-whois at icann.org <rt4-whois at icann.org>
CC: 	Jeannie Ellers <jeannie.ellers at icann.org>



Dear Review Team Members,

Your conference call with the GAC is confirmed.
Date: Tuesday, 14 February
Time: 05:00 UTC (check your local time below or at 
*_http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05 
<http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05>_*)
Bridge details: see below
Adobe room: _*http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/*_
Please find attached the slides that will be projected in the Adobe 
room. Note that these slides will be circulated to the GAC in advance.

Unfortunately Emily is unable to join the call as she is traveling. She 
sends her apologies and asks that Peter lead the call.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Kind regards

Alice

From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org <mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:32:11 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" 
<rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Cc: Jeannie Ellers <jeannie.ellers at icann.org 
<mailto:jeannie.ellers at icann.org>>
Subject: Reminder - Call with GAC

Dear Review Team Members,
Your conference call with the GAC is scheduled for:

***Tuesday, 14 February **2012*****
*05:00 UTC*
*
*
*London ? Tues 05:00*
*Berlin ? Tues 06:00*
*Vienna ? Tues 06:00*
*Washington ? Tues 00:00*
*Des Moines ? Tues 00:00 *
*Atlanta ? Tues 00:00*
*Los Angeles ? Mon 21:00*
*Honolulu ? Mon 19:00*
*Sydney ? Tues 16:00*
*Moscow **? Tues 09:00*
*Lahore ? Tues 10:00*
*Sao Paolo ? Tues 03:00*
*
*
*
*
/Please check your local time at/:
*_http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05 
<http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-GAC&iso=20120214T05>
_*
_
_
PASSWORD: *27318 **followed by **# *
_*Adobe room*_*: *_*http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/*_

_*Dial-in numbers:*_
Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your 
countries of residence.
Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is 
available at: _*http://www.adigo.com/icann/*_
*Australia* 	1 800 009 820
1 800 036 775
Sydney  T       +61 290372962
Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
Brisbane        T       +61 731777546
*Austria* 	L - 0 800 295 858
M - 0 800 295 138
T - +43 720 882 638
*Belgium* 	L - 0800 79210
M ? 0800 79218
T - +32 78 480 286
*Brazil* 	L - 0800 891 1597
M - 0800 891 1598
T - +55 613 717 2040
*Canada* 	1 800 550 6865
T - +1 213 233 3193
*France* 	0800 90 25 56
T - +33 170618347
*Germany* 	L -  0800 1016 120
G - M 0800 1016 124
*Russia* 	8 10 8002 535 3011
T - +7 499 650 7835
*United Kingdom* 	0800 032 6646
T  - +44 207 099 0867
*United States* 	1 800 550 6865
T  - +1 213 233 3193

/T ? local toll number ; M ? mobile preferred number ; L ? landline 
preferred number/
Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for 
this call.
Thank you,
Very best regards
Alice
Alice E. Jansen
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Direct Dial: +32.2.234.78.64
Mobile: +32.4.73.31.76.56
Office Fax: +32.2.234.78.48
Skype: alice_jansen_icann
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Tue Feb 14 05:39:05 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] quick summary of GAC-WRT Meeting
Message-ID: <4F39F379.1020006@kathykleiman.com>

Hi All,
Quick summary of the GAC-Whois Review Team meeting. Peter did a great 
presentation, and Emily's slides worked very well, but it was a very 
quiet call (no questions) and sparsely attended (by GAC).

So perhaps another meeting with GAC, at a different time, would be good. 
Or perhaps we wait for the Public Forum and GAC meetings in Costa Rica...

Good night from DC!
Kathy

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From lgoodendorf at versprite.com  Tue Feb 14 11:54:20 2012
From: lgoodendorf at versprite.com (Lynn Goodendorf)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:54:20 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] quick summary of GAC-WRT Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4F39F379.1020006@kathykleiman.com>
References: <4F39F379.1020006@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <0556BB5BB3ED614D9261441DC56B1AB50E906783@GQ-EXCH002.greenqube.local>

Thanks Kathy for the update.



________________________________
From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Kathy Kleiman [kathy at kathykleiman.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:39 AM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: [Rt4-whois] quick summary of GAC-WRT Meeting

Hi All,
Quick summary of the GAC-Whois Review Team meeting. Peter did a great
presentation, and Emily's slides worked very well, but it was a very
quiet call (no questions) and sparsely attended (by GAC).

So perhaps another meeting with GAC, at a different time, would be good.
Or perhaps we wait for the Public Forum and GAC meetings in Costa Rica...

Good night from DC!
Kathy

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From denise.michel at icann.org  Tue Feb 14 17:32:15 2012
From: denise.michel at icann.org (Denise Michel)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:15 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board
Message-ID: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Team Members,

I have a good news and bad news.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff conference
call tomorrow.

However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so hopefully
more Team members will be able to participate.  ICANN's General Counsel and
Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations will be on the call.
 Again, our focus will be on clarifying the Team's recommendations and
discussing potential implementation paths.

Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.

We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for Feb.
27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).

Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.

Regards,
Denise


Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>wrote:

> Dear Team Members,
>
> We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle
> poll today:
> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>
> As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
> items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.
>
> In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
> Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
> (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve
> questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
> discussion/attention on the call.
>
> Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
> Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
> Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
> To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org" <
> rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
> doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot
> for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
>  http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>
> We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
> grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by *Monday, 13
> February ? end of your business day*.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alice
> --
> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
> recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is
> needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require
> more consideration.
>
> At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
> conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
> (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
> recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
> the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
> implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
>
> If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would
> be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Tue Feb 14 18:16:13 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:16:13 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] DOODLE POLL - Call with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB6060E4.16689%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Following up on Denise's notification, please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for the WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/mxck4s9cdpubvd65

We would be very grateful if you could please complete the poll by Thursday, 16 February, end of your business day.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:15 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board

Dear Team Members,

I have a good news and bad news.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff conference call tomorrow.

However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so hopefully more Team members will be able to participate.  ICANN's General Counsel and Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations will be on the call.  Again, our focus will be on clarifying the Team's recommendations and discussing potential implementation paths.

Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.

We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for Feb. 27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).

Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.

Regards,
Denise


Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072 mobile
+1.310.578.8632 direct


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Team Members,

We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll today:
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.

As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.

In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most discussion/attention on the call.

Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.

Regards,
Denise



Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072<tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
+1.310.578.8632<tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>


Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February ? end of your business day.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
--
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
Advisor to the President & CEO
denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
+1.408.429.3072<tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
+1.310.578.8632<tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct


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From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Tue Feb 14 18:53:19 2012
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:53:19 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] DOODLE POLL - Call with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CB6060E4.16689%alice.jansen@icann.org>
References: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB6060E4.16689%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAD48TT-8t0oDnh2kejojVAUr6-3j=dWR8_Q_Of_Rv-4sWL_5fw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

Sorry for missing the call today, it was 3AM and I just arrived from a
10-day working trip.

Next week will be our Carnival and national holiday til Wed 12PM. I'll
be out (of Carnival too) and I will do my best to join on Tuesday.

Omar



2012/2/14 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>:
> Dear Review Team Members,
>
> Following up on Denise's notification, please find enclosed a doodle poll
> link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for the
> WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
> http://www.doodle.com/mxck4s9cdpubvd65
>
> We would be very grateful if you could please complete the poll by?Thursday,
> 16 February, end of your business day.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alice
> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:15 -0800
> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board
>
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I have a good news and bad news.
>
> Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff conference call
> tomorrow.
>
> However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so hopefully
> more Team members will be able to participate. ?ICANN's General Counsel and
> Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations will be on the call. ?Again,
> our focus will be on clarifying the Team's recommendations and discussing
> potential implementation paths.
>
> Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.
>
> We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for Feb.
> 27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).
>
> Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Team Members,
>>
>> We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle
>> poll today:
>> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>>
>> As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical
>> items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.
>>
>> In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy
>> Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations
>> (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services). ?Although we'd like to resolve
>> questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most
>> discussion/attention on the call.
>>
>> Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise Michel
>> ICANN
>> Advisor to the President & CEO
>> denise.michel at icann.org
>> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
>> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org>
>> Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
>> Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report
>> Recommendations
>> To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>, "rt4-whois at icann.org"
>> <rt4-whois at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear Review Team Members,
>>
>> With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a
>> doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot
>> for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
>> http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>>
>> We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very
>> grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February
>> ? end of your business day.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Alice
>> --
>> From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
>> Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org>
>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
>> To: "rt4-whois at icann.org" <rt4-whois at icann.org>
>> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>>
>> Dear Team Members,
>>
>> I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
>> recommendations. ?We have a number of items for which?clarification is
>> needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more
>> consideration.
>>
>> At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal
>> conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team
>> (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the
>> recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of
>> the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential
>> implementation challenges with which we're grappling.
>>
>> If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details. ?It would
>> be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Denise
>>
>> Denise Michel
>> ICANN
>> Advisor to the President & CEO
>> denise.michel at icann.org
>> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
>> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois
>



From lutz at iks-jena.de  Wed Feb 15 12:35:41 2012
From: lutz at iks-jena.de (Lutz Donnerhacke)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:35:41 +0100
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Two issues on Whois usage
Message-ID: <20120215123541.GA6366@belenus.iks-jena.de>

Hi,

I'd like to point you to two documents which implicitly refer to WHOIS.



http://www.isc.org/files/imce/ghostdomain_camera.pdf

Problem description:
  An attacker registers a domain, set up out large TTL values, starts the
  phishing attack and removes the domain. The caching effect of the large
  TTL values results in real world usage of the domain name, while the
  registry does not have any data in the WHOIS.

  Other kinds of this attack involves domain transfers or rapid contact data
  changes.

Obvious solutions (might be wrong):
  - Hold historic data in the WHOIS servers, allow browsing the histroy.
    This requires a subtantial protocol change as well as various contact
    and policy changes.
  - Limit the change rate. This was sucessfully tried to prevent domain
    tasting. And - of course - it will not solve the problem ;-)



http://www.online-und-recht.de/urteile/Kein-urheberrechtlicher-Internet-Auskunftsanspruch-bei-statischen-IP-Adressen-21-O-9065-11-Landgericht-Muenchen-20110524.html

Problem description (an a rough translation):
  Fighting against online intellectual property misuse typically involve
  requests to the access provider to map (IP address, timestamp) pairs to
  subscriber contract details. In the cited case the court denied the right
  to obtain this information, because the IP address was statically
  assigned. So the IP address is not longer part of the call/traffic data
  record (access allowed), but part of the master data record (access denied).
  
  In order to have "easy access" to the master data record, WHOIS came into
  the discussion in various law blogs.

Obvious solutions (might be wrong):
  - IP WHOIS is considered to be a valid ressouce for law enforement as well
    as private and civil law activities. ICANN needs to be liable for all
    those kinds of law.
  - IP WHOIS is shut down in order to prevent the bypass of lawful access
    restrictions.


Thank you for reading.


From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Wed Feb 15 16:38:33 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:38:33 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board
In-Reply-To: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F3BDF89.1000508@kathykleiman.com>

Great Denise, I think a little more notice will expand our participation 
base. Tx you.

Like others, I am very much looking forward to meeting with ICANN staff, 
and appreciate the time of John Jeffrey, General Counsel, and Kurt 
Pritz, Senior VP of Stakeholder Relations -- especially valuable as the 
crunch for Costa Rica hits. I hope you will convey to them our thanks.

Best,
Kathy

:
> Dear Team Members,
>
> I have a good news and bad news.
>
> Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff 
> conference call tomorrow.
>
> However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so 
> hopefully more Team members will be able to participate.  ICANN's 
> General Counsel and Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations 
> will be on the call.  Again, our focus will be on clarifying the 
> Team's recommendations and discussing potential implementation paths.
>
> Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.
>
> We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for 
> Feb. 27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).
>
> Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.
>
> Regards,
> Denise
>
>
> Denise Michel
> ICANN
> Advisor to the President & CEO
> denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
> +1.408.429.3072 mobile
> +1.310.578.8632 direct
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Denise Michel 
> <denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Team Members,
>
>     We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this
>     doodle poll today:
>     http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.
>
>     As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several
>     critical items as we work through the potential implementation
>     challenges.
>
>     In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data
>     Accuracy Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access
>     Recommendations (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).
>      Although we'd like to resolve questions relating to each
>     Recommendation, these will require the most discussion/attention
>     on the call.
>
>     Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.
>
>     Regards,
>     Denise
>
>
>
>     Denise Michel
>     ICANN
>     Advisor to the President & CEO
>     denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
>     +1.408.429.3072 <tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
>     +1.310.578.8632 <tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct
>
>
>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     From: *Alice Jansen* <alice.jansen at icann.org
>     <mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
>     Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
>     Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report
>     Recommendations
>     To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org
>     <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org
>     <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org
>     <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
>
>
>     Dear Review Team Members,
>
>     With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find
>     enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the
>     most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
>     http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd
>
>     We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be
>     very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by
>     *Monday, 13 February -- end of your business day*.
>
>     Many thanks in advance.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Alice
>     -- 
>     From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org
>     <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
>     Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org
>     <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
>     Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
>     To: "rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>"
>     <rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
>     Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations
>
>     Dear Team Members,
>
>     I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report
>     recommendations.  We have a number of items for
>     which clarification is needed, and have identified some
>     implementation challenges that require more consideration.
>
>     At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an
>     informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a
>     sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on
>     recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would
>     enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent,
>     and give the Team insight into the potential implementation
>     challenges with which we're grappling.
>
>     If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.
>      It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.
>
>     Regards,
>     Denise
>
>     Denise Michel
>     ICANN
>     Advisor to the President & CEO
>     denise.michel at icann.org <mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>
>     +1.408.429.3072 <tel:%2B1.408.429.3072> mobile
>     +1.310.578.8632 <tel:%2B1.310.578.8632> direct
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rt4-whois mailing list
> Rt4-whois at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois


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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Thu Feb 16 10:18:33 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:18:33 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Kind reminder: DOODLE POLL - Call with ICANN Staff
In-Reply-To: <CB6060E4.16689%alice.jansen@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CB6295F7.16806%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Please be kindly reminded to complete the WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff doodle poll by today, end of your business day:
http://www.doodle.com/mxck4s9cdpubvd65

Thanks for your cooperation.

Kind regards

Alice
From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:16:13 -0800
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: DOODLE POLL - Call with ICANN Staff

Dear Review Team Members,

Following up on Denise's notification, please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for the WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/mxck4s9cdpubvd65

We would be very grateful if you could please complete the poll by Thursday, 16 February, end of your business day.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:15 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board

Dear Team Members,

I have a good news and bad news.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff conference call tomorrow.

However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so hopefully more Team members will be able to participate.  ICANN's General Counsel and Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations will be on the call.  Again, our focus will be on clarifying the Team's recommendations and discussing potential implementation paths.

Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.

We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for Feb. 27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).

Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.

Regards,
Denise


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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Team Members,

We'd appreciate it if the remaining Team members completed this doodle poll today:
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd.

As I noted, Staff needs clarification from the Team on several critical items as we work through the potential implementation challenges.

In particular, Staff has several questions regarding the Data Accuracy Recommendations (including WDRP), and the Data Access Recommendations (relating to both Privacy & Proxy Services).  Although we'd like to resolve questions relating to each Recommendation, these will require the most discussion/attention on the call.

Thanks for helping to get this on our collective schedules.

Regards,
Denise



Denise Michel
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From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen at icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen at icann.org>>
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Urgent ACTION REQUIRED - DOODLE POLL: Draft Report Recommendations
To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>, "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>


Dear Review Team Members,

With reference to Denise's request (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for this WHOIS RT-ICANN Staff call.
http://www.doodle.com/pcbnha3isb75p7sd

We would like to schedule the call this week. Hence we would be very grateful if you could please complete the doodle poll by Monday, 13 February ? end of your business day.

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Alice
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From: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:51 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft Report Recommendations

Dear Team Members,

I've had a cross-functional Staff team review the draft report recommendations.  We have a number of items for which clarification is needed, and have identified some implementation challenges that require more consideration.

At this point it would be valuable if a few Staff could have an informal conference call with the Team or, if you prefer, a sub-set of the Team (perhaps members who held the pen on recommendations?), and discuss the recommendations. This would enable Staff to have a clear understanding of the Team's intent, and give the Team insight into the potential implementation challenges with which we're grappling.

If this is amendable, I'll have Alice follow-up on call details.  It would be most helpful if we could schedule this next week.

Regards,
Denise

Denise Michel
ICANN
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From emily at emilytaylor.eu  Thu Feb 16 11:40:04 2012
From: emily at emilytaylor.eu (Emily Taylor)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:40:04 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
Message-ID: <CAKWYFsfM67cw+3Cb75XouTO8Xgqt9sXtAvd1xiE6+KO22d_3yA@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-carr/whois-reading-the-whois-r_b_1272733.html

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From jbladel at godaddy.com  Thu Feb 16 14:31:24 2012
From: jbladel at godaddy.com (James M. Bladel)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:31:24 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Thu Feb 16 14:43:50 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <20120216073124.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.cbbad74e55.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
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"I think the criticisms the report makes are devastating. They amount to 
a more or less complete indictment of ICANN's recent leadership and its 
current methods of decision-making, by which I really mean 
non-decision-making."

==>  Following up, did we really mean to sound like we were making a 
"complete indictment" of ICANN's leadership?:  I hope not. It seems to 
me that sound be corrected as well.

K:
> /"Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are 
> fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "
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> Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.
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> J.
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From Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au  Fri Feb 17 02:47:19 2012
From: Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au (Nettlefold, Peter)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:47:19 +1100
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Interesting article re registrant data verification
	[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Message-ID: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A33519F49D8@EMB01.dept.gov.au>

Hello all,

For those of you who may not have seen it, I wanted to pass on this article on WHOIS data verification.

This is something we've discussed previously, but as I recall we had trouble getting past high level comments, and discussion of implementation problems.

Given the assertions in this article, I wanted to ask if any team members have any comments or views? Does anyone know if what is suggested is technically possible - i.e. basic scripting tests?

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120216_most_abusive_domain_registrations_are_preventable/

Kind regards,

Peter


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From seth.reiss at lex-ip.com  Fri Feb 17 03:35:53 2012
From: seth.reiss at lex-ip.com (Seth M Reiss)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:35:53 -1000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Interesting article re registrant data
	verification	[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
In-Reply-To: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A33519F49D8@EMB01.dept.gov.au>
References: <636771A7F4383E408C57A0240B5F8D4A33519F49D8@EMB01.dept.gov.au>
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Garth is an active At Large participant and will be in Costa Rica.  He has
invited dialogue at least with me in the past.  I am happy to make an
introduction at any level.  I know Garth appreciates the opportunity to pose
his views and results of his research.

 

Seth

 

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On
Behalf Of Nettlefold, Peter
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:47 PM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Interesting article re registrant data verification
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

 

Hello all,

 

For those of you who may not have seen it, I wanted to pass on this article
on WHOIS data verification. 

 

This is something we've discussed previously, but as I recall we had trouble
getting past high level comments, and discussion of implementation problems.


 

Given the assertions in this article, I wanted to ask if any team members
have any comments or views? Does anyone know if what is suggested is
technically possible - i.e. basic scripting tests?

 

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120216_most_abusive_domain_registrations_are
_preventable/

 

Kind regards,

 

Peter


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From Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au  Fri Feb 17 05:10:10 2012
From: Peter.Nettlefold at dbcde.gov.au (Nettlefold, Peter)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:10:10 +1100
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
In-Reply-To: <4F3D1626.4060601@kathykleiman.com>
References: <20120216073124.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.cbbad74e55.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
	<4F3D1626.4060601@kathykleiman.com>
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Hi all,

Thanks for sending this through Emily - it's very useful to see how the draft report is being discussed and received.

I'm hoping that this and some other recent commentary reflects a growing interest in our report, and will lead to a good spread of submissions for us to consider.

Cheers,

Peter


From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012 1:44 AM
To: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article

"I think the criticisms the report makes are devastating. They amount to a more or less complete indictment of ICANN's recent leadership and its current methods of decision-making, by which I really mean non-decision-making."

==>  Following up, did we really mean to sound like we were making a "complete indictment" of ICANN's leadership?:  I hope not. It seems to me that sound be corrected as well.

K:
"Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "

Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.

J.

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Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
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Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 5:40 am
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-carr/whois-reading-the-whois-r_b_1272733.html

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From alice.jansen at icann.org  Fri Feb 17 09:59:41 2012
From: alice.jansen at icann.org (Alice Jansen)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:59:41 -0800
Subject: [Rt4-whois] PLEASE COMPLETE DOODLE - Call with Board of Directors
In-Reply-To: <CAPcHvQHrqL4xSaVG4XQM5K4vVQCq_uwiQnuWhww0B4_k9Jt=6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB63E26A.168E5%alice.jansen@icann.org>

Dear Review Team Members,

Following up on Denise's notification (see below), please find enclosed a doodle poll link which will enable us to determine the most convenient slot for the WHOIS RT-ICANN Board of Directors call.
http://www.doodle.com/iqgxi76nktkq927x

We would be very grateful if you could please complete the poll by Tuesday, 21 February, end of your business day.

Thanks,

Kind regards

Alice
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Reply-To: Denise Michel <denise.michel at icann.org<mailto:denise.michel at icann.org>>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:15 -0800
To: "rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>" <rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Team call with ICANN Staff & with ICANN Board

Dear Team Members,

I have a good news and bad news.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to go forward with the Staff conference call tomorrow.

However, we have four options for call slots early next week, so hopefully more Team members will be able to participate.  ICANN's General Counsel and Senior Vice President for Stakeholder Relations will be on the call.  Again, our focus will be on clarifying the Team's recommendations and discussing potential implementation paths.

Alice will follow-up with a doodle poll.

We also have some times held on the Board's schedule for the week for Feb. 27 to enable the Team to present the draft report (per your request).

Alice also will follow-up with a doodle poll for this call.

Regards,
Denise


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From jbladel at godaddy.com  Fri Feb 17 14:07:56 2012
From: jbladel at godaddy.com (James M. Bladel)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois]
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Fri Feb 17 16:19:14 2012
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:19:14 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <4F3D1626.4060601@kathykleiman.com>
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This is one person's opinion.

I happen to like John's writing style but hasten to point out that hyperbole is part of the attraction.

On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:43 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

"I think the criticisms the report makes are devastating. They amount to a more or less complete indictment of ICANN's recent leadership and its current methods of decision-making, by which I really mean non-decision-making."

==>  Following up, did we really mean to sound like we were making a "complete indictment" of ICANN's leadership?:  I hope not. It seems to me that sound be corrected as well.

K:
"Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "

Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.

J.

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Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Fri Feb 17 17:49:45 2012
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:49:45 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <20120216073124.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.cbbad74e55.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
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James,

I'm struggling to understand how our report is false. On Page 80 & 81 we write:

As discussed in Chapter 6, in January 2009/10, ICANN published a study conducted by the National Opinion Research Council of the University of Chicago (NORC) that had been commissioned in 2009 by ICANN to obtain a baseline measurement of what proportion of WHOIS records are accurate. Examining an internationally representative sample of 1419 records, the Study found that, based on a strict application of the criteria, only 23% of records were fully accurate, though roughly twice that number met a slightly relaxed version of the criteria. The study also found that 21.6% of data was not sufficient for the registrant to be located, with either missing or deliberately false information.

Our report makes a factual reference to an ICANN-sponsored study. Based on the criteria established, the study found "only 23% were fully accurate". Doing the math results in Carr's assertion.

Of course there are other ways to interpret the data, for example; "Assuming 220 million domains names, the study suggests that nearly 48 million registrations lack sufficient information in their WHOIS records to locate the registrant".

There are risks associated with extrapolating from a study employing a sample of a set. That is well known but studies like the NORC one are commonly employed to discern the scale of problems. The NORC study when combined with anecdotal evidence from Law Enforcement and others suggests that inaccuracy is a significant problem. I am unaware of evidence to the contrary.

I also struggle with a requirement that our report, or we as a group need to dispel individual statements or perceptions of others. If we adopt that as an operating principle, I submit that we will spend considerable time in an unproductive activity.

Bill


On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:31 AM, James M. Bladel wrote:

"Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "

Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.

J.

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From jbladel at godaddy.com  Fri Feb 17 18:04:11 2012
From: jbladel at godaddy.com (James M. Bladel)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Fri Feb 17 19:36:13 2012
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:36:13 -0500
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <20120217110411.9c1b16d3983f34082b49b9baf8cec04a.42145d6e4f.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>
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I agree that we have to correct things that leave readers with a 
misimpression (whether or not it's our fault or intent).

There are other calls for our report to be more specific (see e.g., 
Steve Crocker's comments to our draft report).  I think this may be 
refrain we hear in Costa Rica....

Best,
Kathy

:
> The language in our report is correct.  The article, however, leaves 
> the reader with the impression that 170 million domain names have 
> WHOIS information that makes them uncontactable.
>
> J.
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
>     From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com
>     <mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>>
>     Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 11:49 am
>     To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com
>     <mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>>
>     Cc: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu
>     <mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>, "<rt4-whois at icann.org
>     <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>"
>     <rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>
>
>     James,
>
>     I'm struggling to understand how our report is false. On Page 80 &
>     81 we write:
>
>     As discussed in Chapter 6, in January 2009/10, ICANN published a
>     study conducted by the National Opinion Research Council of the
>     University of Chicago (NORC) that had been commissioned in 2009 by
>     ICANN to obtain a baseline measurement of what proportion of WHOIS
>     records are accurate. Examining an internationally representative
>     sample of 1419 records, the Study found that, based on a strict
>     application of the criteria, only 23% of records were fully
>     accurate, though roughly twice that number met a slightly relaxed
>     version of the criteria. The study also found that 21.6% of data
>     was not sufficient for the registrant to be located, with either
>     missing or deliberately false information.
>
>     Our report makes a factual reference to an ICANN-sponsored study.
>     Based on the criteria established, the study found "only 23% were
>     fully accurate". Doing the math results in Carr's assertion.
>
>     Of course there are other ways to interpret the data, for example;
>     "Assuming 220 million domains names, the study suggests that
>     nearly 48 million registrations lack sufficient information in
>     their WHOIS records to locate the registrant".
>
>     There are risks associated with extrapolating from a study
>     employing a sample of a set. That is well known but studies like
>     the NORC one are commonly employed to discern the scale of
>     problems. The NORC study when combined with anecdotal evidence
>     from Law Enforcement and others suggests that inaccuracy is a
>     significant problem. I am unaware of evidence to the contrary.
>
>     I also struggle with a requirement that our report, or we as a
>     group need to dispel individual statements or perceptions of
>     others. If we adopt that as an operating principle, I submit that
>     we will spend considerable time in an unproductive activity.
>
>     Bill
>
>
>     On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:31 AM, James M. Bladel wrote:
>
>     "Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are
>     fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "
>
>     Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this
>     falsehood.
>
>     J.
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
>     From: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu
>     <mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>><mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>
>     Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 5:40 am
>     To: rt4-whois at icann.org
>     <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org><mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
>     http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-carr/whois-reading-the-whois-r_b_1272733.html
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From omar at kaminski.adv.br  Fri Feb 17 19:57:09 2012
From: omar at kaminski.adv.br (Omar Kaminski)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:57:09 -0200
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <4F3EAC2D.4050008@kathykleiman.com>
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The article attacks the lack of accuracy.

"The cops are absolutely categorical. In approaching 100% of the cases
where they have to begin a criminal investigation into anything at all
involving a dodgy web site the name and address of the owner of the
site shown in WHOIS will be false or inaccessible because it is hidden
within proxy or privacy services which have grown up willy nilly"

As I said before, our NIC.br connects br domains with official
identity numbers both for companies and individuals - so if in theory
you lie you're commiting a fraud by law like false identity. Yes, it's
almost impossible in short term to do it in a global environment
(passport numbers?). Otherwise we must stick with the owners' good
faith or worst, expect more liability for the registrars.

Omar


2012/2/17 Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>:
> I agree that we have to correct things that leave readers with a
> misimpression (whether or not it's our fault or intent).
>
> There are other calls for our report to be more specific (see e.g., Steve
> Crocker's comments to our draft report).? I think this may be refrain we
> hear in Costa Rica....
>
> Best,
> Kathy
>
> :
>
> The language in our report is correct.? The article, however, leaves the
> reader with the impression that 170 million domain names have WHOIS
> information that makes them uncontactable.
>
> J.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
> From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>
> Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 11:49 am
> To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Cc: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu>, "<rt4-whois at icann.org>"
> <rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
> James,
>
> I'm struggling to understand how our report is false. On Page 80 & 81 we
> write:
>
> As discussed in Chapter 6, in January 2009/10, ICANN published a study
> conducted by the National Opinion Research Council of the University of
> Chicago (NORC) that had been commissioned in 2009 by ICANN to obtain a
> baseline measurement of what proportion of WHOIS records are accurate.
> Examining an internationally representative sample of 1419 records, the
> Study found that, based on a strict application of the criteria, only 23% of
> records were fully accurate, though roughly twice that number met a slightly
> relaxed version of the criteria. The study also found that 21.6% of data was
> not sufficient for the registrant to be located, with either missing or
> deliberately false information.
>
> Our report makes a factual reference to an ICANN-sponsored study. Based on
> the criteria established, the study found "only 23% were fully accurate".
> Doing the math results in Carr's assertion.
>
> Of course there are other ways to interpret the data, for example; "Assuming
> 220 million domains names, the study suggests that nearly 48 million
> registrations lack sufficient information in their WHOIS records to locate
> the registrant".
>
> There are risks associated with extrapolating from a study employing a
> sample of a set. That is well known but studies like the NORC one are
> commonly employed to discern the scale of problems. The NORC study when
> combined with anecdotal evidence from Law Enforcement and others suggests
> that inaccuracy is a significant problem. I am unaware of evidence to the
> contrary.
>
> I also struggle with a requirement that our report, or we as a group need to
> dispel individual statements or perceptions of others. If we adopt that as
> an operating principle, I submit that we will spend considerable time in an
> unproductive activity.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:31 AM, James M. Bladel wrote:
>
> "Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are fully
> accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "
>
> Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.
>
> J.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
> From: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu><mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>
> Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 5:40 am
> To: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-carr/whois-reading-the-whois-r_b_1272733.html
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From bill.smith at paypal-inc.com  Fri Feb 17 23:16:34 2012
From: bill.smith at paypal-inc.com (Smith, Bill)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:16:34 +0000
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
In-Reply-To: <4F3EAC2D.4050008@kathykleiman.com>
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Again, I don't think it the responsibility of this group to correct individual perceptions, mis or not. If we see compelling evidence that a substantial number of readers have come to a conclusion that is not supported by our report, we might choose to modify the report or make a clarifying statement.

Other than Steve's call, who is asking for more specificity?

On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:

I agree that we have to correct things that leave readers with a misimpression (whether or not it's our fault or intent).

There are other calls for our report to be more specific (see e.g., Steve Crocker's comments to our draft report).  I think this may be refrain we hear in Costa Rica....

Best,
Kathy

:
The language in our report is correct.  The article, however, leaves the reader with the impression that 170 million domain names have WHOIS information that makes them uncontactable.

J.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith at paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith at paypal-inc.com>>
Date: Fri, February 17, 2012 11:49 am
To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>>
Cc: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>, "<rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>"
<rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>>

James,

I'm struggling to understand how our report is false. On Page 80 & 81 we write:

As discussed in Chapter 6, in January 2009/10, ICANN published a study conducted by the National Opinion Research Council of the University of Chicago (NORC) that had been commissioned in 2009 by ICANN to obtain a baseline measurement of what proportion of WHOIS records are accurate. Examining an internationally representative sample of 1419 records, the Study found that, based on a strict application of the criteria, only 23% of records were fully accurate, though roughly twice that number met a slightly relaxed version of the criteria. The study also found that 21.6% of data was not sufficient for the registrant to be located, with either missing or deliberately false information.

Our report makes a factual reference to an ICANN-sponsored study. Based on the criteria established, the study found "only 23% were fully accurate". Doing the math results in Carr's assertion.

Of course there are other ways to interpret the data, for example; "Assuming 220 million domains names, the study suggests that nearly 48 million registrations lack sufficient information in their WHOIS records to locate the registrant".

There are risks associated with extrapolating from a study employing a sample of a set. That is well known but studies like the NORC one are commonly employed to discern the scale of problems. The NORC study when combined with anecdotal evidence from Law Enforcement and others suggests that inaccuracy is a significant problem. I am unaware of evidence to the contrary.

I also struggle with a requirement that our report, or we as a group need to dispel individual statements or perceptions of others. If we adopt that as an operating principle, I submit that we will spend considerable time in an unproductive activity.

Bill


On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:31 AM, James M. Bladel wrote:

"Out of a current total of 220 million domain names only 23% are fully accurate. 50 million are OK. 170 million are not. "

Our final report needs to do a better job of dispelling this falsehood.

J.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Rt4-whois] Huffington Post article
From: Emily Taylor <emily at emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>><mailto:emily at emilytaylor.eu>>
Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 5:40 am
To: rt4-whois at icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org><mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-carr/whois-reading-the-whois-r_b_1272733.html

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