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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Good afternoon <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I am trying to join Call (IT issues my end I suspect) but wanted to thank Susan for this; think it really important that 25.3 is retained; and that as long as there is transparency such applications
 should be allowed; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nigel <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt-bounces@icann.org> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Susan Payne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 30, 2024 1:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com>; Next Round Policy Implementation <NextRound_PolicyImplementation@icann.org>; subpro-irt@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SubPro-IRT] RZ-LGR Draft Text<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Anne.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would add that the SubPro Final Report itself gives a clear explanation of the intentions behind Implementation Guidance, which can be found in the Preamble, page 3:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Implementation Guidance</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">: The Working Group strongly recommends
 the stated action, with a strong<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>presumption<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>that<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>it<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>will<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>be<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>implemented,<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>but<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>recognizes that there<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>may<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>exist<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>valid<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>reasons in<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>particular<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>circumstances to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>not<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>take the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>recommended<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>action exactly<span style="letter-spacing:.25pt"> </span>as described.<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>However,<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>party<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt"> </span>to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>whom<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>action<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt"> </span>is directed<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>must<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>make<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>all<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>efforts to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>achieve<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>purpose<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>behind<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>recommended<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>action<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>(as expressed<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>in<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>rationale<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>and<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt">
</span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>recommendation<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>which<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt">
</span>the implementation guidance<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>is linked,<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>if<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>applicable)<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>even<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>if<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>done<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>through<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>a<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>different<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>course.<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>In<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>all<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>cases,<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>full<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>implications must<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>be<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>understood<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>and<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt">
</span>carefully<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>weighed<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>before<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>choosing<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>a<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>different<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>course.<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>Implementation<span style="letter-spacing:.2pt">
</span>guidance<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>commonly<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>refers to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span><b>how<span style="letter-spacing:-.25pt">
</span></b>a<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>recommendation<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>should be<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>implemented.<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>Implementation guidance<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>typically<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>uses the<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>term<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>“should”<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>indicating<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>that<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">
</span>Working<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>Group<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt">
</span>expects the action<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>to<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>take<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>place,<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>noting<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>the caveats above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This is of course relevant to our upcoming discussion of the section on the
</span>Root Zone Label Generation Rules, specifically paragraph 2.1 which proposes that applicants will not be permitted to submit an application for a string if its script has not yet been integrated in the RZ-LGR, and which diverges from SubPro Implementation
 Guidance 25.3, and its accompanying rationale:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<a name="a._Recommendations_and/or_implementation"></a><a name="_bookmark0"></a><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Implementation Guidance 25.3</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">:
 If a script is not yet integrated into the RZ-LGR, applicants should be<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>able<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>to apply for a<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>string<span style="letter-spacing:.5pt"> </span>in that script, and it<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>should be processed up to but<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>not including contracting. Applicants under such circumstances should be<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>warned of the<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>possibility that<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>the<span style="letter-spacing:.5pt"> </span>applied-for string may<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>never be<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>delegated and they will<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>be<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>responsible<span style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">
</span>for any additional evaluation <span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">costs.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;letter-spacing:-.1pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a name="b._Deliberations_and_rationale_for_recom"></a><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rationale</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">:
 …While the Working Group is fully supportive of requiring IDN TLDs to comply with RZ-LGR, it’s cognizant<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>that<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>this may impact<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>potential applicants who want<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>to apply for<span style="letter-spacing:.25pt">
</span>an application<span style="letter-spacing:.2pt"> </span>in a<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>script<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>that<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>is not<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>yet<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>integrated<span style="letter-spacing:.2pt"> </span>into the<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>RZ-LGR. The Working<span style="letter-spacing:.2pt"> </span>Group believes that applicants should be<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>provided the<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>opportunity to<span style="letter-spacing:.2pt">
</span>apply for a<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>string in a<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>script that<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>is not<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>yet<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>integrated into the<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
</span>RZ-LGR, and it<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>should be<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is difficult to see, without further explanation from the staff team, how paragraph 2.1 achieves the purpose behind the recommended action in SubPro 25.3, bearing in mind that the SubPro WG had
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> SubPro-IRT <<a href="mailto:subpro-irt-bounces@icann.org">subpro-irt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anne ICANN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Next Round Policy Implementation <<a href="mailto:NextRound_PolicyImplementation@icann.org">NextRound_PolicyImplementation@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:subpro-irt@icann.org">subpro-irt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [SubPro-IRT] Post call | SubPro IRT Meeting #25 | 23 January 2024<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Lars and all IRT Team Members,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Further to our discussion this past Tuesday, I am pasting below the language from Council's Response to the ICANN Staff Sub Pro ODP team in relation to the effect of Implementation Guidance.  This is from the GNSO Council Response to Question
 Set #6  (not #4 as I had thought.)  Hopefully this Response from Council is helpful generally on the topic of variation from Implementation Guidance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue">"In short, implementation guidance remains a strong recommendation as opposed to a<br>
requirement. As referenced in the Preamble to the Sub Pro Final Report, ICANN should<br>
specify any “circumstances where there may be valid reasons not to take such guidance exactly<br>
as described…” In such circumstances, Council believes that consultation with the IRT, the<br>
Guidance Process Team, or the Council itself (e.g. via a request for GNSO Input) is in order<br>
prior to the adoption of alternatives to the specified Implementation Guidance. In all cases, the<br>
implementation should be accomplished in a manner that achieves the objectives laid out in the<br>
implementation guidance even if the mechanism of implementation differs slightly from that<br>
contained in the final report."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:15 AM Next Round Policy Implementation <<a href="mailto:NextRound_PolicyImplementation@icann.org">NextRound_PolicyImplementation@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">The<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>recordings for<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>Meeting #25<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>of the SubPro
 IRT held on<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 23 January 2024 at<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>13:00-14:00<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>UTC<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>are
 published<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span>on the<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/WYPxDg" target="_blank" title="https://community.icann.org/x/bpOZDg">meeting
 wiki page</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">These include:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Attendance<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m4268253947299239722msolistparagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Audio recording<o:p></o:p></li><li class="m4268253947299239722msolistparagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Zoom recording (including audio, visual, rough transcript, chat)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="color:black">For additional information, you may consult the<span class="m4268253947299239722apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/subpro-irt/" target="_blank" title="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/subpro-irt/">mailing
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<span style="color:black">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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