Corrections of for CN entries

Anthony Fok anthony at
Fri Dec 14 03:31:10 UTC 2001

Hello Paul,

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:48:11PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
> Thanks for your careful analyis.  Some comments:
> > 
> > the term "Eastern Turkestan" refers to the historic name of the
> > region, as a country, when it was outside China's rule for brief
> > periods in history.
> OK, sorry, then I misunderstood the boundaries.  As far as I know,
> though, the region was not controlled by China until after the Manchus
> conquered it in 1759, so it was independent (or anarchic :-) for more
> than just "brief periods".

To be honest, I didn't know the boundaries either until I came across
sites like:

on which Eastern Turkestan and Tibet are both shown as individual
countries separate from China, and Eastern Turkestan appears to cover the
entire Xinjiang.  And than I discovered that Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous
Region is the entire Xinjiang, not just part of it.  (I didn't know that. 

The region has been ruled by China in some previous dynasties AFAIK. Might
have been part of China during the Tang Dynasty and Yuan (Mongol) Dynasty.
But yes, I was oversimplifying when I wrote "outside China's rule for brief
periods".  I should go read it up when I have time.  (My excuse is that I
left for Canada to study from Grade 9 until graduating from university, so
my knowledge in Chinese history and geography is lacking.  :-)

> > 	west Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (Eastern Turkestan), China
> Wow, that's quite a mouthful.  How about just "southwest Xinjiang"
> instead?  That's shorter.

Sure, that sounds good.  :-)

> > I have also changed "Macao" to "Macau".  Why?  :-)
> >   1. Macau is the official name (in both English and Portuguese).
> >      See, for example.
> >   2. On recent trips to Macau, I can no longer find any signs that say
> >      "Macao".
> >   3. ISO 3166 says MO = Macau in English;  MO = Macao in French.
> >   4. On Google,  Macau: 810000 hits;  Macao: 311000 hits.
> Sounds good; thanks.

Thanks!  :-)

> > +CN	+3114+12128	Asia/Shanghai	Beijing, Shanghai, Guangdong, and most eastern locations in China
> > +CN	+4545+12641	Asia/Harbin	northeast China - Heilongjiang
> > +CN	+2934+10635	Asia/Chongqing	central China - Gansu, Guangdong, Guizhou, Ningxia, Shaanxi, Sichuan, Yunnan, etc.
> > +CN	+4348+08735	Asia/Urumqi	Tibet (Xizang) & most of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Regions, China
> > +CN	+3929+07559	Asia/Kashgar	west Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (Eastern Turkestan), China
> Hmm, that can't be right: you've got Guangdong in two different zones.

Oops!  Yes, I meant "Guangxi" (i.e. the "Guang West" instead of Guangdong
for "Guang East".  Mea culpa))

> How about something like this instead?  I'll try to see if I can come
> up with a more complete list of provinces, but I don't want the
> comments field to be so large that 'tzselect' produces confusing
> output.

That's true.  :-)

> CN	+3114+12128	Asia/Shanghai	east China - Beijing, Guangdong, Shanghai, etc.
> CN	+4545+12641	Asia/Harbin	Heilongjiang
> CN	+2934+10635	Asia/Chongqing	central China - Gansu, Guizhou, Sichuan, Yunnan, etc.

If you prefer, you could put Guangxi back in there, if not too long.  :-)

> CN	+4348+08735	Asia/Urumqi	Tibet & most of Xinjiang
> CN	+3929+07559	Asia/Kashgar	southwest Xinjiang

Thank you very much for your help!  :-)

Best regards,


Anthony Fok Tung-Ling
ThizLinux Laboratory   <anthony at>
Debian Chinese Project <foka at>
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