mark.davis at jtcsv.com
Tue Jun 14 16:34:50 UTC 2005
Yes, I think part of the issue is that the TZIDs are centered around cities,
and for countries that span continents or have overseas positions, the
cities may be in different continents than the 'main' country.
BTW, we regen'ed the containment list, adding as a 5th column the TZIDs.
----- Original Message -----
From: <peter.verthez at alcatel.be>
To: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis at jtcsv.com>
Cc: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive at demon.net>; <tz at lecserver.nci.nih.gov>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 23:50
Subject: Re: Multi-timezone clock
> I still feel more comfortable with the top level of the TZIDs.
> The most clear example for me is the situation with Russia:
> at the one hand you have Europe/Moscow which is clearly felt to
> be in Europe, at the other hand there is e.g. Asia/Kamchatka, which
> should not be shown in Europe at all.
> So, at the very least, the data of CLDR and the TZID top level needs
> to be combined to avoid duplicate entries in a UI.
> Mark Davis wrote:
> > I would tend to agree on the NSEW split that the UN has, for some cases,
> > particular for Europe. Looking at
> > http://www.unicode.org/cldr/data/diff/supplemental/supplemental.html,
> > example, they put the UK and Latvia in Northern Europe, while some might
> > the UK in Western and Latvia in Eastern.
> > On the other hand, where someone did want to have a more manageable
> > hierarchy of shorter lists in their UI, it might be a reasonable choice
> > start with the UN list. There is nothing to prevent a UI from using
> > territory containments. For example, one might list Turkey under both
> > and Europe, so that it would appear in both lists.
> > Mark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive at demon.net>
> > To: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis at jtcsv.com>
> > Cc: <peter.verthez at alcatel.be>; <tz at lecserver.nci.nih.gov>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 09:14
> > Subject: Re: Multi-timezone clock
> >>Mark Davis said:
> >>>I'm not saying that one should necessarily use all the levels of
> > containment. It depends on other aspects of the UI. The 2nd level of the
> > tree is actually reasonably close to the top level TZID arrangement.
> >>> Europe 
> >>> Eastern Europe 
> >>> Northern Europe 
> >>> Southern Europe 
> >>> Western Europe 
> >>I note that you are just copying the UN data, but that split into North,
> >>South, East, and West Europe bears almost no relation to anything that
> >>anyone uses in reality.
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