[tz] [PATCH 0/1] Add Asia/Beijing
James M Leddy
james.leddy at canonical.com
Mon Aug 13 20:17:51 UTC 2012
On 08/13/2012 04:00 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:49 PM, James M Leddy wrote:
>> I know this is a controversial topic, but I've been asked to submit
>> this, and have decided to do so for a few reasons:
>> * We'll stop getting questions of why Beijing Time is not included.
>> * People that want to ship their own modified version of tzdata can
>> take this patch.
>> * The common proposed fix is that we should be using "human
>> presentable" names and have a mapping from these names to the
>> actual timezones. Since that proposal, indeed since the inception
>> of desktop Linux/Unix, no one (as far as I know) has actually done
>> this, leading to continued confusion from users.
>> * I've seen it argued that we have to keep the the database pristine,
>> yet the bar for entry does not actually seem that high. For
>> example, we have a link from the Vatican to Rome, even though it
>> should be pretty obvious that they're the same time zone. And we
>> have a Link for people that can't seem to figure out if Nicosia is
>> in Europe or Asia.
>> * This really does seem to confuse users. "Eastern Time" includes
>> both Washington, D.C. and New York City. The justification is that
>> we never added Washington to the list, so we shouldn't add
>> Beijing. But this is really not a fair comparison. It's called
>> "Beijing Time". I'm sure if ET was called "Washington Time", it
>> would at least give me pause to select New York time, even though
>> I'm a New Yorker. No one gets confused that they have to pick New
>> York, or Madrid instead of Barcelona, so that argument doesn't hold
> So if we adopt this, how many thousand additional patches like this will we have to adopt as well?
Little to none, as far as I can tell. The criteria are:
* The timezone is named after a city, one that's already not in zone.tab
* The naming confuses users, to the point that they keep trying to
click on the map closer to Beijing to get the timezone, and
repeatedly bring it up on mailing-lists/bugzillas.
* The change affects 1.3 billion people [possibly not a valid criterion]
It's interesting that you were the first to respond, because Dell is one
of the OEM's requesting us to change it :)
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