[tz] -00:00
Alan Barrett
apb at cequrux.com
Thu Jun 7 06:45:12 UTC 2012
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
>Zefram <zefram at fysh.org> writes:
>> Speaking of this, did anyone else notice that
>
>> (a) ISO 8601 requires a zero offset to be denoted with a "+" sign,
>> forbidding "-00" (ISO 8601:2000 clause 5.1.1 or ISO 8601:2004 clause
>> 3.4.2), and
Since ISO 8601 is not freely available (or at least was not freely
available years ago), and the freely-available summaries did not
mention this, no, I had not noticed.
>> (b) RFC 3339 is supposedly a profile of ISO 8601, and
>
>> (c) RFC 3339 *does* allow "-00", denoting the same offset as "+00",
>> but connoting that it's not specifying a preferred offset?
>
>This convention didn't originate from RFC 3339. It comes from RFC 2822
>(published April 2001 but in progress long, long before that):
>
> The form "+0000" SHOULD be used to indicate a time zone at Universal
> Time. Though "-0000" also indicates Universal Time, it is used to
> indicate that the time was generated on a system that may be in a local
> time zone other than Universal Time and therefore indicates that the
> date-time contains no information about the local time zone.
I think that RFC 2822 got that from a convention that was first
advocated by Dan Bernstein in 1996. The oldest references
that I was easily able to find are from March 1996:
A message from djb at koobera.math.uic.edu (D. J. Bernstein)
to the DRUMS mailing list (which was working on what became RFC
2822): <http://notabug.com/2002/drums-archive/1320>
The time shown MUST be the sender's local time. Exception: the
zone -0000 indicates that the local time is unavailable or
meaningless, and that the time shown is the actual time. (In
contrast, the zone +0000 indicates that the time shown is both
local time and actual time.)
and an entry in the qmail CHANGES file
<http://www.qmail.org/netqmail/CHANGES>:
19960325 change: time zone is now -0000 instead of +0000. encouraging
DRUMS to use this as an i-don't-know-the-local-time indicator.
--apb (Alan Barrett)
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