[tz] Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel

Aaron Brown asb110273 at gmail.com
Tue May 7 20:37:00 UTC 2013

I don't think it's relevant what the rest of the world thinks. If
everyone in Jerusalem agrees on one reality, and everyone outside
Jerusalem agrees on a different reality, then it would be logical to
go with the reality that is agreed upon by those in Jerusalem. It
matters what time people in Jerusalem think it is, what time their
clocks show, not what time people at the UN or Washington DC think it
should be. If the people in Jerusalem can't agree on the time, that is
one thing, but it would seem that what people outside of Jerusalem
think is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

During WWII, Hitler imposed German time on the land he conquered.
Japan did the same in Asia. If this happened today and the UN
condemned these acts of aggression and declared them illegal, should
we then ignore the realities on the ground and continue to insist on
the "original" time zones, even if they aren't being used any more in


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, David Patte ₯ <dpatte at relativedata.com> wrote:
> This issue is very different than the Falklands, Taiwan, or Tibet, or Quebec
> or Texas for that matter. The SIGNIFICANT difference here is that world
> bodies that are mandated to decide on such political issues have ALREADY
> come to a decision on this - Jerusalem is not part of Israel, Israel's
> declaration is 'null and void'. And since that time, no country recognizes
> Jerusalem as part of Israel.
> Perhaps, because of your distate for politics, you may have missed that
> point. Listing Jerusalem as part of Israel has ALREADY been rejected by
> everyone; save Israel and the tz database.
> By leaving the database as is, the tz database is, inadvertantly or not,
> making a political statement - an extreme one, and one contrary to world
> concensus.
> On 2013-05-06 15:22, Paul_Koning at dell.com wrote:
>> NO!  The TZ process is NOT a political process.  I strongly object to any
>> of these attempts to make it so.
>> There are a whole lot of political issues in the world.  This one is
>> merely one of them, perhaps better known than some others for reasons I will
>> not discuss here (because I'm writing in a technical forum, not a political
>> one).  But if we get suckered into making changes for this one, we may next
>> get into a debate about the Falkland Islands, Taiwan, or any number of other
>> places that some politicians disagree about.
>> Again, I do not want any part of that sort of nonsense.  It has no place
>> in a technical group such as the TZ project.
>>         paul
> --

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