[tz] [PATCH] Replace some zones with links when that doesn't lose useful info.
tz at derickrethans.nl
Thu Jul 10 15:41:19 UTC 2014
On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> On 9 July 2014 16:16, Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
> > Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> >> As we have discussed before, changes like this are disruptive to
> >> many people. The LMT and early time values are used out there,
> >> irrespective of their accuracy.
> > It was discussed at some length, and to some extent we're just
> > repeating that discussion now. There's one thing new, though: we
> > now have had significant practical experience. The earlier set of
> > changes along these lines was published in release 2013e
> > (2013-09-19), and it hasn't caused significant disruption in the
> > field. In practice it seems that end users don't much care about
> > things like the time zone of Guadeloupe in 1899 -- which is probably
> > a good thing, since the pre-2013e database was wrong anyway.
> Well it seems that you're going to make the change no matter what, so
> talking about it does feel rather futile. Its no surprise that
> changing relatively minor locations results in few issues. Nor is it a
> surprise that this list wouldn't hear of any issues, because its so
> far from end users. I can guarantee that the data you have and are
> planning to destroy is in somebodies database somewhere as both
> Joda-Time and Java SE 8 expose the full data right back to and
> including LMT to all users for all zones.
> As I said last time, the issue isn't removing wrong values, its about
> replacing them with even more wrong ones. The LMT values in
> particular, which used to have some meaning, now do not. If you had
> proposed an alternate way to define LMT values (which were based on
> the actual city location) then I might be less frustrated. Instead we
> are back to taking a sledgehammer to data that wasn't causing anyone
> any harm, replacing it with data that is clearly worse.
Let me just voice my agreement to this statement.
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