[tz] URL to get lz file
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tz.kovacsbv at spamgourmet.com
Tue Sep 20 16:29:30 UTC 2016
Hi, I'm trying to get the .lz file and the link in git (
https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g) is
ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-latest.tar.lz
But I browsed in there (ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz
<ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-latest.tar.lz>) and there seems to be no
.lz file.
Vic Kovacs
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> 1. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> 2. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
> (Alexander Belopolsky)
> 3. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
> (Alexander Belopolsky)
> 4. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
> (Alexander Belopolsky)
> 5. Re: [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball (Random832)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:24:51 -0700
> From: Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com>
> To: Russ Allbery <eagle at eyrie.org>
> Cc: Time zone mailing list <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> As far as I can tell, lzip is only used on Linux. There are no tools that
> ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that can decode it.
>
> Adopting lzip as the primary format at this point seems like a statement
> that only Linux matters.
>
> Debbie
>
> > On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Russ Allbery <eagle at eyrie.org> wrote:
> >
> > Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com> writes:
> >
> >> Maybe we should wait until lzip is widely available before adopting it?
> >
> >> Meanwhile, bzip2 is already widely adopted, and is smaller than gzip.
> >
> > My impression is that bzip2 is dying and offers no great advantages at
> > this point. Those who are looking for the best compression are using
> > either xz or lzip. Those who care primarily about backward compatibility
> > are using gzip. bzip2 is falling between those two stools: it's much
> > newer than gzip and not as widely-supported, and it's larger (and I think
> > slower to decompress although I could be wrong) than either xz or lzip.
> >
> > I would not introduce bzip2 into anything that wasn't already using it at
> > this point.
> >
> > I think the current plan is a good one: stick with gzip for the
> supported,
> > stable distribution, add an experimental distribution that can play
> around
> > with compression and contents, and worry later (possibly much later)
> about
> > when the stable distribution might be worth changing. At some point,
> gzip
> > will probably go the way of compress, but we're not there yet. (It will
> > probably take longer than the replacement of compress with gzip took,
> > since there aren't patent issues driving the matter the way that there
> > were for compress.)
> >
> > --
> > Russ Allbery (eagle at eyrie.org) <
> http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:42:46 -0400
> From: Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com>
> To: Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com>
> Cc: Time zone mailing list <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There are no tools that ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that
> > can decode it.
> >
>
> Neither of those systems come with a compiler out of the box either. On
> MacOS, it takes less than 1.5 seconds to install lzip:
>
> $ time brew install lzip
> ==> Downloading
> https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> Already downloaded:
> /Users/a/Library/Caches/Homebrew/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> ==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> ? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K
>
> real 0m1.124s
> user 0m0.646s
> sys 0m0.537s
>
> If you have trouble unpacking .tar.lz files - just point your browser to
>
> https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g
>
> and get whatever individual files you need.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:47:15 -0400
> From: Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com>
> To: Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com>
> Cc: Time zone mailing list <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Alexander Belopolsky <
> alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > If you have trouble unpacking .tar.lz files - just point your browser to
> >
> > https://github.com/eggert/tz/tree/2016g
> >
>
> BTW,
>
> $ wget https://github.com/eggert/tz/archive/2016g.zip
>
> will download all files in a .zip archive.
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> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:51:09 -0400
> From: Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com>
> To: Deborah Goldsmith <goldsmit at apple.com>
> Cc: Time zone mailing list <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Alexander Belopolsky <
> alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > $ time brew install lzip
> > ==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/
> bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.
> > bottle.tar.gz
> > Already downloaded: /Users/a/Library/Caches/
> Homebrew/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.
> > bottle.tar.gz
> > ==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> > ? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K
> >
> > real 0m1.124s
> >
>
> Sorry, my timing was off because I already had the source cached. With
> downloading, it takes about 1.8s:
>
> $ time brew install lzip
> ==> Downloading
> https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> ############################################################
> ############################################################
> #######################
> 100.0%
> ==> Pouring lzip-1.18.el_capitan.bottle.tar.gz
> ? /usr/local/Cellar/lzip/1.18: 9 files, 166.4K
>
> real 0m1.885s
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:56:58 -0400
> From: Random832 <random832 at fastmail.com>
> To: tz at iana.org
> Subject: Re: [tz] [PROPOSED PATCH 2/2] Use lz format for new tarball
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 11:24, Deborah Goldsmith wrote:
> > As far as I can tell, lzip is only used on Linux. There are no tools that
> > ship with macOS or Windows (out of the box) that can decode it.
>
> Doesn't ship with "Linux" out of the box, either. At least, on my
> machine it's not present and I've done nothing special to exclude it...
> Ubuntu has a half dozen packages for different versions of it (most of
> which seem to be in "universe" rather than the main distribution), with
> no clear guidance on which one I should want to install. [It's clear
> enough, to be fair, what the actual differences between them *are*, but
> it's not clear if these differences have any impact on performance or
> not, and overall I'm completely mystified at the decision to *package*
> them.]
>
> > Adopting lzip as the primary format at this point seems like a statement
> > that only Linux matters.
>
> While it seems to be a bit bleeding-edge, I don't see how it's less so
> for Linux than for other operating systems. Also I don't see why a
> "primary" format means that only platforms supporting that format, 'out
> of the box' or otherwise, matter, while other distribution formats are
> still fully supported. Seems like it creates a bit of a chicken-and-egg
> dilemma towards ever migrating anyone to new formats.
>
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