[tz] Irish Standard Time vs Irish Summer Time
Michael H Deckers
michael.h.deckers at googlemail.com
Sat Dec 9 19:01:31 UTC 2017
On 2017-12-09 14:00, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote:
> I'm not quite sure what the motivation for such a potentially
> destabilizing change its. If the only purpose is to call one of the
> two times "Irish Standard Time" and the other "GMT", then that seems a
> simple matter of changing the naming, not other changes to the data.
>
I think you raise an important point here.
The proposal at hand has as its (only observable)
effect that the dst bit is set to 1 during Irish
winter time (UTC), and 0 during Irish standard time
(UTC + 01 h).
Taken together with all the other cases (where the dst
bit value 1 indicates daylight saving or summer time
as opposed to standard time) this implies that the
semantics of the dst bit would be:
The dst bit is set to 1 while the time
scale differs from what is considered
to be standard time for the time zone, such
as when daylight saving time or summer time
is used.
That is a perfectLy possible semantics --
but it just is not the semantics currently
described with the tzdb releases. In fact,
the current description conforms with
the tm_isdst bit defined in the international
standards for the C language and for POSIX from
1989 until today for the tm_isdst member of
struct tm:
The value of tm_isdst shall be positive if Daylight Savings Time
is in effect, 0 if Daylight Savings Time is not in effect, and
negative if the information is not available."
(Note the spurious s after saving!) For instance,
in newctime we read:
Tm_isdst is non-zero if summer time is in effect.
Thus, the current definition of the dst bit
of a time zone time scale appears to be:
The dst bit is set to 1 while the time
scale represents daylight saving time or
summer time.
Of course one can change the current definition --
but in this case we should make an explicit
decision to do so, after considering all
the effects of such a change, and we also should
make sure that the change is consistently documented
in all the interfaces specified by tzdb.
This is a design question, not just the question of
whether a particular patch is OK.
Michael Deckers.
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